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Lusian	Posted - 2008.09.03 01:44:00 - [1] Basically i herd an alliance m8 tel me how if he could afford a caldari navy raven with dred guristas's fittings and a really nice faction set up it would have the meanest tank. apart from a rohk. I am wondering if there is a gallantian BS out there that could get in some sick dps and tank that could rival the Navy raven with faction setups. If you know your Gallantian Battleship + Faction setups then please can anyone tell me a good setup.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.03 01:47:00 - [2] Check out the Navy Mega, Vindicator, and Mach. In all situations, they're really going to be wtf-useless compared to a faction fit CNR. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus White Core	Posted - 2008.09.03 02:24:00 - [3] rattlesnake as well its part gal
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.09.03 06:03:00 - [4] Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 03/09/2008 06:03:23 Hyperion: 8x Ion II's 1x MWD 1x 24km 1x Named Webber 2x Medium Electrochem Injector 2x LAR II 1x Mag Stab II 1x DCU II 1x EANM II 1x Exp Hardener II Kin Rig Therm Rig With Caldari Navy AM i do 925 DPS and 195 DPS tanked with 70 accorss the board. I've named it '** Smasher 9000' Needs perfect fitting and I have BS5 ----------------- Friends Forever**
Schnitzar	Posted - 2008.09.03 10:16:00 - [5] Edited by: Schnitzar on 03/09/2008 10:17:12 Golem tanks like a freak with those kind of fittings, not sure how fantastic a Navy Raven is tho. Vindi is what people usually try to active tank with because it's got a high base cap recharge and a counter-bonus to the MWD cap penalty, I don't really like the whole electron blaster thing going on with that tho. Otherwise a Hyperion has the nicest tank + great damage. It looks great on EFT but but it's sooooo cap dependant. Basically... A navy mega costs less than 300 mil now, buffer tank + gank it. With good skills, cheap implants and a few faction mods in the lowslots you can overload it for north of 1500 dps with about 150k EHP. You could probably go to 5% implants and still get the whole package for less than two of your mates DG invuls. If you wan't to spend big isk go get some slave implants and send your EHP through the roof. You'll give his Raven a hard time then and as long as you can get your pod away, you save the bulk of your investment when you pop. Edit: spelling
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2008.09.03 11:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Schnitzar Edited by: Schnitzar on 03/09/2008 10:17:12 Golem tanks like a freak with those kind of fittings, not sure how fantastic a Navy Raven is tho. Vindi is what people usually try to active tank with because it's got a high base cap recharge and a counter-bonus to the MWD cap penalty, I don't really like the whole electron blaster thing going on with that tho. Otherwise a Hyperion has the nicest tank + great damage. It looks great on EFT but but it's sooooo cap dependant. Basically... A navy mega costs less than 300 mil now, buffer tank + gank it. With good skills, cheap implants and a few faction mods in the lowslots you can overload it for north of 1500 dps with about 150k EHP. You could probably go to 5% implants and still get the whole package for less than two of your mates DG invuls. If you wan't to spend big isk go get some slave implants and send your EHP through the roof. You'll give his Raven a hard time then and as long as you can get your pod away, you save the bulk of your investment when you pop. Edit: spelling err, what
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.03 14:42:00 - [7] Anyone who thinks the Navy Mega or Vindi are poor pvp ships has been flying with the wrong crowd. . .I would take a Vindi/N.Mega flying next to me over a Navy Raven any day. ---- GO BLUE!!
