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Alexandra Belani	Posted - 2004.06.14 09:51:00 - [61] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Jade Constantia PA defeated and the principle of freespace in Pureblind sustained. PA victorious and a new dark age of oppression losed upon the north. PA does not oppose free space in Pure Blind in any way shape or form - except for its declared enemies of course. And we all know that PA are baaaad and eat babies, but I'm a bit unsure why it is supposed to be PA who is trying to start a 'dark age of oppression'. It is you who invaded PA, not the other way round. The only ones PA may be trying to 'oppress' are those who attacked us, which is a quite natural reaction in my opinion. PA has retained a corporation within its walls which was caught charging people for entry to mine in Pureblind and Tribute. That is NOT supporting freespace in Pureblind. Alex Out Like this sig? Check out my sig shoppe.. Zen Jakkaru - "Alexandra Belani (Most sexy terr
Shirei	Posted - 2004.06.14 09:55:00 - [62] Yay, keep digging up incidents from months ago, if it makes you happy. As far as I can remember the pilot who did that was kicked anyway. No matter how often you repeat your misinformation .. PA does not oppose free space in Pure Blind.
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.14 10:42:00 - [63] Originally by: Shirei Yay, keep digging up incidents from months ago, if it makes you happy. As far as I can remember the pilot who did that was kicked anyway. No matter how often you repeat your misinformation .. PA does not oppose free space in Pure Blind. Well you know, CDI have a habit of "kicking" pilots that make "mistakes" then immediately re-hiring them again after the attention of the victims is diverted. Its a clever tactic but not one designed to instill a great deal of faith in PA honourable dealing. As for PA and Freespace. I keep hearing that the PA sans NAST is entirely happy to consider itself a restrictive territorial entity with designs on Pureblind, Tribute, and Vale long term. That certainly ties up with the intel data from CDI we disclosed on our public forums. Also, as of this weekend we saw mercenary elements working for the PA committing acts of piracy in Pureblind and openly engaging and destroying neutral shipping. Thats not exactly pro Freespace monsieur Shirei. I would advise you not to contend on the ethics of the situation since the weight of evidence condemns your alliance at every turn. The most believable thing I have ever seen the Phoenix Alliance say is that it cares more about its support of CDI than it does about keeping its word. (Robeyone). I would stick with that line if I was you Shirei. Its not a terribly good position but its better than nothing, and I think we can all understand the "sticking with the criminal relative even when he's wrong" line of thinking (even if we disagree with it). Lots of love The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
The Clash	Posted - 2004.06.14 10:44:00 - [64] alex : That guy asking isk for mining in Tribute is a RL friend from teh one he asked it was in fun and by no means serious , and this can be proven , so there goes that statement ... its you guys (or allies ) who keep it close atm peeps complaining about gettin shot there etc _________________ Retirement closing in .
Kulach	Posted - 2004.06.14 10:49:00 - [65] /emotes awaits the filmed version of Jade's post (fraps say more than a thousand words ). Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.14 11:02:00 - [66] Originally by: Kulach /emotes awaits the filmed version of Jade's post (fraps say more than a thousand words ). I think there are fraps for the first big slaughter, fraps for the counter slaughter in BKG. And some other projects in the works. I also took a screenshot "diary" of our tour through AP space at the weekend. (Sadly little action since the PA were by and large hiding). I guess I need to install it and start filming routinely ;) The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
juduzz	Posted - 2004.06.14 12:30:00 - [67] Quote: Also, as of this weekend we saw mercenary elements working for the PA committing acts of piracy in Pureblind and openly engaging and destroying neutral shipping. So who is this unamed mercs and where is the evidence? ----------------------------------------------
Shar Gath	Posted - 2004.06.14 12:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Jade Constantia Also, as of this weekend we saw mercenary elements working for the PA committing acts of piracy in Pureblind and openly engaging and destroying neutral shipping. Thats not exactly pro Freespace monsieur Shirei. YES!!! There are also reports of Batman and some evil Pokemons flying with them an taking part in slughter of neutral shippings. Also hired by ebil PA -------------------
