If indeed the person in question was suffering from mental health issues, then the actions you're defending are not even remotely funny.

You do spend a lot of time defending the Mittani in threads, so much so that it is noticeable. There's no law against defending the Mittani of course, but I just wonder if he gives you a bonus.

The more replys I see from the Mittani the more I tend to think he's not a person of good character.

You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game.

From what you've written, I take it Karadion is probably an alt of the Mittani?

If your actions goaded someone into doing something then you are at least partially responsible for the outcome. It's not just about someone making poor decisions some people can be influenced by others and in the case of people with mental health issues they're even more vulnerable.

I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens...

For you, I am going to join GoonWaffe under the guise of a completely new character, climb my way to the top and usurp you. Seeya in a few years!

you know that you are only making yourself look stupid here the further this goes. but wishing harm on another human being is just wrong. moral fiber is something insubstantial but how we are raised in respecting one another but it comes down to this is a game. Mittens is a CSM and has violated several rules that can get him removed as a CSM.

Being a lawyer he should have realized the implications of what would happen before he opened moth and shoved his **** stained foot in/ and the Goons show their support for mittens it only truely shows the people who you truely are.

Karma comes an goes good an bad all will get their just rewards in the end

I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing.

It's not the banks fault and in a lot of cases it may not be the person who pays the mortgage's fault either. Circumstances maybe preventing them from being able to pay. Banks do try to help if they can (how far depends on the bank and country), but banks have to take a tough line in the end because if they didn't people would scam them. But I'd hope that if they suspected someone was at real risk of harming themselves they would notify the right authority (not all countries may have a system for dealing with this, that I can't say).

Emotional blackmail never works in the long run and your advice might have been correct depending on the circumstances. But if you really think that your partner would harm themselves then it would be wise to get someone they know well to talk to them (might help put things into perspective) if you're not getting through to them.

You can influence the outcome of a threat and if you do that you're partially responsible.


If you're playing in-game using game mechanics (scamming is allowed) then you can't be held responsible. However, your actions after the scam could be viewed differently depending on what they were.

And you are the chair of the CSM

The OP has some very legit points.

Since that awful alliance panel I really respected The Mittani. I even had some respect for the Test Alliance people. But that was completly destroyed by that nonsense. Sorry Mittani, you seemed to be a very good CSM candidate so far, but you crossed a line here.

@Ladie Harlot: Since when is Goonswarm the "Third Reich"? I think you are clearly crossing a line here. I'm fine with what you do ingame and with many of your stupid mockings. But you are going way to far now with your comments.


Thankfully the chairman position doesn't mean much and there are over all much more respectable and sane CSM delegates left who can keep The Mittani in check.

Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.

You have to laugh.

All moons really baby. But tbh, I don't care who promotes it just as long as it gets done. Nuking that crap and turning it into a profession where real players sit in belts and take a genuine risk to make the income (while providing targets to roaming gangs) is the best change out of ccp in literally years. My paragraph above can be seen as satire if you like - as long as this still happens I'm cool with it.

I will mention that when this was suggested during CSM1 (by me and others) the then Goonswarm leader Darius Johnson went red in the face and blustered for about 20 minutes about how it would be the doom of eve and the sky would fall and it was completely insane to consider damaging the stablity (passive income aristocracy) of eve in this way.

So if Mittens genuinely is different to Darius in this way then good on him and maybe he was drinking from happiness afterall. I look forward to seeing him in his barge mining tech in nullsec and getting owned by 3 guys in bombers.

Let all the wimpy thin skinned faggots remove themselves from the gene pool if they so choose to. Who are we to stop them?

For crying out loud. If you really want to put pressure on CCP, then encourage 3rd party news/games sites need to pick up the 'controversy'. If you're in the US, then you can try writing your senator/congressman and see if you can't piggy back on the anti-online-bullying story. Contacting a cyber-bulling organization such as http://www.stopcyberbullying.org might work as well.

The only way you're going to get CCP to act on the supposed cyberbullying is to bully CCP into acting with the threat of bad PR.

/facepalm

In case you haven't noticed, the US population and internet blogs/sites in general have been in a "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" state for quite some time. Blogs and game sites need eyeballs and a scandal, whether true or blown out of proportion, is a great way to get hits/revenue. Most "real world" jerks know this and make damn sure to have a good spin doctor on staff and try to keep their asshattery out of the public eye.

IMHO, Mittanti has potentially screwed the pooch with his off-the-cuff and flip responses to the accusations. If CCP does feel the need to "do something" then Mitt has already painted himself into a corner. A little diplomacy/spin doctoring/maturity would have gone a long way to nipping the whole incident in the bud. Now there's a good chance it could turn into a problem that CCP "must" address with "severe" consequences to show how "concerned" and "serious" they are about < insert social issue here />.

The whole thing is just Stupid. Continuing to pour gas on a flaming ball of Stupid shows an amazing lack of political and diplomatic awareness.