Arana Tellen Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Liang Nuren Check out the Navy Mega, Vindicator, and Mach. In all situations, they're really going to be wtf-useless compared to a faction fit CNR. -Liang Wrong, the mega against kin rats gets a rather large damage bonus over the raven. The CNR gains a 16% damage bonus (minus defender chance) and the navy mega gains the ability to fit a third mag stab (around 10% damage boost) the mega started off at a higher DPS so will still win. Ravens are the best generalists but suck compared to the native platforms (for either amarr or gallente or caldari (rokh)). Would not know about minmitar however. --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Megan Maynard Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Liang Nuren Check out the Navy Mega, Vindicator, and Mach. In all situations, they're really going to be wtf-useless compared to a faction fit CNR. -Liang I'm gonna wonder what you are smoking saying the Navy mega wtf-useless compared to the CNR.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Arana Tellen Wrong, the mega against kin rats gets a rather large damage bonus over the raven. The CNR gains a 16% damage bonus (minus defender chance) and the navy mega gains the ability to fit a third mag stab (around 10% damage boost) the mega started off at a higher DPS so will still win. Ravens are the best generalists but suck compared to the native platforms (for either amarr or gallente or caldari (rokh)). Would not know about minmitar however. You're neglecting the abysmal tracking that the Navy Mega has, and the absurd CPU issues. My bog standard Raven completes missions significantly better/faster than my friend's faction fit Navy Mega (and he actually has much better skills than I do). And come on now, let's be honest. Who the hell would fly a Navy Mega when you can fly a sentry Domi? -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:47:00 - [11] Edited by: FT Diomedes on 03/09/2008 19:48:19 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Arana Tellen Wrong, the mega against kin rats gets a rather large damage bonus over the raven. The CNR gains a 16% damage bonus (minus defender chance) and the navy mega gains the ability to fit a third mag stab (around 10% damage boost) the mega started off at a higher DPS so will still win. Ravens are the best generalists but suck compared to the native platforms (for either amarr or gallente or caldari (rokh)). Would not know about minmitar however. You're neglecting the abysmal tracking that the Navy Mega has, and the absurd CPU issues. My bog standard Raven completes missions significantly better/faster than my friend's faction fit Navy Mega (and he actually has much better skills than I do). And come on now, let's be honest. Who the hell would fly a Navy Mega when you can fly a sentry Domi? -Liang Me. I use my Navy Megathron when I get bored with using my sentry Dominix. It is much more fun to fly. It's also slightly superior to a Dominix for some missions, with a proper setup. It is also world's better than the Hyperion for mission running. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Megan Maynard I'm gonna wonder what you are smoking saying the Navy mega wtf-useless compared to the CNR. In PVE, the Raven does more real damage, has better range (with cruise) or better damage (with torps), doesn't have to move/kite, and fits a better tank per damage mod. In PVP, it has torps (nuff said). -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/09/2008 19:53:21 Originally by: FT Diomedes Me. I use my Navy Megathron when I get bored with using my sentry Dominix. It is much more fun to fly. It's also slightly superior to a Dominix for some missions, with a proper setup. It is also world's better than the Hyperion for mission running. I completely disregard "fun" when mission running... mostly because mission running is like pulling teeth anyway... I'm curious what your Domi and Navy Mega fits are... because the Domi has every advantage save base HP. -Liang Ed: I'm also dubious why you'd sink billions into a navy mega that might, possibly, slightly edge the domi out in a couple of missions, when you could spend that isk on the Domi and overwhelm the Navy Mega in 95% of your missions. -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Arana Tellen Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Megan Maynard I'm gonna wonder what you are smoking saying the Navy mega wtf-useless compared to the CNR. In PVE, the Raven does more real damage, has better range (with cruise) or better damage (with torps), doesn't have to move/kite, and fits a better tank per damage mod. In PVP, it has torps (nuff said). -Liang In missions turret ships do more damage, easily. Instant damage, better ability to hit smaller targets at range and tbh the ships die fast enough that range wont be an issue (at least for me it's not lol). The setup (in case you are wondering, and yes I flown many a level IV mission without issue) 8x 425mm Railgun II 1x XLSB II 2x mission specific hardner 2x cap recharger II 1x shadow serp tracking computer (tracking) 3x Mag stab II/faction 2x PDS II 5x valkarie II 3x CCC I --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Arana Tellen Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:36:00 - [15] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 03/09/2008 20:38:00 Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/09/2008 19:53:21 Originally by: FT Diomedes Me. I use my Navy Megathron when I get bored with using my sentry Dominix. It is much more fun to fly. It's also slightly