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2004.06.14 12:38:00 - [69] Originally by: Maya Rkell Yes, thanks for the "basics of using the internet 101" lesson. You can assume the people who looked into it have done this kind of investigation before. First off :) Nice read Jade, enjoyed it very much. Its mostly absolute biased bull**** of course, but a nice read none the less, awesomely well written. Secondly. I am not a liar, and don't appreciate being called one, and when the truth eventually comes to light, an apology will be accepted, and I hope offered. Think what you want, the reality of howwe have access to JF forums and personal memos etc can't be changed. It is a member of JF, high up in JF for that matter that copied those logs and screens for us, aswell as the other info. You are either lying about the ip bullsh.it, stupid, or just plain mistaken. Soz. Happy hunting guys :) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.14 12:52:00 - [70] Quote: First off :) Nice read Jade, enjoyed it very much. Its mostly absolute biased bull** of course, but a nice read none the less, awesomely well written. Thank you for the writing compliment. I obviously beg to differ on your assessment of the content (as I suspect would the bulk of the NCA forces arrayed against a pretty diminished PA force this past weekend). Quote:** I am not a liar, and don't appreciate being called one, and when the truth eventually comes to light, an apology will be accepted, and I hope offered. Think what you want, the reality of howwe have access to JF forums and personal memos etc can't be changed. We do actually know exactly how it happened, perhaps you have been sold a story by someone, who knows, but the clock in the screenshots you have, matches the access time of the account we know was nicked by RONA. Its pretty straightforward stuff Eddz and lets just say that if your story was true those screenshots would have shown something quite different in the make up of the forum categories. Quote: It is a member of JF, high up in JF for that matter that copied those logs and screens for us, aswell as the other info. You are either lying about the ip bullsh.it, stupid, or just plain mistaken. Soz. I don't believe we are, but even if we were it wouldn't matter in the slightest ... you know why? Because everything we have ever said is supported by our internal comms. This is the rather laughable thing. We disclosed all internal diplomatic comms in response to the RONA spying. Can you see the walls crumbling? I think not. That suggests that we truly have nothing to hide (and never have). So tbh, who cares? You think you have a spy, whatever! It means nothing to me. Its just a bit sad that you chaps cling to this fiction because we are beating you in space. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Shirei	Posted - 2004.06.14 12:52:00 - [71] Originally by: Jade Constantia As for PA and Freespace. I keep hearing that the PA sans NAST is entirely happy to consider itself a restrictive territorial entity with designs on Pureblind, Tribute, and Vale long term. That certainly ties up with the intel data from CDI we disclosed on our public forums. Also, as of this weekend we saw mercenary elements working for the PA committing acts of piracy in Pureblind and openly engaging and destroying neutral shipping. You conveniently ignore that is was PA who conceived NAST including the free space parts. If PA was so anti-free space, why on earth did they do that? What you keep hearing or want to make people believe you are hearing is frankly irrelevant. It is actions that matter. Interesting that you are again talking completely abstractly about 'PA committing piracy in pure blind'. If your accusation had any substance, you would spell it out, but you choose not to. It's not like NCA is innocent in that matter. Your allies from Killer Clowns, no wait they joined Crytek now, should know more. Did you see me complaining that 'OMG, NCA are pirates' then? No, because I can accept that it is not NCA's general policy to engage neutrals in Pure Blind. Just like it is not PA policy to engage neutrals in Pure Blind. Accidents can of course happen, on both sides, and can be resolved quickly, but I find it ridiculous that you feel the need to use any little incident (if there was one, you didn't mention anything substantial) to start yet another 'PA are pirates and eat children' episode. To everyone with a pair of eyes who is in the area it should be quite obvious that it is PA policy not to engage neutrals in Pure Blind unless those 'neutrals' actively aid NCA. But that would of course go against your propaganda line so you don't want to get your head around this.
