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Mike'P
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:22:00 -
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Maybe what all of you ardent guardians of the MD forum should do is put together a list of minimum acceptable preconditions for IPOs, and get a friendly forum mod to make it a sticky. That way you wouldn't need to jump on every IPO post and waste your time to make sure that us less experienced people don't fall for any scams.
Just a thought....
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Mike'P
Maybe what all of you ardent guardians of the MD forum should do is put together a list of minimum acceptable preconditions for IPOs, and get a friendly forum mod to make it a sticky. That way you wouldn't need to jump on every IPO post and waste your time to make sure that us less experienced people don't fall for any scams.
Just a thought....
It would only encourage some less ardent folks to invest because it "Met the Minimum standard"
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Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
Maybe what all of you ardent guardians of the MD forum should do is put together a list of minimum acceptable preconditions for IPOs, and get a friendly forum mod to make it a sticky. That way you wouldn't need to jump on every IPO post and waste your time to make sure that us less experienced people don't fall for any scams.
Just a thought....
Several are in the stickies... Hexxx's template is recommended reading.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
Maybe what all of you ardent guardians of the MD forum should do is put together a list of minimum acceptable preconditions for IPOs, and get a friendly forum mod to make it a sticky. That way you wouldn't need to jump on every IPO post and waste your time to make sure that us less experienced people don't fall for any scams.
Just a thought....
Ya, lets make an explicate list of the requirements for people to throw money at you. Rather than someone having to think about there 'offer' and put some real effort in and it being a careful process of give and take we should just have a check list that every random ******* looking to make a few bil the easy way can go through. Ya, that would end really well.
Oh! Maybe that's why after all these years we've never done it. And here I thought it was just because no one ever thought of it. Gee, that was dumb of me....
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Kwint Sommer
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XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Mike'P
Maybe what all of you ardent guardians of the MD forum should do is put together a list of minimum acceptable preconditions for IPOs, and get a friendly forum mod to make it a sticky. That way you wouldn't need to jump on every IPO post and waste your time to make sure that us less experienced people don't fall for any scams.
Just a thought....
It would only encourage some less ardent folks to invest because it "Met the Minimum standard"
Better to just rip things apart as we see fit and let the chips fall where they may it seems.
I question your choice of pronouns.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Mike'P
Maybe what all of you ardent guardians of the MD forum should do is put together a list of minimum acceptable preconditions for IPOs, and get a friendly forum mod to make it a sticky. That way you wouldn't need to jump on every IPO post and waste your time to make sure that us less experienced people don't fall for any scams.
Just a thought....
It would only encourage some less ardent folks to invest because it "Met the Minimum standard"
Better to just rip things apart as we see fit and let the chips fall where they may it seems.
I question your choice of pronouns.
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Mike'P
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
It would only encourage some less ardent folks to invest because it "Met the Minimum standard"
But the minimum standard at the moment is that the OP gets through the 'ripping' of the guardians - which is the same thing as a minimum standard. I cite the "I'll take x shares pending an audit" trend...
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Ya, lets make an explicate list of the requirements for people to throw money at you. Rather than someone having to think about there 'offer' and put some real effort in and it being a careful process of give and take we should just have a check list that every random ******* looking to make a few bil the easy way can go through. Ya, that would end really well.
Oh! Maybe that's why after all these years we've never done it. And here I thought it was just because no one ever thought of it. Gee, that was dumb of me....
I can't comment on that last part, but there is an explicit list of requirements: follow Hexxx's template and submit to being ripped on by you lot.
I was actually commenting on the amount of effort that you more experienced folks seem to expend on our behalf. It's very reassuring., but it must really put a dent in your day.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
I was actually commenting on the amount of effort that you more experienced folks seem to expend on our behalf. It's very reassuring., but it must really put a dent in your day.
I would bet for some around here, getting a chance to tear someone a new one through their IPO actually brightens their day! |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:57:00 -
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I can almost guarantee that Hexxx, and anyone else at eBank, will back me up when I say: Minimum standards are an impossibility. Each IPO, and prospective manager, are rather unique. There are so many variables in the plan itself, the processes by which it is managed, how it is accounted, the personality and capabilities of those involved... ...
