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Darth Eradicate
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:16:00 -
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^ ' ' '
Now that was worth the wait!!
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5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Visilious
Originally by: 5h3M4l3 Edited by: 5h3M4l3 on 07/09/2008 07:07:14 with what?
ps. troll all you want, bro... you are not gonna change fact that 300-320M for 60 days of 'lag-online' is more than enough.
{sigh}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugular_vein
Start cutting there.... please proceed to your next most favorite artery.
As far as the price of the GTC, you have more than EXCELLENT explanations above to why the prices are where they are. If you need more evidence of the market at play let me ask you why you haven't received the GTC you seek at the price you want? The answer is simply because you can't!
hey, you supposed to go to bed, didnt you?
Setting the correct ETCs prices since 2005
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5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Visilious
Originally by: 5h3M4l3 Edited by: 5h3M4l3 on 07/09/2008 07:07:14 with what?
ps. troll all you want, bro... you are not gonna change fact that 300-320M for 60 days of 'lag-online' is more than enough.
{sigh}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugular_vein
Start cutting there.... please proceed to your next most favorite artery.
As far as the price of the GTC, you have more than EXCELLENT explanations above to why the prices are where they are. If you need more evidence of the market at play let me ask you why you haven't received the GTC you seek at the price you want? The answer is simply because you can't!
you were saying?
i endorse this product and/or service
Your character john roe has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Dyanisis for 300 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 307757-3884F92C
Your character K1cia has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Marros Thiben for 310 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 307233-EAEEE194
Your character Lorgoth has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from fubbleskag for 300 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 305862-F0A8AF9D
Your character john roe has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from JAM2 for 300 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 304297-58623100
Your character silver babe has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Adyin for 320 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 304306-C881844D
Your character Ringlord has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Adyin for 320 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 304303-37E141C0
Your character Lorin Edehiel has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Adyin for 320 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 304304-31B49638
thanks for reading. cheers
Setting the correct ETCs prices since 2005
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5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:20:00 -
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no fake trans. will change my mind. me and many others know what this game is realy worth... if they are still playing cause many have left already.
Setting the correct ETCs prices since 2005
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Visilious
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Visilious on 07/09/2008 07:24:29 you were saying?
i endorse this product and/or service
Your character john roe has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Dyanisis for 300 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 307757-3884F92C
Your character K1cia has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Marros Thiben for 310 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 307233-EAEEE194
Your character Lorgoth has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from fubbleskag for 300 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 305862-F0A8AF9D
Your character john roe has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from JAM2 for 300 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 304297-58623100
Your character silver babe has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Adyin for 320 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 304306-C881844D
Your character Ringlord has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Adyin for 320 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 304303-37E141C0
Your character Lorin Edehiel has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from Adyin for 320 000 000,00 zł ISK
Transaction reference: 304304-31B49638
thanks for reading. cheers
I saw this earlier and without dates it is irrelevant. These are prices from last week and maybe 2 weeks ago. It reminds me of the e-mail from Bill Gates and if you forward it to 27 people you will get $50.00 . You will get your 50.00 fomr Bill Gates before you get an Eve GTC for 320Mil.
Have you started cutting yet? You promised!
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5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:22:00 -
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Jormungand Altruis
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: 5h3M4l3 no fake trans. will change my mind. me and many others know what this game is realy worth... if they are still playing cause many have left already.
60 ISK430,000,000.00 sold I got 430 mil earlier today, your "correct ETC price" isn't necessarily correct. Its up to you to decide how much you want to pay, but other people are apparently deciding otherwise. |
5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:46:00 -
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...yeah, either that or closing accounts. you are absolutely right. |
Ami Nia
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Posted - 2008.09.07 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: 5h3M4l3 Setting the correct ETCs prices since 2005
And failing since july 2008.
You fail to understand that the "correct price" is not an absolute value. It depends on the moment. Three weeks ago 320-350m was a "correct" price. Six or seven weeks from now, something like 360-380 will probably be the correct price. And yet, now, 480-500m is a correct price. And for the next 3 weeks it could go up to 550 or more, and STILL be a "correct" price.
Also you blame this on the sellers, failing to understand that the sellers are simply asking the current correct price. The fluctuations are due to the number of buyers and to the availability of isks in the buyers hands.
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal So we can 1 v 1 with Garmon.
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5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: 5h3M4l3 on 07/09/2008 08:48:46 are you on a permanent basis here, mate or something?
since 60s cost as much as old 90s and 90s were for 300-350M usualy i see no reason to pay more than 320 for 60s. it's simple logic, mate. no fake sell, no fake buy post nor any troll is gonna change it.
