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Twulf
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:11:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? Neither since he didn't do anything wrong.
Wrong, He did something wrong, he tried to start an event to get someone to kill themselves, that is wrong. It does not matter how you spin it, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. End of Debate.
Your parents failed as parents if you do not understand someting as simple as this. Everyone should know right from wrong at this point in their life, if not your parents were bad parents. It is wrong to try and gather a group of people who's goal is to push someone to kill themselves. How is that not wrong?
Reguardless of this being a video game or not, trying to get someone to kill themselves is WRONG.
You need to get a clue. Idiots like you are the problem with the world, too dumb to know how stupid they are. |

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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:20:00 -
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Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT.
Game related fuction. Still falls under the EULA and TOS my friend. You goons are funny, little sheep running around protecting dear leader. Where is dear leader at anyway? If he was a real man, he would come say he was sorry and put this whole thing to bed but nope, the little coward is hiding and letting you sheep post away for him. |

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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:47:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:Twulf wrote:Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT. Game related fuction. Still falls under the EULA and TOS my friend. You goons are funny, little sheep running around protecting dear leader. Where is dear leader at anyway? If he was a real man, he would come say he was sorry and put this whole thing to bed but nope, the little coward is hiding and letting you sheep post away for him. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.aspYou will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. so is fanfest game servers or website and u dont sign a eula to go to fanfest
You do understand that this will not stand up in the court of law.... Just like the sign's that say "Play at your own risk" do not stand up in court.
They are responsible for what happens because of their game by law. Sorry, you should get informed, its not like we live in the information age or anything. Oh right we do. |

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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:01:00 -
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Aileren wrote:Twulf wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? Neither since he didn't do anything wrong. Wrong, He did something wrong, he tried to start an event to get someone to kill themselves, that is wrong. It does not matter how you spin it, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. End of Debate. Your parents failed as parents if you do not understand someting as simple as this. Everyone should know right from wrong at this point in their life, if not your parents were bad parents. It is wrong to try and gather a group of people who's goal is to push someone to kill themselves. How is that not wrong? Reguardless of this being a video game or not, trying to get someone to kill themselves is WRONG. You need to get a clue. Idiots like you are the problem with the world, too dumb to know how stupid they are. Prove actual malice please.
Why would I have to prove actual malice? He clearly said that if you wish to get this person to kill themselves and gave out the person info. Reguardless of malice, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves.
We are not talking about a court case here were I have to prove anything. This is about right and wrong. It is WRONG to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. What do you not understand? Clearly you do not understand logic or common sense and clearly your parents failed at being parents. |

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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:14:00 -
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I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil." |

Twulf
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:19:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:We are not talking about a court case here were I have to prove anything. This is about right and wrong. It is WRONG to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. What do you not understand? Clearly you do not understand logic or common sense and clearly your parents failed at being parents. I didn't realize that RIGHT and WRONG were dictated by Eve Online player Twulf.
Wow you are nothing more then a troll or an idiot or both.
RIGHT and WRONG are not dictated by myself. There is just RIGHT and WRONG. Simple things that your parents clearly failed to teach you.
It is WRONG to try and push someone to kill themselves. The RIGHT thing to do would be to seek help for said person, not try and push them over the edge.
This is called common sense or common knowledge. You should have learned RIGHT and WRONG from your parents, which clearly sucked as parents if they failed to teach you such a simple life lesson. |

Twulf
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:22:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire. Confirming that the US congress has jurisdiction over a video game made by a company in Iceland.
How can you be this stupid? Seriously its an honest question.
The US can ban the import of the video game from Iceland. They can ban US internet companies from allowing connections to the CCP servers. They could do a bunch of things to make sure that EVE is not allowed to be played in the USA.
There are a few games that are banned in the USA that you can play in other countries, this would not be the first time nor will it be the last.
God how can you be this dumb? How on earth do you not hurt yourself while typing? |

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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:24:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Twulf wrote:I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil." Wow. Are you even from the US? Say what you will about our foreign policy, but the US banning EvE would be a blatant violation of the 1st amendment of our constitution. I mean, some idiot republican running for pres recently mentioned banning hard core **** and was pretty much an instant laughing stock. The ONLY thing they could ever do is restrict it for under 18 y/o people so they would need parental consent. It would have no effect on the player base at all. AT ALL. In fact, the publicity of even attempting that would probably result in a healthy bump to the subscriber base. If you are in the US I would bet you are a ****** junkie. I've read some dumb stuff today but this is definitely the dumbest thing I've read.
God you sir are an idiot. There are currently video games that are banned for sale in the USA but can be played in other countries. The US government can ban any product from entering the USA at anytime, they have that power. EVE online is a video game. A video game is a product. Any product can be banned from entering the country. How hard is that to understand?
You live in the USA and you do not know how this country works? How sad. |

Twulf
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:26:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet.
Show me where I said that the US law covers the entire planet? I said that the US could ban EVE online from the USA. Which they can do by law as the US government can ban any product from entering this country. That is a fact.
Maybe you should learn to read or understand what you read. **** just understand anything for that matter would do you wonders. |