superior to a Dominix for some missions, with a proper setup. It is also world's better than the Hyperion for mission running. I completely disregard "fun" when mission running... mostly because mission running is like pulling teeth anyway... I'm curious what your Domi and Navy Mega fits are... because the Domi has every advantage save base HP. -Liang Ed: I'm also dubious why you'd sink billions into a navy mega that might, possibly, slightly edge the domi out in a couple of missions, when you could spend that isk on the Domi and overwhelm the Navy Mega in 95% of your missions. A navy mega fit usually consists of 3 mag stabs, faction harders/repper, 425/350 railguns along with 4 sentries + 5 lights (my prefered drone layout for PVE). I would also point out that navy ammo for turrets (especially amarr and somewhat gallente) is far cheaper and viable for missions. --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Arana Tellen A navy mega fit usually consists of 3 mag stabs, faction harders/repper, 425/350 railguns along with 4 sentries + 5 lights (my prefered drone layout for PVE). I would also point out that navy ammo for turrets (especially amarr and somewhat gallente) is far cheaper and viable for missions. I'm curious how a Navy Mega with 7 bonused turrets + 4 unbonused sentries outdamages a Domi with 5 (and possibly 6 depending on fit) bonused turrets + 5 bonused sentries. This gets more true as you spend more ISK (faction reppers/hardeners/MFS etc) all contribute more (IMO) to a Domi than they do to an equivalently ganky Navy Mega. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Lusian	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:51:00 - [17] Ok. I am trying to see a Vindicator setup or a Megathron navy issue setup. Trying to saee which would be bettr for a fight. small gang. In a fleet fight and my lag in them i would be the first one to pop.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Arana Tellen In missions turret ships do more damage, easily. Instant damage, better ability to hit smaller targets at range and tbh the ships die fast enough that range wont be an issue (at least for me it's not lol). Turret ships do damage instantly, but that doesn't really matter in missions. It's not like there's a dozen people primarying your NPC. The only possible case for "instant damage" is defenders. Quote: The setup (in case you are wondering, and yes I flown many a level IV mission without issue) 8x 425mm Railgun II 1x XLSB II 2x mission specific hardner 2x cap recharger II 1x shadow serp tracking computer (tracking) 3x Mag stab II/faction 2x PDS II 5x valkarie II 3x CCC I Unless I am mistaken, this is a Rokh setup, and it top ends at 717 DPS with faction ammo (expensive with 8 range bonused turrets IMO). A Navy Mega and Sentry Domi both exceed this by a fair margin even with T1 ammo. Now granted, you have slightly more range, but... range isn't exactly a problem most of the time right? That said, it's a good solid Rokh setup. Now consider a cruise CNR: [Raven Navy Issue, Cruise Faction CNR] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II X-Large Shield Booster II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit II Hammerhead II x5 It'll outtanks your Rokh and outdamages it even against cruisers too at every range it can lock. And range has never been an issue, right? ;-) Disclaimer: The CNR will lose DPS to defenders, and the Rokh will lose DPS to tracking. Even including defender loss and excluding tracking loss, the CNR outdamages the Rokh. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Schnitzar	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Schnitzar Edited by: Schnitzar on 03/09/2008 10:17:12 Golem tanks like a freak with those kind of fittings, not sure how fantastic a Navy Raven is tho. Vindi is what people usually try to active tank with because it's got a high base cap recharge and a counter-bonus to the MWD cap penalty, I don't really like the whole electron blaster thing going on with that tho. Otherwise a Hyperion has the nicest tank + great damage. It looks great on EFT but but it's sooooo cap dependant. Basically... A navy mega costs less than 300 mil now, buffer tank + gank it. With good skills, cheap implants and a few faction mods in the lowslots you can overload it for north of 1500 dps with about 150k EHP. You could probably go to 5% implants and still get the whole package for less than two of your mates DG invuls. If you wan't to spend big isk go get some slave implants and send your EHP through the roof. You'll give his Raven a hard time then and as long as you can get your pod away, you save the bulk of your investment when you pop. Edit: spelling err, what Did you try reading it again, slowly?
Valmir Elbereth Gallente Malevolent Emo Herders Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Lusian Ok. I am trying to see a Vindicator setup or a Megathron navy issue setup. Trying to saee which would be bettr for a fight. small gang. In a fleet fight and my lag in them i would be the first one to pop. First of all do you have the skills to fly gallente and secondly what are you trying to aachieve? If you want a happy medium between gank and tank the hyperion is your best bet due to the rep bonus and standard setup with ions. Also if your trying to make some badass setup with a vindi or a navy mega save it, The days of soloing aka farjung style are over. Unless you want a big loss and a big fat "L" for flying it by yourself stick with the standard ships like the domi mega and hyp. There are plenty of awesome setups for these ships for a fraction of the cost.
