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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.06.10 12:55:00 -
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Anyone else getting worse performance since Hardware Upgrade?
Since I logged on yesterday until now, I've had consistant lag and been booted a few times. I've almost always had seemless performance in the past. Been booted a handful of times but with very little noticable lag. Now it's very consistant. I was just on and was getting some very odd issues. While fighting rats, I could fire weaps, but not reload them. I wasn't even getting the "it will take 10 secs" message. Yes, I had ammo to load. After significant lag, I was able to warp away.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" |
Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 14:22:08
Since hardware upgrades the server has given me performance increases in almost every aspect of gameplay. I think this is the best day in Eve since retail (besides retail itself).
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Faithless
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:30:00 -
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I did notice increased lag myself, something i didnt have before the upgrade. More frozen screens than before, it could be me, but i hear other people saying the same.
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Rogue 1690
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:30:00 -
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My performance is well improved no lag at all 
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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:31:00 -
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Well that's encouraging. At this point getting loot out of cans is a challenge it's so bad.
One thing that scares me, is browsing speed seems just fine.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" |
Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:45:00 -
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I was booted several times aswell. I had a wierd runtime error and had 2 CTD¦s today in 1 hour. Never happend to me that much after a patch or hardware upgrade.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: cashman on 10/06/2004 13:51:25
I'm stuck in jumping process. Have been booted to login 1 time already.
Unstuck now
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Gryffyn
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:50:00 -
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Im getting much better performance for forum browsing and in game. Though, I have just got dropped from play due to a 'server node' closing down.
Minor teething problems I would expect. Pity we cannot give more exact feedback to the devs about any errors, through error messages given to us.
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OrbitalEffect
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:54:00 -
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No problems here - very smooth and the market seemed to come up faster as well.
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Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2004.06.10 14:33:00 -
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I've seen improvements in all aspects, except I had a BS attached to my shuttle last night. 
Check us out
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.06.10 14:43:00 -
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My first impressions is that everything seems to be running better than anytime during the six months I've been playing. Maybe there's trouble with some particular node that's causing your problems, since it doesn't seem to be global.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.06.10 14:56:00 -
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that's starting to look likely. i was also experiencing some chop, from EDT... are regions bound to a given node cluster, or might anyone connect thru anything?
I believe it's the former, so maybe it will turn out most affected people are in a similar region...
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Maidel
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Posted - 2004.06.10 15:23:00 -
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been running fine for me - and it only took about 20seconds to log on last nite - with 3000 other ppl - normally that sort of mass log on would take about 4 minutes
'Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravager, wrecking for 554.6 damage. - they do work occationally' |
Sajuuk Cor
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Posted - 2004.06.10 16:57:00 -
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I've taken a considerable performance hit since the upgrade.
Not sure what is causing it.. I just don't like it. 
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Ariela
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Posted - 2004.06.10 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ariela on 10/06/2004 17:06:30
 Originally by: Sajuuk Cor
I've taken a considerable performance hit since the upgrade.
Not sure what is causing it.. I just don't like it.
Ditto
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Gerome Doutrande
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Posted - 2004.06.10 17:11:00 -
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somewhat laggy for me too, same reports from corpmates in the uk and usa.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2004.06.10 17:31:00 -
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We're checking the 32 new nodes, we see some node crashes there, that causes CTD's (In some cases with intense lage before crash). Investigating.
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.06.10 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
We're checking the 32 new nodes, we see some node crashes there, that causes CTD's (In some cases with intense lage before crash). Investigating.
Good to hear 
I got for the first time today the thing where one's ship seems to jump but had to wait several minutes for it to start to load the other side
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Tophereon
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Posted - 2004.06.10 18:02:00 -
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Been great until 2mins ago. Server Node went offline. I'm back on but verything is wobbling all over the place!! lol
Toph.
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.06.10 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Harlequin
that's starting to look likely. i was also experiencing some chop, from EDT... are regions bound to a given node cluster, or might anyone connect thru anything?
I believe it's the former, so maybe it will turn out most affected people are in a similar region...
I think all users connect through one proxy, and behind that the solarsystems are distributed over a number of SOL nodes (Oveur said 32 are new, so I guess the total is more than that )
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.06.10 18:44:00 -
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I had crashes too an dlag, wich i never had before. Good to hear CCP is after it Ovuer thanks for informing us.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.06.10 18:57:00 -
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The forums are way sluggish as well.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:08:36
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 19:04:26
double post
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
We're checking the 32 new nodes, we see some node crashes there, that causes CTD's (In some cases with intense lage before crash). Investigating.
