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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:01:00 -
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I think it's worth clearly labelling contributions as failed business ventures are definately not scams.
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SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.09.08 17:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: Devian 666
Can we list EBANK as a possible future scam?
While I don't expect Riddic to run atm. I don't discount the possibility.
Note that R0me0 turned scammer when the opportunity arose. That and multi-billion scams are not impressive anymore. I've been waiting for the first trillion isk scam myself.
If you're looking for EBANK to be the first then you're looking in the wrong direction. There is no way Ricdic could run off with One Trillion ISK. Let alone a select half of EBANK's Staff running off with One Trillion.
It's just not setup that way, could a scam happen, yes, but not for as much as you'd expect. Any one of EBANK's Staff or Directors could run off with what they have. Our Tellers, maybe 20bil once. Ricdic maybe a hundred billion but then again he is the center point for deposits for distribution so there is elevated risk there.
I think Possible Future Scam is incorrect or at least too broad. I have no problem with people identifying risk and making those comments public. In fact it actually fuels us to find some way to prevent that from happening.
Under the current operation of EBANK, I think I can speak this for all of EBANK's Staff and Directors in saying, If someone was to run off with a fraction of EBANK's ISK or Assets, it would not be the public getting scammed. It would indeed be EBANK being scammed.
The remaining staff and directors would do anything possible to recover the loss so our account holders would not feel the impact.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.08 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
I should probably have been more explicit, but I didn't actually label it as a scam. It comes under the 'general failures' category. While I agree that a considerable effort went into planning, execution and winding up, it can hardly be called a success.
This I agree with. Failed ventures, or underperformers, are far too often labeled as scams by the disaffected. Sadly this does a great disservice to those who make honest effort and suffer from fate as well as those who invested for very good reasons. I'm not one to avoid saying a failure is a failure but I'm also not one to go lynching someone for risking and losing.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
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Lexander Morinex
Caldari
LDD Investments
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Posted - 2008.09.08 19:45:00 -
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I tend to put EBANK less into the 'deliberate scam' category than into the 'One bad bet, bank run, and things fall apart, then we see a scam' category.
A scam to me carries the connotation of a deliberate and planned attempt to bilk investors, as opposed to the 'well, that fell apart, I quit and goodbye' type of failure.
- Lexander Morinex
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.09.08 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lexander Morinex
I tend to put EBANK less into the 'deliberate scam' category than into the 'One bad bet, bank run, and things fall apart, then we see a scam' category.
A scam to me carries the connotation of a deliberate and planned attempt to bilk investors, as opposed to the 'well, that fell apart, I quit and goodbye' type of failure.
- Lexander Morinex
And you are?
Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals |
Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.09.08 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
And you are?
You mean you missed the 'Lexander Morinex' on the bottom AND on the side?! Wow Kwint, just wow...
On-topic (for once): I agree that a scam is an intentional deliberate action from start to finish. Otherwise, I would tend to call it embezzlement.
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.10.05 19:10:00 -
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Has anyone seen Riethe lately?
hahah
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 07:56:00 -
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Well the true shitlist is here.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Horizontal
Well the true shitlist is here.
There it is - thanks for the linky was scratching my head.
RPGN Gaming Network - Eve News, Gaming News, Forums & Community - Home of Aperture Science Corp [ApSci] |
flakeys
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 09:37:00 -
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Would be nice to make this an MD scam only topic.So only IPO/BOND/Loan scams.
On a sidenote to my own scam-experience 2 days ago.I'd like to thank the person who scammed me - and surely is monitoring this part of the forum -.Thanks to you i set my 2nd account back to trading and allready made a 600 M out of it.Just like with previous isksinks i had i allways come stronger out of it.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.04 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 04/11/2008 10:36:16
Originally by: flakeys
Would be nice to make this an MD scam only topic.So only IPO/BOND/Loan scams.
Sorry Flakeys but this is too good not to post.
I was flying my freighter through Jita today and received an interesting mail from a certain "YarR Boi" just upon leaving 4-4:
"Ive got special 'Mod' that cant only be installed by myself to Freightors allowing a 5 second warp, Also alowing 7AU/S warp time, Convo me for details. I Got the best r&d Agent in the game!
My Agent gave me a 10run bpc and a skillbook to build/install these so called 'mods' . Said I was the first/only one to get them untill their seeded. I Will Give away 1-2 After that and their on forums I wwill charge 500mil each.
<<url=showinfo:2183//NotFound>Freightor Warp I</url>
Freighter Warp Mod I
Improves Freighters handling and maneuverability.
Penalty: Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute
on the ship will be penalized.
Armor Bonus -60%
Inertia Multiplier -75%
Skill: Spaceship Modification
Prim : Intel
Secondary :Memory
Skill at adding Mods to spaceships"
For a small sum I've been traded the 10 run BPC, if anyone is interested please post here.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.04 10:42:00 -
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I don't like the judgement you are placing down YGR. You are assuming people are scammers because of poor business plans. I count about 3 of the ones you have listed as not being a scam
Scammer > 2.to cheat or defraud with a scam.
Some of those you have listed have not yet scammed. Maybe they will, but you can also easily be wrong. I think posting your beliefs as facts completely invalidates your list.
The Fitz list linked by Horizontal was a factual list with actual scammers being named and shamed. They were determined to be a scam based on proof. Some of yours are being determined a scam based on your gut feeling.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.04 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 04/11/2008 10:55:50
What?
Just joking, Ricdic is right. I've trimmed the list, only proven scams will be included from now on.
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.11.04 11:05:00 -
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Thanks, much better. |
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