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Hyperdallas
Caldari Last of the Technocracy Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.09.07 09:04:00 -
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just stop raising the ****ing prices, and ccp wtf we loose 30 more days of game time and yet we pay 100m more isk... blarg! meh! Yarr |
5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hyperdallas just stop raising the ****ing prices, and ccp wtf we loose 30 more days of game time and yet we pay 100m more isk... blarg! meh!
word...
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2008.09.07 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: 5h3M4l3 Edited by: 5h3M4l3 on 07/09/2008 08:48:46 are you on a permanent basis here, mate or something?
Sure. I like markets. I've been studying this forum for over one year now. But you are a regular too. Except you use different alts.
And for whoever earlier told you that those prices without date do nor mean anything: that's right. Especially because they ARE from earlier. Proof being the fact that she had posted them already a couple of weeks ago.
Originally by: 5h3M4l3 since 60s cost as much as old 90s and 90s were for 300-350M usualy i see no reason to pay more than 320 for 60s. it's simple logic, mate. no fake sell, no fake buy post nor any troll is gonna change it.
You fail at reading. I have already explained that the old prices were significant only for one week after they introduced the 60d GTCs. There are several forces that act on a market. And if an initial price for a good does depend on price history of similar goods, within few days of the introduction the price history means nothing and market forces are the predominant price makers.
The mere fact that there still were 30d GTCs available (stockpiled and sold later) after the introduction of the 60d ones is a force that alone pushed up the price of the 60d GTCs by at least 100m a piece above the value you could compute by historical price. This force only acted during july, however. The fact that some people have already subscribed for multiple years, is a force that pushes the prices up. The fact that a lot of people renew during the very last 10-15 days before expiration, is another inflationary force. The fact that many multiple-account subscribers reduced the number of accounts they play with, is yet another force that pushes prices up.
The above three forces are long term: they are three among the many that explain why this month the prices are above what they were in july and why they will be even higher in november.
Originally by: Hyperdallas just stop raising the ****ing prices, and ccp wtf we loose 30 more days of game time and yet we pay 100m more isk... blarg! meh!
CCP has nothing to do with this. Or maybe: has a very indirect influence by setting the rules and the limits. The market is done by the players (in this case by the buyers).
Consider the GTC prices like Jita lag. What happens if you go to Jita on Sunday primetime? What if you do it on tuesday at server restart?
Same here: buy in the upcoming 3-4 weeks and you already know what you'll get. You could have known it since ... since they announced the 60d cards!
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal So we can 1 v 1 with Garmon.
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5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 09:53:00 -
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the fact is that 60s are worth 320M max, mate. not even billion posts gonna change it.
Setting the correct ETCs prices since 2005
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5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 09:56:00 -
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"The fact that many multiple-account subscribers reduced the number of accounts they play with, is yet another force that pushes prices up."
o.0
where did you study your economics? in Malarky Univerity of Reversed Economy?
jesus, dude. take a brake, go to town,... go to town.
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Darth Vindictus
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Posted - 2008.09.07 10:00:00 -
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LOL!!! 5h or john roe..whoever you are....EPIC FAIL. Either you do not understand or simply cannot comprehend that the VALUE of a code is determined by the going market rate not by your opinion.
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5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Vindictus LOL!!! 5h or john roe..whoever you are....EPIC FAIL. Either you do not understand or simply cannot comprehend that the VALUE of a code is determined by the going market rate not by your opinion.
...nor yours
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.07 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Vindictus LOL!!! 5h or john roe..whoever you are....EPIC FAIL. Either you do not understand or simply cannot comprehend that the VALUE of a code is determined by the going market rate not by your opinion.
Intriguing, you call out epic fail (not just fail) and then point to "market forces" you obviously don't understand. Going market rate is essentially the median price that is agreeable to both sellers and buyers. Sometimes it is a buyer's market, like now apparently, and sometimes it is not. Some very intelligent posts in this thread but you really should not piggy back upon the genius of others when you can't even hold a candle to light your way. You really should have gone to bed. You'd sound less stupid and your mom wouldn't be so upset.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Darth Vindictus LOL!!! 5h or john roe..whoever you are....EPIC FAIL. Either you do not understand or simply cannot comprehend that the VALUE of a code is determined by the going market rate not by your opinion.
Intriguing, you call out epic fail (not just fail) and then point to "market forces" you obviously don't understand. Going market rate is essentially the median price that is agreeable to both sellers and buyers. Sometimes it is a buyer's market, like now apparently, and sometimes it is not. Some very intelligent posts in this thread but you really should not piggy back upon the genius of others when you can't even hold a candle to light your way. You really should have gone to bed. You'd sound less stupid and your mom wouldn't be so upset.
haha... owned.