I advise you give your tech-staff a very good beating... 30mins of -Entering Space- and a petition that hasnt been sorted yet...
The technicial staff that were assisting you yesterday should have been able to ensure these problems werent able to arrise, but here we are again, another day of no playing eve... it is becoming more and more often now, while some nodes are 110% others are shutting down and causing havok everywhere.
I would assume, as you are paying for IBM technical help, then you complain to their senior management in response to the node difficulty... experts are meant to assume the worst will happen, it seems this time they flew through everything.
Regards
A Very Annoyed Aneu Angellus
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Asfa
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:12:00 -
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Quote:
1) Why did you use IBM? Their prices are outrageous compared to their performance. 35thousand for your sql servers? Why not pay 10 thousand for one you built yourself using like a tyan motherboard for $2000 (They have really good dual processor motherboards with higher RAM capacity) and the best possible RAM you can buy say Micron Crucial ECC. You would of effectively got more performance for less money and would have the same IO thoroughput with Ultra SCSI and PCI Express and not had to pay for IBM and gotten higher mhz's on the RAM for an example.
Just because you can do a thing does not mean you should do that thing.
1) Servers for this kind of application are not something you want to just put together from spare parts. Not to mention that IBM is extremely good at providing support - this is what makes them worth what you have to pay.
2) I would much rather the CCP staff concentrate on game design, not server design (not at all the same thing).
Just my .02 ISK.
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Exarch
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:12:00 -
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ive had a couple ctd in essence region, and im stuck in Parts now.
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EagleFour
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:19:00 -
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To the above questions about IBM
Total cost of ownership, they get warranty and support from IBM. IBM will replace the stuff if its broke, who pays for it when you built it yourself... You do. And unless you buy in bulk i doubt your gonna save that much money. I prefer dells myself from a server standpoint, but thats just me i build all my personal stuff too.
JOBS - Got Moin?
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:23:00 -
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Can't even log in at the moment. Stuck at authenticating. Same problem as the night before the hardware upgrade. Total lag and breakdown of the server.
Was looking good earlier today though, except for 1 node crash. But currently it's almost worse than ever.
FileCop AI of MASS
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: FileCop AI
Can't even log in at the moment. Stuck at authenticating. Same problem as the night before the hardware upgrade. Total lag and breakdown of the server.
Was looking good earlier today though, except for 1 node crash. But currently it's almost worse than ever.
I think the whole southern node tree has died...
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Heritor
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:25:00 -
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Eve for me is really slow I keep getting roids and all sorts of things stuck to my ship.
The forum is also very slow 
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:09:07
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: FileCop AI on 10/06/2004 19:29:47
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
I think the whole southern node tree has died...
Might be true. Seems better now. Logged in but experiencing lag.
Just got a notice about server reboot, so it's not just for me ;)
FileCop AI of MASS
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:28:00 -
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"A server node you were using has gone offline., "
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:10:09
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Origim
"A server node you were using has gone offline., "
When will CCP learn that they need to have more plug-sockets... i mean sheesh, nodes going down every time they need a cup of coffee isnt a good thing...
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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EagleFour
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:32:00 -
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Thank god im at work now, but i must say. Eve is a whole new game to me. I used to complain a lot about everything. But when i came back after ENB bought the farm, i was taken back by the changes for the good and the stability with which it runs now. Very nice, and it is kind of cool because it feels like a whole new game with me.
Since the upgrade it really seems to me that im gating faster and transitioning. I didnt see any lag probs and my prim machine is a phat handbuilt but my hauler uses a 400mhz P3 with a 32 mb geforce 2 video card. it impresses me everyday because i can actually fight rats on it if the need arises. This you could not do at ENB
CCP definetly deserves the award for graphics, hats off to those.
From a player standpoint it seems like the community has matured a great deal since i left and are treating it more like a game than a real life event. The changes have probably fostered this.
JOBS - Got Moin?
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Warsawa
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Warsawa on 10/06/2004 19:42:06
Originally by: Oveur
I am eager to hear the exact specifications on the new upgrades so I can further critique it with mathematical facts and just general computer knowledges. Any chance on answering the questions?
LMAO....
Fibre Channel hooked via PCI to a Tyan mother board....
Oh god stop it hurts.... your killing me...