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.14 13:03:00 - [72] Shirei, Quote: You conveniently ignore that is was PA who conceived NAST including the free space parts. If PA was so anti-free space, why on earth did they do that? Well to address the primary sources (in declassified chatlogs). Halseth Durn formed NAST to "keep the natives in line" and play divide and rule against his old enemies and RKK corporation. SharkbigDog supported NAST to cover a PA expansion into Tribute to claim the stations there for the glory of the PA. These are the words of your own leaders Shirei. Uttered before you even joined the PA. Its a bit silly for you chaps to claim to understand the NAST purpose when we have the PA leaders on record contradicting you. SharkBigDog declared the NAST "dead" almost a month before the war and talked about his intention to hurt his enemies with mercenaries and scorched earth tactics. Quote: Interesting that you are again talking completely abstractly about 'PA committing piracy in pure blind'. If your accusation had any substance, you would spell it out, but you choose not to. This weekend mercenaries operated in Pureblind engaging neutrals and NCA forces in piratical gate camps. Who hired them? Who can tell? If they are decent mercs they will never say. But it is a little too convenient, non? Quote: To everyone with a pair of eyes who is in the area it should be quite obvious that it is PA policy not to engage neutrals in Pure Blind unless those 'neutrals' actively aid NCA. I would contend it is PA policy to hire mercenaries to engage neutrals to do the dirty work with untracable payments. As CDI attempted to do with Paladins of the Red Skull in Tribute. Your alliance does have a history of this. Quote: But that would of course go against your propaganda line so you don't want to get your head around this. I am a bit reluctant to get involved since it is all old ground and ultimately the reader must make their own mind up. Still, what is said is said, and yes, I do believe that PA corps have hired mercenaries to conduct piracy operations in the freespace zone. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Fuffel	Posted - 2004.06.14 13:24:00 - [73] Edited by: Fuffel on 14/06/2004 13:26:16 Quote: because we are beating you in space. forum space that is? and yes, you are right - g
JP Beauregard	Posted - 2004.06.14 13:41:00 - [74] Edited by: JP Beauregard on 14/06/2004 13:45:08 Sitting on the sidelines and scratching my head over all this earnestness, I feel compelled to offer two observations to consider and one nit to pick: A1. The way you, dear Jade, portray the conflict, we see an impractical cause pitted against power and greed. All rhetoric aside, in such constellations, the latter are sure to win out. Every time. A2. Conflicts like this one produce plenty of corpses. Corpses attract flies. I somehow doubt that the arrival of m0o and their ilk will increase property values in the area or do much good for the idea of free space for the masses. B1. Now, where the hell, in space, is "north"? JP Beauregard === The Pilkington Guides to EVE ===
juduzz	Posted - 2004.06.14 13:41:00 - [75] Quote: This weekend mercenaries operated in Pureblind engaging neutrals and NCA forces in piratical gate camps. Who hired them? Who can tell? If they are decent mercs they will never say. But it is a little too convenient, non? Yet still you wont name this misterious merc corp very strange............. ----------------------------------------------
Hackett	Posted - 2004.06.14 13:57:00 - [76] Originally by: JP Beauregard B1. Now, where the hell, in space, is "north"? Head up the M1 past the Watford Gap
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.14 15:02:00 - [77] Edited by: Jade Constantia on 14/06/2004 15:22:53 Quote: sitting on the sidelines and scratching my head over all this earnestness, I feel compelled to offer two observations to consider and one nit to pick: A1. The way you, dear Jade, portray the conflict, we see an impractical cause pitted against power and greed. All rhetoric aside, in such constellations, the latter are sure to win out. Every time. A2. Conflicts like this one produce plenty of corpses. Corpses attract flies. I somehow doubt that the arrival of m0o and their ilk will increase property values in the area or do much good for the idea of free space for the masses. B1. Now, where the hell, in space, is "north"? You know monsieur, I have seen a Venal alliance or two fail in the past and while you are right that this is certainly a case of idealism vs reactionary greed and selfish fiscal motive there is something else you need to consider. In our camp people are fighting because they believe in the cause and because they believe in the value of the camaraderie there, and in the essential justice of the Reikoku case against PA(CDI). That makes individual pilots in the NCA quite prepared to sacrifice lives and livelihood to achieve a just end to the conflict. Whereas the PA pilots are flying in the main to defend the very notion of their power and perogatives and protect the access to the mineral wealth they crave. This will lead to arguments amongst the PA as the war goes on. I literally have been down this road before, since one of the things that led to the death of the NVA was the inequality of wealth creation in that alliance, and as long as some corporations in the PA are doing all the dying while others get rich there will be tensions between the fights and miners. It is still much too earlier to place much hope in this bringing the war to a premature close, but it will become an increasing factor as the fighting continues. Already we have seen most of the PA mining militia pack up and leave for empire to leave the fighting to the veteran cadres, and as the conflict goes on you will see those still fighting making demands on those who are not, and this may well cause fracture lines. But at the end of the day, whether we are successful or whether we fail, it makes no difference because we are doing the right thing. It is neccessary to keep one's word in all things. I would rather to blasted to lingering poverty or sold again as a slave in the markets of tash murkon than compromise my oath to friends and companions in this. Such is the strength of my feeling. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Bohr	Posted - 2004.06.14 15:06:00 - [78] Edited by: Bohr on 14/06/2004 15:08:04 Originally by: Jade Constantia In our camp people are fighting because they believe in the cause and because they believe in the value of the camaraderie there, and in the essential justice of the Reikoku case against PA(CDI). That makes individual pilots in the NCA quite prepared to sacrifice lives and livelihood to achieve a just end to the conflict. Yes. Those lovely m0o pilots flying through d7 blowing up neutral ships and charging isk for not podding neutrals are definately the brighter part of your alliance GG Come on. Letting m0o in on the fun is as good as saying we really have no cause but fighting.
