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Gevlin
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
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Funny to hear that so many people are crying bullying, Video games are just full of it. just we as a community can hide behind our anonymity of being on the web. Most of us are victims of real life bullying and we claim to be victims so we can do no wrong and feel justified.
The big mistake Mittens made was being a real person!
If you Punish this real person then you are treading on a slippery slop. Where does the banning end.
Care Bear Tears Spamming in local Hate eve mails Pod casts that make fun of avatars Greifing.
If there was a break in the Eula then that is an issue of CCP vs Eve, but this CyberBullying issue is someone looking for a scape goat
Eve Is netorious for Mob Mentality I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:01:00 -
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Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.
In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States
You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
This would include a person's own personal information.
So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just GÇ£StoriesGÇ¥ to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.
Mittani portrays him self as GÇ£THE VILLAINGÇ¥ within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of GÇ£just for kicksGÇ¥... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.
Mittani being a former lawyer GÇô probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS. Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.
So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy. Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why? -->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game? -->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?
I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.
In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information. If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.
Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:34:00 -
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KanashiiKami wrote:Gevlin wrote:Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.
In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States
You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
This would include a person's own personal information.
So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just GÇ£StoriesGÇ¥ to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.
Mittani portrays him self as GÇ£THE VILLAINGÇ¥ within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of GÇ£just for kicksGÇ¥... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.
Mittani being a former lawyer GÇô probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS. Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.
So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy. Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why? -->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game? -->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?
I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.
In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information. If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.
Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them. well said but fanfest is a gathering of physical bodies .. it is not in a virtual world ... its not skypefest ... to talk about something virtual? yes ... and he did not give a virtual presentation, he gave an actual run down of .... stuff ... seen on a physical screen, about something virtual? yes ... and he did not virtually/randomly suggest that the victim should goto his death ... he actually did it ... he said the word that he should not have spoken ... did he make a really big mistake? of course ... is a BAN too harsh? nope i think not
Source of the information was collected off of the Virtual Game and presented with in that Game's Event. This presentation happen in a presentation that was where people were Presenting their views as their views in game at the Alliance Pannel The Source was Virtual... there for any physical presents of this information is still Virtual
Prevent this from happening again we need to stop it at its source - people presenting non game relient information. Other wise I have to day it is just all lies I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:52:00 -
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KanashiiKami wrote:Gevlin wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Gevlin wrote:Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.
In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States
You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
This would include a person's own personal information.
So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just GÇ£StoriesGÇ¥ to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.
Mittani portrays him self as GÇ£THE VILLAINGÇ¥ within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of GÇ£just for kicksGÇ¥... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.
Mittani being a former lawyer GÇô probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS. Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.
So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy. Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why? -->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game? -->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?
I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.
In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information. If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.
Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them. well said but fanfest is a gathering of physical bodies .. it is not in a virtual world ... its not skypefest ... to talk about something virtual? yes ... and he did not give a virtual presentation, he gave an actual run down of .... stuff ... seen on a physical screen, about something virtual? yes ... and he did not virtually/randomly suggest that the victim should goto his death ... he actually did it ... he said the word that he should not have spoken ... did he make a really big mistake? of course ... is a BAN too harsh? nope i think not Source of the information was collected off of the Virtual Game and presented with in that Game's Event. This presentation happen in a presentation that was where people were Presenting their views as their views in game at the Alliance Pannel The Source was Virtual... there for any physical presents of this information is still Virtual Prevent this from happening again we need to stop it at its source - people presenting non game relient information. Other wise I have to say it is just all lies well anyway ... i think many people did understand right what he said about suicide .... i do not think he is asking the guy to ram his POD into a station LOL
How many other people have lied about this claim in game to gain sympathy from an aggressor. - Lieing in EVE is valid. The Source of the problem is people offering this invalid information to meta game the aggressor. The victim if telling the truth, he Broke the rules. If the Victim was lieing, which we can not confirm because of EULA and TOS. Would there be such a hoopla about it.
I am looking at hitting the problem: Providing personal Information in the game which you are not allowed to do, not the symptom the Mocking of a person who appears to be weak., which occurs so often in eve. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:18:00 -
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Sensationalism Sells:
The actions of the Mittani is seen as Cyberbulling in some peoples eyes, and Cyberbulling is the Current buzz word of the Month. Since the out side world of eve is used to games that are all having PVE content the Social combat in eve is horrid. CCP does not want people spreading their personal information in game for that particular. So if a Villain like the Mittani picks on something then it is picking on a lie or some role playing people will bring it out of context..
In the end the source of the problem is people providing personal information GÇ£Real or otherwiseGÇ¥ to influence another. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:19:00 -
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this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:26:00 -
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Kallynda Nai wrote:Gevlin wrote:this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information. Point out where any personal information was provided. Go ahead, take your time. I'll wait.
