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Zamolxis
Aku Soku Zan
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:18:00 -
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Keeping t20 within company was the worst decision CCP ever made. No other MMOPRG company would do this. It's simply not worth it. See:
Consider you are just a stranger that wanna start EvE online, you go the most common dictionary: wikipedia punch in in 'eve online' and under public perception you can see:
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Developer misconduct
Since the release of Eve Online there has been proven developer as well as player-corporation misconduct, leading to debates and controversy within the Eve community. On February 9, 2007, a player known as Kugutsumen revealed that an Eve Online developer nicknamed 't20' had provided his in-game alliance, Band of Brothers, with ten valuable blueprints, giving them an advantage over competing corporations.[76] Despite calls for t20's dismissal he is still an Eve Online developer while Kugutsumen was permanently banned from the Eve universe for violating the game's Terms of Service and End-user License Agreement.[76]
In response to public concerns, CCP decided to set up an Internal Affairs division headed by Ari Eldon, better known in-game as Arkanon, whose responsibility is to monitor the activities of both privileged and player accounts operated by CCP staff in-game. The impartiality of this division remains disputed.[77][78] Modeled on this division, CCP has instated the Council of Stellar Management (CSM).
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You see this developer misconduct with the infamous t20 name. Then you see the player who helped finding out this name is banned for stupid reasons. Before you join EvE, you start to question the fairness in this game. You also start to question the quality of the company CCP and how desperate they are to keep an employee that gave them bad image, bad advertisement and bad reputation overall.
Yes I know. After all those years this bulls.h.i.t is still coming up again and again. But this is inevitable, in brand management one mistake may not be cleaned unless you take proper action and show public that you are mean and serious company. t20 incident simply made CCP weak in brand image, public image and quality. It will never fade away unless they change his name or kick him.
However I am not that merciless and I believe in second chances in real life too. But when it is about brand management, you have no choice. What I would do is to just change the nickname of t20 if you really want to keep him in the company. As long as people see t20 name, this bull.s.h.i.t. will keep coming and coming.
CCP might be good graphic designers but they absolutely suck at administration, brand management and programming.
To t20, if you had some honor which I believe you don't. You would resign or change your name at least. You don't know how much damage you did and still do to this company.
Of course now all your BOB friends will defend you in this thread but it's obvious isn't it?
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Zamolxis
Aku Soku Zan
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:18:00 -
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Keeping t20 within company was the worst decision CCP ever made. No other MMOPRG company would do this. It's simply not worth it. See:
Consider you are just a stranger that wanna start EvE online, you go the most common dictionary: wikipedia punch in in 'eve online' and under public perception you can see:
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Developer misconduct
Since the release of Eve Online there has been proven developer as well as player-corporation misconduct, leading to debates and controversy within the Eve community. On February 9, 2007, a player known as Kugutsumen revealed that an Eve Online developer nicknamed 't20' had provided his in-game alliance, Band of Brothers, with ten valuable blueprints, giving them an advantage over competing corporations.[76] Despite calls for t20's dismissal he is still an Eve Online developer while Kugutsumen was permanently banned from the Eve universe for violating the game's Terms of Service and End-user License Agreement.[76]
In response to public concerns, CCP decided to set up an Internal Affairs division headed by Ari Eldon, better known in-game as Arkanon, whose responsibility is to monitor the activities of both privileged and player accounts operated by CCP staff in-game. The impartiality of this division remains disputed.[77][78] Modeled on this division, CCP has instated the Council of Stellar Management (CSM).
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You see this developer misconduct with the infamous t20 name. Then you see the player who helped finding out this name is banned for stupid reasons. Before you join EvE, you start to question the fairness in this game. You also start to question the quality of the company CCP and how desperate they are to keep an employee that gave them bad image, bad advertisement and bad reputation overall.
Yes I know. After all those years this bulls.h.i.t is still coming up again and again. But this is inevitable, in brand management one mistake may not be cleaned unless you take proper action and show public that you are mean and serious company. t20 incident simply made CCP weak in brand image, public image and quality. It will never fade away unless they change his name or kick him.
However I am not that merciless and I believe in second chances in real life too. But when it is about brand management, you have no choice. What I would do is to just change the nickname of t20 if you really want to keep him in the company. As long as people see t20 name, this bull.s.h.i.t. will keep coming and coming.
CCP might be good graphic designers but they absolutely suck at administration, brand management and programming.
To t20, if you had some honor which I believe you don't. You would resign or change your name at least. You don't know how much damage you did and still do to this company.
Of course now all your BOB friends will defend you in this thread but it's obvious isn't it?
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:20:00 -
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I agree. I'm sick of this dude smearing my good name. Fire T20 NOW!
The truth will set you free
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:20:00 -
[4]
I agree. I'm sick of this dude smearing my good name. Fire T20 NOW!