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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:08:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Twulf wrote:How can you be this stupid? Seriously its an honest question.
God how can you be this dumb? How on earth do you not hurt yourself while typing? Oh cool the "how can you be this dumb?" game! I've got next: Congress isn't going to act unless there's something in it for them - either money or goodwill from their voterbase. Goodwill from their voterbase would require the public to (a) know about this and to (b) give a **** about it. For this to happen, some major news source would have to pick up the story and run with it, which means they'd have to call it cyber-bullying and interview The Wis about it. Not only does The Wis seem pretty much not-too-bothered about the whole thing, he's also an adult. Cyber-bullying is a hot topic because it falls under the "think of the children" banner, which is pretty much incompatible with an adult, especially one who doesn't seem bothered by what transpired (not anymore, anyway). I guess the TL;DR is "how can you be this dumb? How on earth do you not hurt yourself while typing?"
Look another goon that cannot read. I clearly said that it would be worst case but I guess that is to hard for idiots like you to understand.
All that would need to happen btw is for an eager Congress person to jump on this issue and use it as example A for why we need their new X law. There are enough anti- gamer groups out there now that I am sure they have an ear of some congress person. This is worst case, this is not going to happen unless everything falls into line just right and I am not saying it should happen. What I am saying, acting like this is some innocent trash talking is just plain silly, it is more than that, anyone with common sense can see that. That is why you goons don't understand. Common sense is not very common with you all.
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:37:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Manar Detri wrote:
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game).
Not just ganking, if you can't see how this gets gamed I can lay out just ONE way. Say we have a fight, you win, I get mad. I write a letter to you including my rl Email address in it talking about how sad ive been and all the terribly sloppy thoughts that go with scumbags that think like that. I wait 2 weeks, make a bunch of **** up and send it to my Email address using a VPN to mask where it came from (this won't be an FBI investigation, it'll suffer a cursory examination, and thats all it needs) and then petition you using the mails I received in your name. Those mails crafted to be mocking, supporting suicide, complete with missives to other corp members directing them to grief myself. That took 3 minutes to think up. This sets the bar for that, you can think it won't, but it will.
" using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about. |

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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:46:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: " using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about.
A VPN masks your IP, your IP, would be "where it came from". Thats what I meant when I said "to mask where it came from". Since you're so up on the lingo I just assumed you'd know thats whats meant when dealing with digital items.
No, VPN does nothing to mask your IP address. So I had no idea what you where trying to say because it made zero sense. VPN gives you a second IP address that gives you access to a certain network. You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN.
To do what your talking about is not that hard but it is not called VPN. |

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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:51:00 -
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David Carel wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Manar Detri wrote:
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game).
Not just ganking, if you can't see how this gets gamed I can lay out just ONE way. Say we have a fight, you win, I get mad. I write a letter to you including my rl Email address in it talking about how sad ive been and all the terribly sloppy thoughts that go with scumbags that think like that. I wait 2 weeks, make a bunch of **** up and send it to my Email address using a VPN to mask where it came from (this won't be an FBI investigation, it'll suffer a cursory examination, and thats all it needs) and then petition you using the mails I received in your name. Those mails crafted to be mocking, supporting suicide, complete with missives to other corp members directing them to grief myself. That took 3 minutes to think up. This sets the bar for that, you can think it won't, but it will. " using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about. You make a email account over the VPN. You send the email over the VPN. As long the VPN provider has no logs, you're perfectly safe. ******* ******** pubbies I swear.
Do you know what VPN is? Every VPN provider has logs you moron, dear god where do you come up with this crap? VPN - Virtual private network. Used to allow users to access their corporation network via any internet connection. Also most VPNs do not mask or change your IP address, they create, wait for it, a virtual connection with its own IP address, you still have the IP address you used to access the internet, so you are not hiding anything from someone who knows what they are looking for. Again what you want to do is not hard but it is not VPN, it called bot nets. You can buy them and use them, they will hide your internet traffic.
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:00:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right
Do you know what VPN is?
A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address?
VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network.
Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again?
VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish. |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:02:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote:Also most VPNs do not mask or change your IP address,they create, wait for it, a virtual connection with its own IP address, you still have the IP address you used to access the internet, so you are not hiding anything from someone who knows what they are looking for.
Man, its almost like connecting to the internet through a different IP would mask your native IP......
It does not mask it. It has two different adapters active. One has your native IP and one has your VPN IP. both are there. they are not hidden. What do you not get?
If you know what your looking for, there is only a few ways to truly mask your IP and VPN is not one of them.
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:08:00 -
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David Carel wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right Do you know what VPN is? A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address? VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network. Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again? VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish. Shut the **** up
Why, your small brain cannot handle correct information. Oh your a goon, dear leader must not be around to explain the big words to you. |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:11:00 -
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Jonathan Malcom wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right Do you know what VPN is? A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address? VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network. Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again? VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish. Hi. I work for a major US ISP. I help people connect to VPNs through their PCs at home all the time. You're an idiot.
Hi. I am a Network Admin for IBM. I do this everyday.
If what you say was correct, then you know that VPN creates another adapter, you have your Internet connection and your VPN adapter now. Both have an IP address, one creates a tunnel to their network, the other gives them access tot he outside world. End of story. |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
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A VPN masks your IP.
https://www.privatetunnel.com/
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Lol, We know not to believe everything we read on the internet and on marketing correct? I guess not.
Norton Anti Virus also claims to stop virus, spyware and spam email.
You can mask your IP but using VPN to do so is not even close to the best or smartest option. An expert wanting to track an email would have no issues doing so if you used VPN to mask your traffic. You act like hackers smarter then both of us don't get caught all the time and they mask their IPs via BOT NETs.
Please stop this nonsense. You clearly do not know what your talking about.
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