The entire email post describe his real life situation that includes comment about suicide and the reasons behind it. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:28:00 -
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all of which some people in the past people have lied about to gain sympath
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:38:00 -
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No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:42:00 -
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I know this sound like blame the victim......
But you need to stop breaking the TOS and make you self into a potential victim.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
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Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
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hioshi IV wrote:Gevlin wrote:No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
And how does excuse mitanus behavior anyway? As a CSM representative, he must set the example, he didn't, he ashamed the entire eve community and ccp as a corporation.
Put on the Breaks.... People voted on who the mittani for who he in game... Mittani continues to remain the mittani even though he has the added responsibility of being a voice for the players...
Also while on the CSM panel - the Mittani did act differently when he was on the alliance panel.
The Mittani acts as a CSM Representative when he is a CSM Representative. Mittani does not Act as a CSM Representative when he is being the leader of the Goons... He acts like the leader of the Goons. For example - Being third party for super transactions.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:56:00 -
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Do not provide Personal Information in game!
Meta gamers are saying the information as lies. to get their way.
How can I tell the difference?....
Do i know the guy... is he just faking tears.... so I back down....?
Is he a Raiden dot alt playing the sympathy card?
there are so many what ifs.
The only way to stop hurting Real people is for this real information from being presented. The only way that can be done is by the victims... There are too many meta gamers out there that are trying to use this to their advantage.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:21:00 -
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Most of us are geeks playing eve. Most of us have been bullied, infact that what makes us the worst bullies of all. The bullied are the worst bullies because they feel that since they were once the victim they can't do any thing wrong.
Hence the Flaming of Mittani. We are all taking our being bullied frustrations on him.
So what have you done for the victim? I was able to find him, offered to sit on guard in an Ospray with reps encase gankers came. and offered while I had the standing to keep attacking a GSC to summon the concord till my standing was no longer. I was told that was not needed. So I left. But I have left an offer to call me if he needed help in the future... Leaving him a GÇ£markerGÇ¥
Am I saying what the Mittani did was over the top. Yes! I also think a goon mind set was in place when he put the slide show together, with out removing the name of the individual from the post- (a goon needs an internet space ship face on his victim.) I also think the combination of Alcohol and per pressure to be the goon leader in front of his fellow goons in the audience caused his over the top reaction to go after a victim.
Personally I think that at Fan Feast anyone doing any formal presentation must be sober during those presentation. Which includes Alliance panel. Any Presentation involving the Live Stream needs to have an active moderator on stand by to circumvent the repeat of what happened.
So what can we do to prevent this from happening again:
No sharing of personal information. No Alcohol on any formal panel. The Alliance Leadership Panel is now to be seen as an official panel. A CCP representative now aware of what to look for leading the panel especially if it will be live streamed.
Banning Mittens?.. is punishing the symptom not fixing the problem. As there will always be another mittens just under a different name. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:33:00 -
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if you remove the cause then you remove the effect.
The Mittani has felt bad about his actions. and had paid 11 Bill in isk to the victim and wrote a public letter of apology realizing his wrong doing..
Many people in several threads have threated or wished ill will of Mittani over the last few days... should we ban them too?
but all that is meaning less... we need to hit the cause of the problem not the symptom..
do not post personal information with in Eve. it is even in the TOS.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:53:00 -
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Joe South wrote:Okay, I actually watched the panel conversation. Alex (aka Mittens) clearly didn't plan to discuss one (of 22) character names of the player who tried to lay the guilt trip on Goonswarm for their hunting ice miners. He just blurted it out as an afterthought to a question at the very end of the session.
None of us knows whether this character has real-life mental health issues or not. We don't even know his true identity (unlike The Mittani). We cannot act as though every interaction with such an anonymous player should be considered a serious real-life issue.
As I wrote elsewhere, The Mattani showed horrible judgment by allowing himself to get this drunk in a public forum when he represents a player base. He appears to be immature and unprofessional. He came across as someone who thinks he is way smarter than he really is. Maybe he's that way all the time; maybe it's the way he thinks he is supposed to be when he's playing "Mittens" in front of a crowd. In any case, he needs some serious self-reflection, without a doubt.
These are not, however, sufficient reasons to force him out of his role as a CSM member. He isn't a CCP employee; he does not represent the company. There are no stated qualifications related to maturity, grace, and good judgment for him to remain in this role. He's been elected, and although he demonstrated zero sensibility, he is still qualified to fulfill his role as a CSM member. Don't like this? Then vote for someone else next time.
I agree, and from Here I remain silent as I don't think I can add any more. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
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