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.06.14 15:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Bohr Edited by: Bohr on 14/06/2004 15:08:04 Originally by: Jade Constantia In our camp people are fighting because they believe in the cause and because they believe in the value of the camaraderie there, and in the essential justice of the Reikoku case against PA(CDI). That makes individual pilots in the NCA quite prepared to sacrifice lives and livelihood to achieve a just end to the conflict. Yes. Those lovely m0o pilots flying through d7 blowing up neutral ships and charging isk for not podding neutrals are definately the brighter part of your alliance GG Come on. Letting m0o in on the fun is as good as saying we really have no cause but fighting. Good job we aint part of their alliance aint it really Otherwise we may actually make their alliance look bad... but since we aint, it's all cushy THX Sass Arcane Technologies
Alexandra Belani	Posted - 2004.06.14 15:30:00 - [80] Originally by: Bohr Edited by: Bohr on 14/06/2004 15:08:04 Originally by: Jade Constantia In our camp people are fighting because they believe in the cause and because they believe in the value of the camaraderie there, and in the essential justice of the Reikoku case against PA(CDI). That makes individual pilots in the NCA quite prepared to sacrifice lives and livelihood to achieve a just end to the conflict. Yes. Those lovely m0o pilots flying through d7 blowing up neutral ships and charging isk for not podding neutrals are definately the brighter part of your alliance GG Come on. Letting m0o in on the fun is as good as saying we really have no cause but fighting. To quote the great and powerful Mongo Peck in the situation of complete bollox and utter disgust with non-entities lacking the facts Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp... Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp... Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp... Like this sig? Check out my sig shoppe.. Zen Jakkaru - "Alexandra Belani (Most sexy terr
Rhonstet	Posted - 2004.06.14 15:33:00 - [81] History is propaganda by definition: the recounting of events as reported by someone with at least a passing interest in the subject matter. Its nice to have a history report during the conflict though. Propaganda based on recent events is better then history being written only by the winners. Thanks for the initial commentary under OOC Jade: demonstrating that this is just your perspective is something a lot of people need to be reminded of. The Monkeysphere
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.06.14 15:53:00 - [82] lmfao Allow me to show you how a meeting with stavr0s would go if I ever had the balls to go talk with him. ME: Hi STAVROS: **** off, you weirdo Bang ME: ouch. m0o are up north to do what they do best: blowing up ships. ours, yours, innocents... no-one is safe while m0o is around. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.06.14 15:53:00 - [83] Originally by: Alexandra Belani Originally by: Bohr Edited by: Bohr on 14/06/2004 15:08:04 Originally by: Jade Constantia In our camp people are fighting because they believe in the cause and because they believe in the value of the camaraderie there, and in the essential justice of the Reikoku case against PA(CDI). That makes individual pilots in the NCA quite prepared to sacrifice lives and livelihood to achieve a just end to the conflict. Yes. Those lovely m0o pilots flying through d7 blowing up neutral ships and charging isk for not podding neutrals are definately the brighter part of your alliance GG Come on. Letting m0o in on the fun is as good as saying we really have no cause but fighting. To quote the great and powerful Mongo Peck in the situation of complete bollox and utter disgust with non-entities lacking the facts Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp... Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp... Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp...Yapp... Lol Sass Arcane Technologies
Bohr	Posted - 2004.06.14 15:56:00 - [84] Edited by: Bohr on 14/06/2004 16:00:18 Originally by: Sassinak Originally by: Bohr Edited by: Bohr on 14/06/2004 15:08:04 Originally by: Jade Constantia In our camp people are fighting because they believe in the cause and because they believe in the value of the camaraderie there, and in the essential justice of the Reikoku case against PA(CDI). That makes individual pilots in the NCA quite prepared to sacrifice lives and livelihood to achieve a just end to the conflict. Yes. Those lovely m0o pilots flying through d7 blowing up neutral ships and charging isk for not podding neutrals are definately the brighter part of your alliance GG Come on. Letting m0o in on the fun is as good as saying we really have no cause but fighting. Good job we aint part of their alliance aint it really Otherwise we may actually make their alliance look bad... but since we aint, it's all cushy THX Yes it is. Understood that from a couple posts yesterday, and my immense sarcasm was directed at Jade, not m0o corp. (edit) Must have misread. and yea. Your public relations department may consider working on their kill neutral miners in a warzone policy :) KTHNX (i think i should say :P)
Lowa	Posted - 2004.06.14 16:00:00 - [85] Quote: Jade: This weekend mercenaries operated in Pureblind engaging neutrals and NCA forces in piratical gate camps. Who hired them? Who can tell? If they are decent mercs they will never say. But it is a little too convenient, non? Same can be said about m0o's sudden apperance no? Sorry, I just had too, dont think any of it, just showing there are always ways to bend whats beeing said to suit your own goals. See you in space I hope, LOWA Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby!