The truth will set you free
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:21:00 -
[5]
Firing him now would make them look even worse 
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:21:00 -
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Firing him now would make them look even worse
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:24:00 -
[7]
 Originally by: Zamolxis
Keeping t20 within company was the worst decision CCP ever made. No other MMOPRG company would do this. It's simply not worth it. See:
Consider you are just a stranger that wanna start EvE online, you go the most common dictionary: wikipedia punch in in 'eve online' and under public perception you can see:
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Developer misconduct
Since the release of Eve Online there has been proven developer as well as player-corporation misconduct, leading to debates and controversy within the Eve community. On February 9, 2007, a player known as Kugutsumen revealed that an Eve Online developer nicknamed 't20' had provided his in-game alliance, Band of Brothers, with ten valuable blueprints, giving them an advantage over competing corporations.[76] Despite calls for t20's dismissal he is still an Eve Online developer while Kugutsumen was permanently banned from the Eve universe for violating the game's Terms of Service and End-user License Agreement.[76]
In response to public concerns, CCP decided to set up an Internal Affairs division headed by Ari Eldon, better known in-game as Arkanon, whose responsibility is to monitor the activities of both privileged and player accounts operated by CCP staff in-game. The impartiality of this division remains disputed.[77][78] Modeled on this division, CCP has instated the Council of Stellar Management (CSM).
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You see this developer misconduct with the infamous t20 name. Then you see the player who helped finding out this name is banned for stupid reasons. Before you join EvE, you start to question the fairness in this game. You also start to question the quality of the company CCP and how desperate they are to keep an employee that gave them bad image, bad advertisement and bad reputation overall.
Yes I know. After all those years this bulls.h.i.t is still coming up again and again. But this is inevitable, in brand management one mistake may not be cleaned unless you take proper action and show public that you are mean and serious company. t20 incident simply made CCP weak in brand image, public image and quality. It will never fade away unless they change his name or kick him.
However I am not that merciless and I believe in second chances in real life too. But when it is about brand management, you have no choice. What I would do is to just change the nickname of t20 if you really want to keep him in the company. As long as people see t20 name, this bull.s.h.i.t. will keep coming and coming.
CCP might be good graphic designers but they absolutely suck at administration, brand management and programming.
To t20, if you had some honor which I believe you don't. You would resign or change your name at least. You don't know how much damage you did and still do to this company.
Of course now all your BOB friends will defend you in this thread but it's obvious isn't it?
lol zamolxis has been around how many people now?
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:24:00 -
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I've still got tons of screenshots of the racist and illegal posts that Goonfleet made during the threadnought. Want me to post those here too?
I'd rather be affiliated with an alliance where one single, individual member benefited from a Sabre BPO than an alliance that actively mocked the death of a RL player with their forum sigs and who launched and in game and out of game smear campaign on the game I love.
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zamolxis
Keeping t20 within company was the worst decision CCP ever made. No other MMOPRG company would do this. It's simply not worth it. See:
Consider you are just a stranger that wanna start EvE online, you go the most common dictionary: wikipedia punch in in 'eve online' and under public perception you can see:
--------------------------------------------------------
Developer misconduct
Since the release of Eve Online there has been proven developer as well as player-corporation misconduct, leading to debates and controversy within the Eve community. On February 9, 2007, a player known as Kugutsumen revealed that an Eve Online developer nicknamed 't20' had provided his in-game alliance, Band of Brothers, with ten valuable blueprints, giving them an advantage over competing corporations.[76] Despite calls for t20's dismissal he is still an Eve Online developer while Kugutsumen was permanently banned from the Eve universe for violating the game's Terms of Service and End-user License Agreement.[76]
In response to public concerns, CCP decided to set up an Internal Affairs division headed by Ari Eldon, better known in-game as Arkanon, whose responsibility is to monitor the activities of both privileged and player accounts operated by CCP staff in-game. The impartiality of this division remains disputed.[77][78] Modeled on this division, CCP has instated the Council of Stellar Management (CSM).
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You see this developer misconduct with the infamous t20 name. Then you see the player who helped finding out this name is banned for stupid reasons. Before you join EvE, you start to question the fairness in this game. You also start to question the quality of the company CCP and how desperate they are to keep an employee that gave them bad image, bad advertisement and bad reputation overall.
Yes I know. After all those years this bulls.h.i.t is still coming up again and again. But this is inevitable, in brand management one mistake may not be cleaned unless you take proper action and show public that you are mean and serious company. t20 incident simply made CCP weak in brand image, public image and quality. It will never fade away unless they change his name or kick him.
However I am not that merciless and I believe in second chances in real life too. But when it is about brand management, you have no choice. What I would do is to just change the nickname of t20 if you really want to keep him in the company. As long as people see t20 name, this bull.s.h.i.t. will keep coming and coming.