Just far too many factors to create a standardized checklist. Vetting an IPO is very much an experience thing, a gut call. And I hate that this thread here is such a poor example of a gut call.
Dissecting this one is simply far too easy.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Mike'P
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:29:00 -
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Thanks for doing it, though. I might have fallen for it otherwise.
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Aleksi Maksimovich
Black Reign
The Five
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
Thanks for doing it, though. I might have fallen for it otherwise.
See now this guy's posts are a good example of what trolling is. Plus it seems he doesn't like you "regulars" of MD for some reason.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aleksi Maksimovich
Plus it seems he doesn't like you "regulars" of MD for some reason.
Yes, his constantly yapping at "regulars", instead of contributing, but yet he'll quickly jump on anything we approve... this tells me that in his mind we "regulars" are worthy of his meager attentions. Thus it is his trolling that tells me I am superior to him (in his mind) though I would be hard pressed to say I'm superior to anyone. Thus he endeavors to compliment me by engaging me in discourse. He feels I more than justly deserve his attention and, by trolling, he is requesting that I share some with him as well. It is a common male ritual called pecking order and, in practice, it is much safer method of gaining respect then actually posting something substantive. Doing that runs the risk of appearing foolish. So, in closing, he's got the grudge from little man's disease since he thinks he's as good as anyone here but he doesn't have the cahoonas to substantiate that with any real progressive thought or thinking or action. My own personal motto is also my favorite song: "Dare to be stupid". Daring to be stupid also runs the risk of being pure genius. I'd rather gamble and fail instead of just going straight for the failure part. That's just me though.
To Shar -verb:
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2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
My own personal motto is also my favorite song: "Dare to be stupid". Daring to be stupid also runs the risk of being pure genius. I'd rather gamble and fail instead of just going straight for the failure part.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
I can almost guarantee that Hexxx, and anyone else at eBank, will back me up when I say: Minimum standards are an impossibility. Each IPO, and prospective manager, are rather unique. There are so many variables in the plan itself, the processes by which it is managed, how it is accounted, the personality and capabilities of those involved... ...
Just far too many factors to create a standardized checklist. Vetting an IPO is very much an experience thing, a gut call. And I hate that this thread here is such a poor example of a gut call.
Dissecting this one is simply far too easy.
Agree with this.
Minimum standards are all well and good, but as pointed out above it is a 'gut call'. The standards for each IPO might change significantly.
Character
Reputation
Business Plan
IPO document
Questions answered
Intelligence
Willpower
There are many factors which influence the decision, some people give more weight to some than others. It is how IPO launchers reacts to the above traits will govern how much money they get.
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Mike'P
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Yes, his constantly yapping at "regulars", instead of contributing, but yet he'll quickly jump on anything we approve... this tells me that in his mind we "regulars" are worthy of his meager attentions. Thus it is his trolling that tells me I am superior to him (in his mind) though I would be hard pressed to say I'm superior to anyone. Thus he endeavors to compliment me by engaging me in discourse. He feels I more than justly deserve his attention and, by trolling, he is requesting that I share some with him as well.
It is a common male ritual called pecking order and, in practice, it is much safer method of gaining respect then actually posting something substantive. Doing that runs the risk of appearing foolish.
So, in closing, he's got the grudge from little man's disease since he thinks he's as good as anyone here but he doesn't have the cahoonas to substantiate that with any real progressive thought or thinking or action.
My own personal motto is also my favorite song: "Dare to be stupid". Daring to be stupid also runs the risk of being pure genius. I'd rather gamble and fail instead of just going straight for the failure part.
That's just me though.
Crikey, did you read all my mail, put a CCTV camera in my lounge and follow me around for the past 20 years without me noticing ? 
If you interpret my questioning of the current status quo as "constantly yapping", that's not my problem. I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that this forum is essentially broken as a vehicle for talking about the market within Eve. I'll be honest, it's one of the most antagonistic forums I've ever come across, and my only explanation for this at the moment is that you lot must have really suffered at the hands of some seriously clever scammers a few years back.... and it's just scarred you for life.
I'm sorry I haven't contributed to this forum in a way that you would count as a 'contribution', rather than a 'yapping'. Having seen how a lot of contributors get treated, I'm not entirely sure how one would cross that threshold and make it into the club.
