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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 07/09/2008 15:28:14
Blah, the forums are quite laggy atm.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Alex555
i think that Lavista and Serenity Steele may be the ones since they are deputies :)
I don't think so at all actually.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.07 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Third, stop trying to convince Shar/Ray/etc that this is a needed idea. They hate anyone talking about their ISK, that isn't something you're going to change.
I'm not so secretive as all that. If a fair methodology comes forth I'll be more than happy to submit myself for review. Shucks, even as a test case. I'm not so much against the idea just a bit dubious about methodologies mentioned so far. Though I think Jita value assessment is probably the best way to go. If someone designed an app I'd suggest something that pulls the asset list via API and then pulls price points from Eve Central's API as well. (I do something similar to this already via MS Access.) The price point I'd use is lowest sell order. Naturally most people would not "jigger" the market via a low ball sell order. Perhaps a cross index by also having the highest buy order as well. Gives a comparative range of sorts if you incorporate both numbers. (I.e. Shar's Assets = 130 - 180 M.) If the programmer dares, have the final report as a created sig banner (in compliance with forum rules) that has a nice good random watermarking to foil photo-shopping efforts. I'd simply have it mark value and date of assessment. I'm not going to say it is totally infallible but this method is somewhat what I discussed at eBank when we talked about how to assess loan applicants. Oh, my second objection (likely my biggest one) is the measuring contest that is. Not that I fear my measurement, at all, just I find that such things tend to bring out the worst in people. (See fraud and ransoming.)
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Wheya
Amarr
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Posted - 2008.09.07 16:46:00 -
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I remember during beta CCP released a list of the most wealthy corporations. This happened at the time when you could build smartbombs for cheaper then you were able to refine them. In other words: this was a list of the corps with the biggest cheaters in them during that time.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.09.07 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Alex555
anyways ccp is intrested in such rating.
Umm...proof????
or seriously STFU
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.09.07 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alex555
as for accounts in banks. ask your bank manager to prove your bank account
I am Treelox's bank manager. I can confirm he has eleventy trillion ISK deposited with me. Honest.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.09.07 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Shadarle
Third, stop trying to convince Shar/Ray/etc that this is a needed idea. They hate anyone talking about their ISK, that isn't something you're going to change.
Oh, my second objection (likely my biggest one) is the measuring contest that is. Not that I fear my measurement, at all, just I find that such things tend to bring out the worst in people. (See fraud and ransoming.)
I'd say though, about your first argument. I don't think it really matters right now how the wealth is measured or submitted. So what if it isn't completely accurate right now. Just get a list started and put *'s next to names of people who don't submit either detailed screenshots or api keys. Eventually if it is indeed popular you can remove all people who don't provide that info. But at least get things started, stop worrying about making it 100% perfect since there is no way to do that.
There will always be a way to attack this on its accuracy. IMO that's something you accept if you wish to participate in this or use it as any sort of benchmark. If you aren't OK with it then don't participate, very simple.
If you dislike people measuring their wealth then don't measure your own. Just don't try to stop others from measuring their own if they wish to and most definitely don't try to derail the effort to allow them to do so.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:39:00 -
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Hmm, i can't seem to get my resolution adjusted to be able to fit all the zeros on one screen shot. I'll have to splice several together.
To Ray: I can't seem to find a ruler big enough to handle imaginary measurements as large as mine so I'm headed to the hardware store for a tape measure. 
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Hmm, i can't seem to get my resolution adjusted to be able to fit all the zeros on one screen shot. I'll have to splice several together.
To Ray: I can't seem to find a ruler big enough to handle imaginary measurements as large as mine so I'm headed to the hardware store for a tape measure.
Yeah, going for the floppy measuring device for that is probably better than the stiff one 
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.09.08 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
[justify] Originally by: Ricdic
This will only work with T1 items and blueprints, t2 and named won't be valued correctly nor anything else that doesn't have a mineral value
Then why bother mate? If this method is your suggestion one only needs to use the API to pull assets and then use the static export to pull the "default" isk values.
Isn't that the exact same thing with twice as much work? The only way I would call your way better is if you have assets split over tons of stations and if you are technically proficient enough to do as you say (which the general joe isn't)
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Rho'varo
Minmatar
Diversified Operational Services
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Posted - 2008.09.08 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Hmm, I can't seem to get my resolution adjusted to be able to fit all the zeros on one screen shot. I'll have to splice several together.
I'm making my screenshot right now. Incidentally, does anyone know how many ones and zeroes there are in eleventy kazillion?
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.08 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Hmm, i can't seem to get my resolution adjusted to be able to fit all the zeros on one screen shot. I'll have to splice several together.
To Ray: I can't seem to find a ruler big enough to handle imaginary measurements as large as mine so I'm headed to the hardware store for a tape measure.
It is a simple matter. You need imaginary numbers. Such insights are why your wealth will always be paltry compared to my pulsating assets.
Another problem is that "screenshot" implies two dimensions and my wealth cannot be adequately expressed in a small number of dimensions. Alex555, you will receive a higher dimensional encoding. I'll also have to employ quantized transfinite ordinals. I hope this doesn't cause problems for your scheme.
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Effei Gloom
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 14:56:00 -
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email with proof for my 103b sent
I don't care about putting my name next to it, so go ahead
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SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.09.08 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
I post the following as an Individual and not a representative of EBANK, BSA, either of the organization's members or their affiliates.