CCP might be good graphic designers but they absolutely suck at administration, brand management and programming.
To t20, if you had some honor which I believe you don't. You would resign or change your name at least. You don't know how much damage you did and still do to this company.
Of course now all your BOB friends will defend you in this thread but it's obvious isn't it?
lol zamolxis has been around how many people now?
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:24:00 -
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I've still got tons of screenshots of the racist and illegal posts that Goonfleet made during the threadnought. Want me to post those here too?
I'd rather be affiliated with an alliance where one single, individual member benefited from a Sabre BPO than an alliance that actively mocked the death of a RL player with their forum sigs and who launched and in game and out of game smear campaign on the game I love.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:27:00 -
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he gave it and the rest of the (crappier) BPOs to reikoku when he had to leave BoB cos his character got outed as a dev
so it wasn't just him that benefited from the bpos he cheated to acquire
anyways ancient history who cares etc etc
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:27:00 -
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he gave it and the rest of the (crappier) BPOs to reikoku when he had to leave BoB cos his character got outed as a dev
so it wasn't just him that benefited from the bpos he cheated to acquire
anyways ancient history who cares etc etc
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Piramon Rakesk
Federation of Freeminds
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
I've still got tons of screenshots of the racist and illegal posts that Goonfleet made during the threadnought. Want me to post those here too?
I'd rather be affiliated with an alliance where one single, individual member benefited from a Sabre BPO than an alliance that actively mocked the death of a RL player with their forum sigs and who launched and in game and out of game smear campaign on the game I love.
I agree with you. However misbehaving is one thing and misconduct is something else. You are a developer, you represent CCP at top level. How top can you go? It's really destructive image for CCP. You don't see any goon racist comments in wikipedia but you see t20 name. That's the point.
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Piramon Rakesk
Federation of Freeminds
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
I've still got tons of screenshots of the racist and illegal posts that Goonfleet made during the threadnought. Want me to post those here too?
I'd rather be affiliated with an alliance where one single, individual member benefited from a Sabre BPO than an alliance that actively mocked the death of a RL player with their forum sigs and who launched and in game and out of game smear campaign on the game I love.
I agree with you. However misbehaving is one thing and misconduct is something else. You are a developer, you represent CCP at top level. How top can you go? It's really destructive image for CCP. You don't see any goon racist comments in wikipedia but you see t20 name. That's the point.
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Seleene Diago
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:31:00 -
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Free Kugutsumen tbh.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:31:00 -
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If I didn't know better I'd assume some alliances were losing a war REALLY badly and were desperately looking for excuses.
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Seleene Diago
Polished Diamond Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:31:00 -
[17]
Free Kugutsumen tbh.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:31:00 -
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If I didn't know better I'd assume some alliances were losing a war REALLY badly and were desperately looking for excuses.
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Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:32:00 -
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Just out of interest, when exactly was the "t20 incident".
Also. what new information has come to light that warrant re-visiting it (did I miss anything).
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Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:32:00 -
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Just out of interest, when exactly was the "t20 incident".
Also. what new information has come to light that warrant re-visiting it (did I miss anything).
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:35:00 -
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no there's no reason to revisit it now, people are just doing so because they're idiots
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:35:00 -
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no there's no reason to revisit it now, people are just doing so because they're idiots
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EzSnake
Brass Monkeys Society
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:36:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Just out of interest, when exactly was the "t20 incident".
Also. what new information has come to light that warrant re-visiting it (did I miss anything).
People just want to bring it back up and keep it alive, as it's the only solid thing they have against BoB 
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Solar Typhon
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Solar Typhon on 03/09/2008 22:38:18
Let it go dude, it's just a game. I'm sure the guy got a *******ing off his boss and some sort of warning and all the rest of the crap that you get when you get in trouble at work.
I don't think the guy deserves to lose his job after one mistake, if he did it again then thats another thing, but I reckon the punishment of having all the geeks of eve *****ing about him for all time, as well as the incident sitting his employment record for as long as he works at CCP is enough.
Anyway, if you don't like it.....just quit in protest like the other fella on CAOD rather than bring up this rubbish again.
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Hey You
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:38:00 -
[25]
Can i have your stuff?
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Queeria
Galactic Bull-dike Society II
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: *****ia on 03/09/2008 22:39:41
Ah ffs. I'm very sorry you've got butt hurt over something that took place over a year ago. You'll be hard-pressed to find an MMO in the market that hasn't had a couple of major blemishes in it's history.
The sad reality of this constant whining by you crybabies is that even if T20 left, you wouldn't quit your *****ing until BoB dissolves. For christ's sake, harden the feck up or hand in your mancard and quit the game. I'm very sorry you're feeling so inadequate and lacking confidence to the point that you made this crap thread.