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.06.14 16:15:00 - [86] Originally by: Jade Constantia Halseth Durn formed NAST to "keep the natives in line" and play divide and rule against his old enemies and RKK corporation. SharkbigDog supported NAST to cover a PA expansion into Tribute to claim the stations there for the glory of the PA. These are the words of your own leaders Shirei. Uttered before you even joined the PA. Its a bit silly for you chaps to claim to understand the NAST purpose when we have the PA leaders on record contradicting you. SharkBigDog declared the NAST "dead" almost a month before the war and talked about his intention to hurt his enemies with mercenaries and scorched earth tactics. I simply HAVE to see this quote! Please produce it. Natives? Your gaul is strikingly offensive, m'dear. To actually presume my motivations for creating NAST and then displaying those presumptions with a false quote like "to keep the natives in line" has got to be one of your lowest points. Ask your allies Phonix, Taz, S.S., or Notferr my motivations. Unlike yourself, they were in the loop with the formation of NAST and I am sure that they can atest to my dedication to the concepts of the NAST treaty. And please stop quoting Shark as some "leader" or "big-wig" in the PA. He's not even a CEO. (that means he has no vote) Just because some guy from inside the PA talks to you all the time doesn't make him a leader or policy maker. The above is not the views of the PA or Oberon-Inc.
Jade Constantia	Posted - 2004.06.14 16:24:00 - [87] Oh be quiet Halseth won't you? You are retired or something yet you just can't seem to stay away? I would be happy to kill you in space if you chose to fight but I don't see why we who are fighting the war should talk to a ridiculous forum only semi retired troll? Like Notferr said, post again when you learn to keep your word. The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction and Public Forum and introducing; LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
Alexandra Belani	Posted - 2004.06.14 16:28:00 - [88] Really has anyone seen Notferrs mustard, I swore to him I would only borrow it for a minute and then, well it disappeared...hey why is my hair yellow? Like this sig? Check out my sig shoppe.. Zen Jakkaru - "Alexandra Belani (Most sexy terr
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.06.14 16:39:00 - [89] Edited by: Jadrut on 14/06/2004 16:41:18 Hmmm for those like me who have steered away from this topic until now ill sum it up because im so nice: FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....SCORCH!FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....SIZZLE....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME ....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....OMG IM BURNING ALIVE....FLAME....FLAME ....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....FLAME....
Notferr	Posted - 2004.06.14 17:09:00 - [90] Edited by: Notferr on 14/06/2004 17:52:44 Halseth, I honestly believe your intentions were honorable when you envisioned NAST. I do not think that others in the PA shared those same intentions. Simply put, Halseth, CDI, by Krullz's own words, violated at least part of the sanctions levied against them were broken when he traveled through Tribute/The Vale. The severity of the violation is irrelevant. Oberion's and RONA's honor 'loopholes' bother me FAR more than CDI's activities. Deciding when and where the given word will be enforced is a bridge I wish I would never had seen RONA or Oberion cross. I personally find your lack of PA policing and continued forums posts distasteful, and not behooving to your position. Like you as a guy, don't like the current behavior. If you would like to comment on the situation, please exercise the integrity I know you to have. Missing your presence in the North, - N - - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.

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