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Mike'P
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:46:00 -
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Sorry, one final thing just for you Shar...
Originally by: Shar Tegral
...but yet he'll quickly jump on anything we approve...
I make up my own mind, do my own research, and click on my own wallet when I send ISK to someone. You can't take the credit for me deciding to risk my own money on an investment. I didn't vote you in as an advisor.
Shar's statement alone is indicative of the problem with some regular contributors to this forum; sometimes things happen not *because* of you, but either *regardless* of you or *in spite* of you.
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Antiquarian
Minmatar
Toxick Administration
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
Sorry, one final thing just for you Shar...
Originally by: Shar Tegral
...but yet he'll quickly jump on anything we approve...
I make up my own mind, do my own research, and click on my own wallet when I send ISK to someone. You can't take the credit for me deciding to risk my own money on an investment. I didn't vote you in as an advisor.
Shar's statement alone is indicative of the problem with some regular contributors to this forum; sometimes things happen not *because* of you, but either *regardless* of you or *in spite* of you.
Ill sign this!
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Antiquarian
Originally by: Mike'P
Sorry, one final thing just for you Shar...
Originally by: Shar Tegral
...but yet he'll quickly jump on anything we approve...
I make up my own mind, do my own research, and click on my own wallet when I send ISK to someone. You can't take the credit for me deciding to risk my own money on an investment. I didn't vote you in as an advisor.
Shar's statement alone is indicative of the problem with some regular contributors to this forum; sometimes things happen not *because* of you, but either *regardless* of you or *in spite* of you.
Ill sign this!
Sorry but you're assumed to be lemmings unless you act otherwise and thus far I've yet to see this independent research or investment. 
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Mike'P
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Posted - 2008.09.04 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Sorry but you're assumed to be lemmings unless you act otherwise and thus far I've yet to see this independent research or investment.
Sorry about that, Kwint, but your mind reading skills must be a little rusty. My initial response to reading an IPO thread is not to issue a stream of public text about its worthiness or otherwise, so my research might go un-noticed. But it does happen, my friend, even on your IPO. I couldn't give a rat's rear-end whether anyone else posted that they thought you were legit.
Your IPO, my ISK, my choice.
Sorry, but you're assumed to be unhelpful elitists unless you act otherwise, and thus far I've yet to see this assumption disproved. Quite why you waste your time replying to a yapping lemming like myself is a puzzle, but maybe quite revealing.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.09.04 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Sorry but you're assumed to be lemmings unless you act otherwise and thus far I've yet to see this independent research or investment.
Sorry about that, Kwint, but your mind reading skills must be a little rusty. My initial response to reading an IPO thread is not to issue a stream of public text about its worthiness or otherwise, so my research might go un-noticed. But it does happen, my friend, even on your IPO. I couldn't give a rat's rear-end whether anyone else posted that they thought you were legit.
Your IPO, my ISK, my choice.
Sorry, but you're assumed to be unhelpful elitists unless you act otherwise, and thus far I've yet to see this assumption disproved. Quite why you waste your time replying to a yapping lemming like myself is a puzzle, but maybe quite revealing.
I normally ignore them but this instance is indeed "revealing." It reveals that I'm bored.
What can I say, not every night of my life is packed with excitement.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.04 00:37:00 -
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I think we might need to phone the Off-Topic police
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500043
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Golanbat
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Posted - 2008.09.04 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
I think we might need to phone the Off-Topic police
Oh, No! Please, continue. (nearly) Every post is a learning experience. I know I am not a scammer, and certainly next time I will work harder to get others to feel the same way.
Y'all continue, the last few posts on the "MD regulars" have been very interesting.
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Caste Ling
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Posted - 2008.09.04 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mike'P
Maybe what all of you ardent guardians of the MD forum should do is put together a list of minimum acceptable preconditions for IPOs, and get a friendly forum mod to make it a sticky. That way you wouldn't need to jump on every IPO post and waste your time to make sure that us less experienced people don't fall for any scams.
Just a thought....
As stated above, there are stickies with some rough guidelines for minimum acceptable return etc, but if each individual deal is not scrutinized as much as it can be, even if the poster means well - something big could be left out and that's when people lose isk.
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