Please take a vacation from EVE. Perhaps you'll realize that its not worth posting about in such lurid detail, having stooped to the level of dredging wikipedia for stuff to complain about.
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Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: *****ia
Ah ffs. I'm very sorry you've got butt hurt over something that took place over a year ago.
to be fair, it was actually about two years ago, in the summer of 2006.
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Omeega
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zamolxis
Of course now all your BOB friends will defend you in this thread but it's obvious isn't it?
Hi, I'm not a BOB fan.
But I'm smart enough to understand T20 is not the reason BOB is what they were a few months ago.
I'm pretty sure everyone consider the personal work you've put into your own alliance to be much more important than the actions of a few lonely players who use the same alliance tag than you took.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3... |
Seleene Diago
Polished Diamond Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Zamolxis
Of course now all your BOB friends will defend you in this thread but it's obvious isn't it?
Hi, I'm not a BOB fan.
But I'm smart enough to understand T20 is not the reason BOB is what they were a few months ago.
I'm pretty sure everyone consider the personal work you've put into your own alliance to be much more important than the actions of a few lonely players who use the same alliance tag than you took.
Yep MSN is 
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Omeega
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:57:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Seleene Diago
Yep MSN is
I don't get it.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3... |
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Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.03 22:58:00 -
[31]
Dear op,
I couldn't help but notice that you seem to be having some trouble with this and I have determined your problem. You, sir, are simply just using the wrong shampoo. I have included a picture of a product that will help your condition.
Regards |
Omeega
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:02:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Elise Randolph
Sweet fresh material!
Anyone has a tinfoil picture to post?
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3... |
Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:05:00 -
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Petition the LAG GENERATOR BUTTON, BOB activates on there enemies. its a serkit button that top bobbits use in war.
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Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:06:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Elise Randolph
AWESOME PICTURE
Sweet fresh material!
Anyone has a tinfoil picture to post?
I am witty, beautiful, and smart; thank you for pointing this out. However, I believe the tinfoil hat picture you speak of has already been done and is very tired. You're on the right track, though.
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Ikvar
A Blue Goat
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
I've still got tons of screenshots of the racist and illegal posts that Goonfleet made during the threadnought.
ILLEGAL POSTS. GOONFLEET ARE POSTING CRIMINALS. JAIL THEM FOR THEIR POSTING CRIMES.
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Count Triton
Freelancing Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:10:00 -
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To put this to rest once and for all, and to appease those who still feel BoB should pay for what T20 did, how about an act of public contrition?
I suggest, as a gesture of humility and goodwill to the community, that SirMolle himself pose, in the New York Times, in a fluffy pink hat. What more could anyone ask for?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 03/09/2008 23:15:45
Do you know what I am SICK about??
IDIOTS who cant let aprox 2 year old cases SIMPLY DIE!!!!
Originally by: Dianabolic
Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Omeega
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:15:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Elise Randolph
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I am witty, beautiful, and smart; thank you for pointing this out. However, I believe the tinfoil hat picture you speak of has already been done and is very tired. You're on the right track, though.
I'm never going to put "/joking" inside my posts, you're going to have to detect it on your own :)
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3... |
Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:26:00 -
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Im a bad person because of the alliance im in, in eve online :(
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elohllird
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:28:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Nick Curso
Im a bad person because of the alliance im in, in eve online :(
true dat, dont tell anyone in rl because you'll be ****ed
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Ishamel 1
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Just out of interest, when exactly was the "t20 incident".
Also. what new information has come to light that warrant re-visiting it (did I miss anything).
Bob is winning again. They are going to have to go and start losing again to make it go away.
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Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:38:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Elise Randolph
I am witty, beautiful, and smart; thank you for pointing this out. However, I believe the tinfoil hat picture you speak of has already been done and is very tired. You're on the right track, though.
I'm never going to put "/joking" inside my posts, you're going to have to detect it on your own :)
Wait, YOU WEREN'T BEING TOTALLY SINCERE?!
OH EM GEE, my paradigms have been shifted.
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touchvill
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:41:00 -
[43]
Sweet sigs BoB.
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:44:00 -
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Like others in this thread I suspect this is a whine post from someone in one of the alliances that Bob is plowing over.
On the other hand I have to disagree with those who say "forget about it already". A developer cheated on behalf of one group of players and he wasn't fired for it. Even two years later that still calls Bob's success and CCPs honesty into question. After all, that incident was just what we know about. Are we supposed to just believe that was the only favor handed out by a CCP employee?
We shouldn't get too hung up on that idea but we shouldn't forget about it either. Lets see CCP fire the cheater like they should have done and make amends to the player honest enough to bring his actions to light. Then we can consider forgetting.
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