Your either one of the best comedians I've ever met, or a complete idiot.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:11:21
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 20:29:52
Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 20:27:47
Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 20:03:13
double post.
Just to give you some ideas.
Asus dual xeon motherboard(superior)
Tyans are for quadruple processor motherboards and in my opinion are the best ive found.
Tyans four processor motherboards
Now what CCP are currently using in their respected order from two processor servers to the 4 processor one.
IBMS dual processor server setup(What CCP uses right now)
IBMS 4 processor server setup(What CCP is using right now also)
Please enlighten me to how IBMS are better? And what doesnt the others offer that are better?
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Torlek
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:49:00 -
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Indeed...
Eve insider, Eve forums, are making like I'm on a 14.4k modem instread of a 2mb broadband connection. I waited well over 2min for a thread to load :( Eve itself, not that bad, noticed a fair bit of lag and long login times but not been knocked offline yet.
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Daald
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Posted - 2004.06.10 20:37:00 -
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To Sinist:
I am going to try to answer your questions. First of all I would like to say that I used to think like you and I would not believe what anyone would tell me to the contrary. I mean, crap, I have a computer science degree...give me the tools and I can build the freaking computer up from the transistor level. (I am not trying to imply anything about you here...just my noobish attitude when I entered the industry)
There are several rules in business. I think that the two most important ones that apply here are:
1- Stick to your core business.
2- Reduce your risks by passing them on others (insurance, warranty, collateral etc)
If you are a development house/investment bank/car manufacturer , you don't want or care what the underlying infrastructure is like. You want to give specs as to how it should perform and someone just runs to do it. You don't want to hear any crap that arises from it. You basically say, I want a product that does this and it is given to you. Do you want to be a law firm, (insert core business here) and a computer manufacturing firm just because you use computers?
If something breaks down, you don't want to hire engineers to fix. You might have the skill set inhouse but you don't want them to waste time on something that you don't really care about. You want to produce your product. Why should you have to worry about it? So you pay someone some money and they will take care of it for you.
Now, do you want to pay 3 people from down the street with possibly 60 years of IT experience total or a global firm with thousands of years of total IT experience? Which is less risky? Which one will give you the better deal (Remember..don't just look at upfront cost...you need to figure out lifetime cost)?
Now, as to why they chose IBM:
1- Someone at CCP has a fetish for IBM equipment, sleeps with someone at IBM sales dept, wants to create HAL...who knows.
2- Most likely that they shopped, and IBM gave them the best deal for TCO and future expandability if their business grows(adaptive pricing model).
Ok...I babbled long enough. Hope I at least shed some light into the thought process.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:08:00
Edited bc this post is mute.
IBM rocks. Eve Rocks. Hardware upgrades make Eve alot better.
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Daald
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Posted - 2004.06.10 20:58:00 -
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Sinister,
I'm sorry you misunderstood my words and for sounding preachy.
Please disregard them.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:04:00 -
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much better ingame performance here, but the EO site seems to be much worse.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Daald
To Sinist:
I am going to try to answer your questions. First of all I would like to say that I used to think like you and I would not believe what anyone would tell me to the contrary. I mean, crap, I have a computer science degree...give me the tools and I can build the freaking computer up from the transistor level. (I am not trying to imply anything about you here...just my noobish attitude when I entered the industry)
There are several rules in business. I think that the two most important ones that apply here are:
1- Stick to your core business.
2- Reduce your risks by passing them on others (insurance, warranty, collateral etc)
If you are a development house/investment bank/car manufacturer , you don't want or care what the underlying infrastructure is like. You want to give specs as to how it should perform and someone just runs to do it. You don't want to hear any crap that arises from it. You basically say, I want a product that does this and it is given to you. Do you want to be a law firm, (insert core business here) and a computer manufacturing firm just because you use computers?
If something breaks down, you don't want to hire engineers to fix. You might have the skill set inhouse but you don't want them to waste time on something that you don't really care about. You want to produce your product. Why should you have to worry about it? So you pay someone some money and they will take care of it for you.
Now, do you want to pay 3 people from down the street with possibly 60 years of IT experience total or a global firm with thousands of years of total IT experience? Which is less risky? Which one will give you the better deal (Remember..don't just look at upfront cost...you need to figure out lifetime cost)?
Now, as to why they chose IBM:
1- Someone at CCP has a fetish for IBM equipment, sleeps with someone at IBM sales dept, wants to create HAL...who knows.