"Everyone is out to get us, waaaa"

Guess what jerk. if you leave the basement and look around you will find out the world has suddenly woke up and become intolerante of bullies like yourself and your corp mates.

It is not "just you" or "just Goons", B U L L I E S everywhere are feeling the "love".

Right or wrong Mittani is gone. Its already hitting the media and with cyber bullying being as much of a hot button topic as it is, any company in their right mind would distance themselves as much as possible from something like this. He's gotsta go. All there is to it.

Seems to fall under this :

US General Law probably

Mittens only hides behind his alts all some 10k of them only to use them as sock puppets cause he cannot say much disparraging with his main toon.

Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.

felony = prison time

"It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person"

A great way to totally screw up your life.

Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished.

I have to say, the level of alt posting is so impressive, why can't you people man up and post with your mains? afraid your words will lose cred? will they have 0 cred atm, but maybe if you posted with your mains instead you would at least get some respect.

The amount of pubbies hiding behind in cowardice is truly impressive.

Harassment. Same law that prevents you from doing it in public or in the work place. Actually it is a bit worse on the internet cause I am pretty sure libel can come into play as well because it is considered published if it is on the internet.

You would need to talk to a lawyer to find out what applies. Generally, if you can't do it IRL, you can't do it online. That includes yelling insults and harassment at the mentally challenged.

What do you care?

I think this image speaks for my total disgust...

http://i39.tinypic.com/x3fm93.jpg

at anyone not laughing.

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Mittani.... Is that you?

I believe CCP has a base in Atlanta USA

Not that I think for a moment that the US will trouble itself over what mittens may or may not have said to another person is a foreign country.

Sounds like someones family has a wonderful wrongful death lawsuit to be filed against CCP and Mr Alexander Giaturco. Hopefully your law degree will save you in the federal court world.. Doubtful.

At least you can defend yourself! Pro Bono.

You MUST be kidding.

What he meant to say 'You're not a valued player, you're not goon. The opinions of others don't count for anything to me'

I actually find myself praying this goes to mainstream media and not only do you suffer the consequences in game, but you suffer for your actions outside of our sandbox that you have repeatedly tarnished for years.

Then why have you and your other goon friends spent hours here with your head up Mittani's ass responding to us pubbies?

It was maybe a joke to some people, but for other there's consequences.

The Wis says...

he is getting consequences now and is being harrased for no more reason that because Mittani said so. Which is against the Terms of Services of CCP... look it up.

+1 He's an idiot and not fit for purpose.

We had a guy in M. Corp that killed himself several years ago, it's not even remotely funny to make jokes about such things. Especially as for all too many people suffering from depression and similar conditions EVE is a refuge and form of escapism.

What is scary is some of these basement dwellers really think this behavior is "ok" IRL; they actually belive it.

Those who are like 12 year old boys have an excuse, they are just in that phase boys go through before they "discover" girls when they want to just destroy stuff because it is fun.

The rest just really made asses of themselves.

Then start a new thread for us pubbies to get internetmad in.

Then I say again: start a new post stating your case like the OP did.

Which makes it even worse. Not helping yourself.

How is this even a matter of debate? Mittani clearly violated the TOS and as a consequence should at the very least be removed from the CSM. Anyone who thinks what The Mittani did was acceptable are sadly misinformed.

You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.

I bet he doesn't remember signing anything.

He's a lawyer in real life right?

Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name.

I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.

Now this idea sounds fun don't you think?

No it doesn't. Search for: Ravi & Tyler Clementi

Also this involved a hatecrime due to harresment of sexuality it does somehow stand out. New Jersey even changed the law with regards to bullying!

"I'm not sure why you are defending a manchild who got divorced over his addiction to Eve Online through the usage of his 22 accounts. That idiot brought up that he might off himself. Mittani never solicited him to do it in the first place. You're acting that using suicide to get their way is a perfectly acceptable method when it's not. ALl I see here are crybabies looking for an excuse, anything, to get the goons banned from the game. I've scammed at least 80 miners during the mining interdiction and at least 4 of them have threatened to kill themselves if I don't give back their isk. It's not my damn problem that they are willing to try and use it as a bargaining chip. If anything, threatening suicide in this game should be an instant permaban. "

There are drama queens online constantly throwing that threat that they will kill themself around in MMO's.

It has been going on all the way back to DikuMuds on the Telnet many years ago.

Scenario:

You (the playerkiller) kill their character.

They convo you and drop a variation of the phrase, "I'm thinking of killing myself."

THE PERSON THREATENING THIS IS A CLASSIC GRIEFER TRYING TO BAIT YOU INTO GETTING YOURSELF INTO TROUBLE, they are simply trying to get you to violate ingame policy since you defeated them.

Your best reaction at this time is to report them to whatever authority the game has to cover your own backside.

Then you should deny the attention ***** what they want most. Attention. Add them to ignore or block them or whatever you do in the game to never read one more character of text that character ever attempts to send to you.

Time will go on and eventually the griefer player will get bored with the game and go be a griefer in another game.