One thing to consider...
Everyone here wants something to strive for, as much as an e-peen competition sounds like a bad idea. You have to agree a Ranking system does have a side effect to strive to be the best.
On the same token however there is something to be said about the unknown. Just how wealthy are you compared to someone else. That unknown factor is also a very large enabler to strive for the best. Remember the cold war was all about who had the most military might and who had the best economy to support that military power.
I think in terms of us here, we have a similar cold war effect in place. We all know some people have a load of ISK and assets, just how much is not clear. That's actually just as good as a motivator as a defined list and rank to where you stand.
That said... I don't want to be part of this 
Amarr for Life |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 05:05:00 -
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Hi, i don't like sending emails, but you can see a link to the screenshot of my wallet in my forum sig.
It's one month old, can't make a new one since most of the isk is currently invested.
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.09.09 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Hi, i don't like sending emails, but you can see a link to the screenshot of my wallet in my forum sig.
It's one month old, can't make a new one since most of the isk is currently invested.
Pardon me for asking but what the devil did you invest 335b in? The only things I can think of that would support that kind of cash are cap ships, mineral speculation, and maybe a gigantic POS chain.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Yakia TovilToba on 09/09/2008 05:24:47
Originally by: Frenden Dax
Pardon me for asking but what the devil did you invest 335b in? The only things I can think of that would support that kind of cash are cap ships, mineral speculation, and maybe a gigantic POS chain.
Most of it is used for a market manipulation campagin, but of course i won't say what item, as someone with a big wallet could easily ruin the campaign and profit from it, when he notices that someone is trying to artificially push or lower prices of a certain item or group of items.
But just for the records: the last one was a large-scale nocxium manipulation, and if you want to successfully manipulate the market of such a high-volume item, few hundred billion look quite small and allow only short-term market maneuvers.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.09.09 05:32:00 -
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You wouldn't want to make a typing mistake with that wallet amount. With EBANK I make sure not to have more than about 15b on hand max on the off-chance I give someone too much in withdrawals etc. With you (and trading in Jita) an accidental couple of zero's in the wrong side of the decimal point on an obelisk buy order region wide would be devastating. Insta-buy 30 Obelisks in the forge at 8b each and your wealth is almost insta-gone.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 05:55:00 -
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I agree on this, and most of the trades are done with multiple other chars all across eve tradehubs, that's only the central holder char.
But i remember well how frustrating a typo-mistake can be, although it was years ago. I lost only around 200 mil, but back then it was like one third of my assets, and such a lesson makes you hyper-cautions when typing in ammounts of isk anywhere
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b1zz
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Posted - 2008.09.09 08:59:00 -
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I don't think rich players--at least the smart ones--would want to be on any list of this sought. The only way I would imagine it getting up is if it were completely controlled by CCP, the actual ISK figures were not published (just a simple ranking list of names) and it was an optional feature that players had to opt IN to if they were interested.
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Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.09 10:14:00 -
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little by little but the process is going
I am glad that people have responded positivly
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.09.09 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alex555
I am glad that people have responded positivly
what no "mad props" for those that didnt? I am hurt, truely and deeply. |
Young Steptoe
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Alex555
I am glad that people have responded positivly
what no "mad props" for those that didnt? I am hurt, truely and deeply.
Nothing is done by those that say it cannot be done.
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Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.10 04:29:00 -
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.09.10 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
You wouldn't want to make a typing mistake with that wallet amount. With EBANK I make sure not to have more than about 15b on hand max on the off-chance I give someone too much in withdrawals etc. With you (and trading in Jita) an accidental couple of zero's in the wrong side of the decimal point on an obelisk buy order region wide would be devastating. Insta-buy 30 Obelisks in the forge at 8b each and your wealth is almost insta-gone.
Thus you make sure you don't make that mistake.
I realize most people think that a monumental mistake can happen to anyone. That's something people tell themselves to make themselves feel better about the mistakes they've made.
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.09.10 05:09:00 -
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It's common sense really. You don't take a boat out to sea without life jackets just because you think you are a capable ship captain. I have never made any monumental errors before (I think the most was about 20m) however I don't put myself in a position where (on the off chance) if this occurs it causes phenomenal financial loss.
If you are doing this Shadarle you are putting a considerable risk on your own funds. It only takes one time to completely wipe you out. It may not be today or tomorrow but it could happen. If you enjoy taking this gamble then by all means continue to do so. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.10 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
I realize most people think that a monumental mistake can happen to anyone. That's something people tell themselves to make themselves feel better about the mistakes they've made.
Isn't that like saying that you are a christian person who has never been jealous?
I have made mistakes too. But I never made any mistake that cost me over 10mill.
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Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.10 15:21:00 -
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now i am glad that i've got another entry since the astonishing number one was published.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:01:00 -
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I'd suggest looking over that list on post 2 and fixing it. It's either got some incorrectly entered values or it is not in numerical order.
I'd also suggest using comma's every three digits and periods for the decimal places, as is common among most of the people reading this forum. Using spaces instead of commas and commas instead of periods makes the reading much tougher for me and I'd imagine others. Especially since you are using left formatting instead of right formatting, which makes it much harder to determine the size of the numbers at a quick glance. Of course you could also use right formatting... it's right there in the posting/editing window :)
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Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
I'd also suggest using comma's every three digits and periods for the decimal places, as is common among most of the people reading this forum.
There is actually a lot of different number formats around the world.... Linkage
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