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Kukla Kolduna
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Posted - 2008.09.07 10:42:00 -
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Да вообще уроды! Цены какие то нереальные, шо пиздец!
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5h3M4l3
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Posted - 2008.09.07 10:49:00 -
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no zebym ciebie jeszcze noobku zrozumial.. kurna, jak chcesz cos powiedziec to w Englishu nawijaj a nie po afgansku.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.07 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Eradicate Well when you look at it, the old 30 days used to go for 200-400 mil a piece. the 90 day used to go for 600-800 a piece...so the 60 day should technically go for about 400-600 a piece. I'm not sure why people sell them so low..I won't sell below 500.
Wrong,all frakin wrong. 30days used to go for 180-200mil max. 90 day gtcs used to go for 350-400mil max. I know cause I bought several gtcs for some of my accounts. Lets put it this way, i haven't sent a penny to ccp directly to run at least 1 account this year so far and it has been a mixture of 30 and 90 day gtcs.
these "prices" now are complete bs. I would honestly suggest people stop buying gtcs over 400mil. The sellers of gtcs are NOT the only ones with power. I'm not suggesting pumping them for as much as possible as they are trying to do to the gtc buyers but to strike a happy medium.
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2008.09.07 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kukla Kolduna Да вообще уроды! Цены какие то нереальные, шо пиздец!
Unfortunately for you these prices are very real. If anything is f**king up the situation it is buyers unwillingness to plan ahead.
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal So we can 1 v 1 with Garmon.
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GigaSpeed
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Posted - 2008.09.07 12:45:00 -
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Кто нибудь может внятно, и по русски ответить почему такие большие цены на Тайм коды? Опять наверное ЦЦП вмешалось в экономику.
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BaliAgha
Nightmare Inc. CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: BaliAgha on 07/09/2008 13:12:21
I like the discussions and understand that not everyone thinks that isk farmers or scams are at work here. Either way if you disagree or agree with OP that something could be done on how you post on forums regarding sell/buy orders for GTC's.
When prices go from 350 mil to 450 mil, almost 25% mark up, something doesn't seem right.
Suggestions on what could be done are not looked down upon. Please do not suggest that its the way things are because thats why we are talking about it in this post, to possibly make things different from where they are now to help cut scams down and possible isk farmers.
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WallStArb
CyberDyne R-D
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:17:00 -
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90d GTCs went for 300 mil for years. But to be honest seems like this games popularity is waning. I've noticed numbers declining and people online goign down lately.
Some must die so others may become infinite CapitalMax Ships CyberDyne R-DÖ
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BaliAgha
Nightmare Inc. CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.09.08 15:19:00 -
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People are trying to sell 500+ mil for a 60 day... come on, who is paying for these things? I suggest no one is but people are saying they are. ---------
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Jenkins Leroy
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Posted - 2008.09.08 15:26:00 -
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There is to much orders in TB and is hard to know what is happening. CCP should split TB forum in at least 4-6 sections:
1 for WTB 30D GTC orders 2 for WTB 60D GTC orders 3 for WTS 30D GTC orders 4 for WTS 60D GTC orders 5 Others orders.
Of course it is only beggining and this will not resolve fake/sell-buy problems. But this step will make TB a bit less valuable to manipulations.
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DoctorWu
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Posted - 2008.09.08 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: BaliAgha People are trying to sell 500+ mil for a 60 day... come on, who is paying for these things? I suggest no one is but people are saying they are.
500 seems high but its not that far off from reality. I sold one for 450 on Friday. I just watched the boards and waited for a WTB order that seemed high enough. There are buyers who need a card NOW and are willing to pay a premium to get it quickly, and there are other buyers who have plenty of time and don't mind waiting for a good deal.
It's a classic free market - supply and demand. Demand is high, price will be high, demand is low, price will be low. Not sure why thats so difficult for everyone to understand.
The one poster who says a 60day GTC isn't worth more than 320m or whatever it was, nothing wrong with that at all, thats all a gtc is worth to them and if they have enough patience, eventually they'll be able to get one for that price, clearly they have or they wouldn't be playing any more. Some people have a lot more isk than others and an extra 100m is worth it to pay for the convenience of not having to monitor the GTC bazzar for a week to find the lowest price.
I've looked at this at a lot of different angles, and I'm not sure how someone would go about scamming with the secure system thats in place. Why would someone buy their own GTC? You can't resell GTC's you've purchased through the bazzar.
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DoctorWu
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Posted - 2008.09.08 16:09:00 -
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Look at this post...clearly demonstrates my point:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=867321
This guy was DESPERATE to get in and play, didn't care, paid 500isk because he probably has billions of isk laying around doing nothing.
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