2- Most likely that they shopped, and IBM gave them the best deal for TCO and future expandability if their business grows(adaptive pricing model).
Ok...I babbled long enough. Hope I at least shed some light into the thought process.
Ok I felt I needed to go into a little more depth here for you.
"1- Stick to your core business."
CCP are computer software game developers. Running and maintenaning a game server is part of their life. Ill touch on this a little more later in this post.
"2- Reduce your risks by passing them on others (insurance, warranty, collateral etc)"
What insurance is involved? Warranties are guaranteed with computer hardware companies. And collateral well im not sure how this would apply to CCP and them buying Servers.
"If you are a development house/investment bank/car manufacturer , you don't want or care what the underlying infrastructure is like. You want to give specs as to how it should perform and someone just runs to do it. You don't want to hear any crap that arises from it. You basically say, I want a product that does this and it is given to you. Do you want to be a law firm, (insert core business here) and a computer manufacturing firm just because you use computers?"
First picking out server hardware and setting it up is something easy. It does not involve extra knowledges apart from your own computer you are using right now. Maybe an extra cable or a few configurations, but this is what manufacturer manuals are for. CCP are software programmers. Im 99% sure they are capable of putting together a computer. And well there is no reason why the people they hired couldnt do it by themselves. If the hardware fails then you send it back, if your smart you have redundancy. There is nothing hard about this and if you can program a computer this knowledge is almost guaranteed to you already I would hope.
"If something breaks down, you don't want to hire engineers to fix. You might have the skill set inhouse but you don't want them to waste time on something that you don't really care about. You want to produce your product. Why should you have to worry about it? So you pay someone some money and they will take care of it for you."
Waste time on something? They have their CCP server engies. If something breaks its broken. You cant reverse engineer hardware. There is no taking it apart and putting it together. IF a motherboard is fried you need a new one. If a harddrive is dead you need a new one. If a fan is broke you need a new one. If the RAM burnt out you need new RAM. IF a cable is loose or the connecters are screwed you need new cable or you splice it again. This is elementary level stuff and is something I actually learned in high school at computer science class which I was fortunate enough to have built my entire network for my school. For every piece of hardware you have a test you can run on that hardware to affectively and deductively figure out what is broke.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:14:00 -
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Or alternatavly they are just outsourced completely to IBM, due to their cutting edge requirments...
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Daald
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:21:00 -
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Sinist,
One last thing and lets just let it go.
I'm not trying to say which way is right. I am just trying to show you the mindset and point of view of the person that made the decision.
Do you disagree with it? You should, after all we are not copies of each other, so why should we think the same.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:04:08
edited bc people think im arrogant.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:09:26
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Sonjeir
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:40:00 -
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My performance ingame and the boards are MUCH better after the upgrade no crashes, much less lag, etc.
Sorry you others are experiencing trouble.
My only question is why do all the "experts" come out and think they have all the answers to CCPs problems. Where are the games these people made, where are their companies compared with IBM, and if they know so freaking much about this stuff why aren't they world famous as being the server design guru of all time.
Fact is we do not know and likely will not know why they chose the servers they did, and no matter how awesome any of us think our PC skills or knowledge is, it is not going to change CCPs decsion to use IBM.
My suggestion to each of you that think you know so much better than CCP and IBM combined, is that you start a company and put IBM out of business then you design a game and put CCP out of business. If you can't do that for any reason what-so-ever then you should keep your biased opinions about the equipment they use to yourself.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:10:29
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Daald
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Posted - 2004.06.10 22:36:00 -
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LOL, I'm not an IBM Engineer, although looking back at my posts I can kinda see how that might be a conclusion.
The thing is that our whole conversation is moot.
We do not know what IBM did to get the contract with CCP. Look at it this way, what would change your mind about using IBM? Maybe they did just that with CCP :)
And now back to our regular scheduled programming.....
I do see a performance improvement in game. :)
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.06.10 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist
reached post limit there ill finish here.
What could they possible have to meet for further scalability? Their either going to need more motherbaords, cpu and ram combos or some newer or more fibre channel hardrives etc.
If IBM offers it tot hem for cheaper (which I doubt) then is that the best solution? No.
IF I donated CCP 100 1ghz computer with 3 gb of ram each and a fsb of 133 mhz for free. Does it make it the best solution? No. They might be able to host 1000 people but its gonna suck even though it was free.