Arana Tellen Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.04 21:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Arana Tellen In missions turret ships do more damage, easily. Instant damage, better ability to hit smaller targets at range and tbh the ships die fast enough that range wont be an issue (at least for me it's not lol). Turret ships do damage instantly, but that doesn't really matter in missions. It's not like there's a dozen people primarying your NPC. The only possible case for "instant damage" is defenders. Quote: The setup (in case you are wondering, and yes I flown many a level IV mission without issue) 8x 425mm Railgun II 1x XLSB II 2x mission specific hardner 2x cap recharger II 1x shadow serp tracking computer (tracking) 3x Mag stab II/faction 2x PDS II 5x valkarie II 3x CCC I Unless I am mistaken, this is a Rokh setup, and it top ends at 717 DPS with faction ammo (expensive with 8 range bonused turrets IMO). A Navy Mega and Sentry Domi both exceed this by a fair margin even with T1 ammo. Now granted, you have slightly more range, but... range isn't exactly a problem most of the time right? That said, it's a good solid Rokh setup. Now consider a cruise CNR: [Raven Navy Issue, Cruise Faction CNR] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II X-Large Shield Booster II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit II Hammerhead II x5 It'll outtanks your Rokh and outdamages it even against cruisers too at every range it can lock. And range has never been an issue, right? ;-) Disclaimer: The CNR will lose DPS to defenders, and the Rokh will lose DPS to tracking. Even including defender loss and excluding tracking loss, the CNR outdamages the Rokh. -Liang Unless you turn off your launchers at precisely the right time there will be a lag with each rat you fire upon. The rokh with mega tracking at 54km does not run into tracking issues (at this distance the enemies are heading for you there is no tracking to speak of anyway). --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.04 21:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Arana Tellen Unless you turn off your launchers at precisely the right time there will be a lag with each rat you fire upon. The rokh with mega tracking at 54km does not run into tracking issues (at this distance the enemies are heading for you there is no tracking to speak of anyway). You're using lag as a defense for your Rokh having worse DPS? Seriously? -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Arana Tellen Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.05 10:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Arana Tellen Unless you turn off your launchers at precisely the right time there will be a lag with each rat you fire upon. The rokh with mega tracking at 54km does not run into tracking issues (at this distance the enemies are heading for you there is no tracking to speak of anyway). You're using lag as a defense for your Rokh having worse DPS? Seriously? -Liang lag is a delay ie unless you switch off your launchers on the precise volly that will finish off your current target any excess damage or missiles is wasted. Turrets fire untill the target is dead and you can turn any remaining turrets onto the next target. There is also the lag (read delay) between the missiles being fired on your next target that even with perfect timing still adds up. --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.05 17:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Arana Tellen lag is a delay ie unless you switch off your launchers on the precise volly that will finish off your current target any excess damage or missiles is wasted. Turrets fire untill the target is dead and you can turn any remaining turrets onto the next target. There is also the lag (read delay) between the missiles being fired on your next target that even with perfect timing still adds up. So I write down that a Gist destroyer takes 3 missiles.. i target them all, fire off 3 missiles at each, and move on. It's very mechanical and not really error prone unless I'm feeling really lazy. No, your Rokh is a solid Rokh mission setup, but it doesn't really compare to the CNR (especially once you take into account that not all missions start off at 80km, and then that not all missions require kin/thm damage types). The really sad thing is that I'm arguing over whether your Rokh can compete at its best mission against a Raven any mission. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Arana Tellen Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.05 18:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Arana Tellen lag is a delay ie unless you switch off your launchers on the precise volly that will finish off your current target any excess damage or missiles is wasted. Turrets fire untill the target is dead and you can turn any remaining turrets onto the next target. There is also the lag (read delay) between the missiles being fired on your next target that even with perfect timing still adds up. So I write down that a Gist destroyer takes 3 missiles.. i target them all, fire off 3 missiles at each, and move on. It's very mechanical and not really error prone unless I'm feeling really lazy. No, your Rokh is a solid Rokh mission setup, but it doesn't really compare to the CNR (especially once you take into account that not all missions start off at 80km, and then that not all missions require kin/thm damage types). The really sad thing is that I'm arguing over whether your Rokh can compete at its best mission against a Raven any mission. -Liang I can pop 2-3 destroyers in one volly on the rokh and my ROF is better than the launchers. --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.05 18:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Arana Tellen I can pop 2-3 destroyers in one volly on the rokh and my ROF is better than the launchers. You're grasping at straws to justify the Rokh as an excellent mission ship. Your setup is solid, but it is not going to compete with a CNR. Think about it: you're touting your best ability and it still falls fairly flat. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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