Eve is massive. It is one persistant world in which thousands and thousands of people play. You need cutting edge technology not the IBM solution with their marketing stadegies and flowers. I undeisputable showed CCP proof that they could of gotten servers ALOT better for cheaper and with just as easy scalability and maintenance.
Cmon lets be serious if you asked me as one person to run your servers for you. I could do it. And if I had to guarantee uptime I could do it short of nuclear war(Emp mgiht screw up my servers). And you can get the best computing power the world has to offer. And cmon are CCP incabale of shopping? The world is one barter and I could of bought servers ALOT cheaper that are the absolute top of the line for what IBM gave you with money to spare. And I could run and maintain those servers as one person.
hmm... I think you are under estimating whatÆs involved in designing and deploying large scale enterprise class server solutions.
As for another one of your posts in which you were arguing that exchange rates were set by the "good will" of countries -LMAO.
You never did reply to my post.
Linkage - another field Sin Ist is an expert in :)
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:05:11
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Zeltar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 22:57:00 -
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I'm speechless to be honest. I was not aware people as arrogant as Sinist actually existed...
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:15:48
Rule #1, Dont post on forums unless you have to because you WILL be flamed. I have nothing to prove to you all, and CCP doesnt need advice on what hardware to buy for their servers.
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Zeltar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:09:00 -
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arÀroÀgant
adj.
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others
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"I am eager to hear the exact specifications on the new upgrades so I can further critique it with mathematical facts and just general computer knowledges." - Sinist
"If the need ever arose where I needed to design a server, I would know how to do it effortlessly. If somewhere in my game development I was at the point at where I needed to decide what hardware to buy I would know effortlessly. If i needed to setup this server I would know how to easily." - Sinist
"I would do it for free and I would do it just as good as you." - Sinist
Plus the general impression you give that you think CCP are a bunch of muppets who wouldn't know one end of a computer from the other.
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist
Lol. That isnt me. I of course was a beta tester and have played since day 1. I did a character whois and that person registered this year. Is even a half decent copy of my portrait. Name similarity also.
I cant say its a copy catter because not many people know me in this game. I do not have any personal enemies either. Maybe just someone seen me and liked me? I dunno I dont have a trademark on my character.
Ok.
Originally by: Sinist
But currency conversions are set between the governments of the world. The US dictates what other governments are worth in the United States and they dictate how much our money is worth to them. For example the Europeans think the EURO is better then the dollar, but the Europeans are the one who say their EURO is worth as much. *shrug* so its kind of a mute argument.
Spooky - But you sound just like Sin Ist
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:22:26
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:14:00 -
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Ok so now you have deleted your post, so it is you then?
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Arron on 10/06/2004 23:23:03
Originally by: Zeltar
arÀroÀgant
adj.
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others
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"I am eager to hear the exact specifications on the new upgrades so I can further critique it with mathematical facts and just general computer knowledges." - Sinist
"If the need ever arose where I needed to design a server, I would know how to do it effortlessly. If somewhere in my game development I was at the point at where I needed to decide what hardware to buy I would know effortlessly. If i needed to setup this server I would know how to easily." - Sinist
"I would do it for free and I would do it just as good as you." - Sinist
Plus the general impression you give that you think CCP are a bunch of muppets who wouldn't know one end of a computer from the other.
Zeltar you should add->
Originally by: Sinist
The world is one barter and I could of bought servers ALOT cheaper that are the absolute top of the line for what IBM gave you with money to spare. And I could run and maintain those servers as one person.
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Zeltar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:27:00 -
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You seem to believe that you could single handedly do a far better job of specifying, building and maintaining a server cluster than the whole of the CCP and IBM team put together, despite knowing very little about their requirements. THAT makes you arrogant.
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Zeltar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:31:00 -
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Okay, so Sinist appears to have removed all his posts, hopefully because he realised what a complete fool he was making of himself. I guess most of this thread now makes very little sense.
Ah well, time for bed.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:49:32
Originally by: Zeltar
You seem to believe that you could single handedly do a far better job of specifying, building and maintaining a server cluster than the whole of the CCP and IBM team put together, despite knowing very little about their requirements. THAT makes you arrogant.
I never said that. I said I know how to put together a computer. I know how to setup SCSI's and servers. I never said I could do it better. IBM is one of my favorite companies. I am using a IBM hardrive right now. The first ever computer I liked was my IBM computer (like the model before the pentium 1) and then my actual pentium 1 and then my pentium 2 was really good. Yes IBM made computer systems way back when and they were my favorite company. IBM's version of DOS owned.
Suggestions?: Maybe IBM can improve on their memory. PC2100 is over 3 years old. I actually use it in my computer as we speak and this computer is 3 years old. It has a mhz rating of 266. The newer memory types available are high as 333mhz. I know that the 366mhz models dont support ECC bc of the newer chipsets but maybe that could be something IBM could revolutionize.
So can I take 1 thing away from IBM? No. And yeah im an idiot but theoretically CCP maybe could of got a little extra performance had they went with a different motherboard solution and RAM, but maybe would of sacrificed the reliability and warranty IBM provides. Im confident in IBM though and I like CCP even more for using them. I cant deny my years and years of love for IBM.
My apologies and much <3 for CCP and IBM.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.06.11 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist
Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:04:08
edited bc people think im arrogant.
You say that like it's a bad thing? 
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Qwertyifshag
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Posted - 2004.06.11 01:21:00 -
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To get back on subject, the servers are running smmoth and fine now, TY CCP
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Vorax
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Posted - 2004.06.11 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Vorax on 11/06/2004 01:54:44
Edited by: Vorax on 11/06/2004 01:54:09
Not to add fuel to this fire to much, but Tyan boards only support upto 24 GB of RAM, that alone may have excluded them. With large database applications, such as EVE with its massive database and performance requirements, it simply may not have been enough. Raw CPU isn't everything, RAM access time isn't everything, nor is bus speed. The most common database bottleneck in enterprise sized databases is available RAM for caching and network speed, not CPU, RAM speed or bus speed. All things being equal or even not, a databas that can live in RAM will typically operate upto 10x times faster then one that is mostly on a drive. Also, fault protection, fault monitoring, failover capabilities, scalability, warranties, and support SLA's are very important, all of which IBM has in abundance.
Another guys 2cents.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.11 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 11/06/2004 02:35:59
Edited by: Sinist on 11/06/2004 02:34:06
Edited by: Sinist on 11/06/2004 02:30:19
Quote from CCP
"We will also upgrade the servers in our SQL cluster with 2 IBM xSeries 445 bricks. Each configured with 4 Intel Xeon 3.0GHz processors and 16GB of RAM."
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"In the second phase we will add a bunch of SOL application servers. They are IBM xSeries 335 all configured with 2 Intel Xeon 2.8GHz processors and 2.5GB of RAM."
To me their memory seems a bit on the minimum. Its great that they are using pc2100 ECC registered bc its my favorite memory and is the best in my opinion but they need more of it in my opinion. It couldnt hurt. When they support the registered memory for DDR3 then upgrade again.
I would probably assume this upgrade came at the time that PCI-X was released obviously and thats really good. Id like to see more memory though even if you dont think you need it. Would make me sleep better knowing Eve has adequate hardware. 
IBM is obviously more scalable then the TYAN for example, but the Tyan does theoretically offer better performance for what EVe is using currently (Under 24GB of RAM for their nodes). IBM is the superior right now, I just would like to see the memory scaled a bit(doubled).
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Vorax
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Posted - 2004.06.11 02:33:00 -
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Maybe it is 16 now, but they may want to have the option of 32 or 64 later, without having to buy all new hardware...again.
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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.06.11 12:46:00 -
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Still getting horrid performance here.
Lots of lag last night, and I just got booted 3 times in 5 mins just after start-up. How is everyone else faring?
I'm in New York City btw.
Maybe the hardware discussion can start another thread?
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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.06.11 13:03:00 -
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Once connected I'm booted within a couple minutes now.
Any troubleshooting suggestions?
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psychonaut
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Posted - 2004.06.11 13:07:00 -
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Its a long shot, but you could try clearing your cache..
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.06.11 13:09:00 -
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Unplayable right now.
Server check times out sometimes, getting characters can take minutes, if it ever completes. I moved 59km at 400m/s before eve noticed I had my autopilot activated, etc...
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Shiakarma
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Posted - 2004.06.11 13:13:00 -
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I had a few CTD's when I was on last night plus the market seemed slower. I don't know much about these server upgrade things but I do know that a fresh install of XP on my machine take a "little while" to settle down. Guess this is the same but on a slightly bigger scale
Computer games don't affect children. If PacMan had affected us as kids then we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music. |
Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.06.11 13:18:00 -
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Weird. A _WHOLE_ lot better now. Logging took more like 10 seconds (from password to char selected) instead of 5 minutes. Warping was also as usual.
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