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Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.10 15:06:00 - [1] I guess veteran players probably lose the fear of lowsec space after a while. I travelled through lowsec last night to pick up a few items I bought on the market. My heart was hammering the entire time. I took a shuttle of course. I warped to planets first, fearing running into a gate camp. I did the trip manually to avoid wait times at jump gates. I felt like a secret agent behind enemy lines. It was downright spooky. It was a fantasically exciting thing. I saw nobody...not one ship the entire time. Naturally, this experience was pure noobishness, I'm sure. How long does it take for the thrill to die out?
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.09.10 15:09:00 - [2] Even if you had run into anyone, as long as you are using WTZ you are nearly invulnerable in a shuttle in lowsec. And TBH, warping to planets is a bad idea, as there are no gate guns there to protect you so someone in an interceptor could possibly get you, while at gates and stations the only things that can tank the guns have such a slow lock time that frigs and shuttles are pretty much immune. -=^=-
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.09.10 15:14:00 - [3] Actually, jumping to planets (at least partially by picking warp to 100km of...) is not that bad an idea as it allows you to approach the next gate or station from an unexpected angle. This is extremely important in avoiding the one way that a shuttle CAN be destroyed in low sec space: A battleship parked smack in the middle of the most typical approach path, with a full set of large smartbombs triggering constantly. Smartbombs will very quickly make short work of shuttles and T1 frigates.
Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.10 15:15:00 - [4] Thanks for the advice! Hehe, I probably read too much. I was expecting gate camps, interdiction bubbles, nasty pirates, and all the things I don't know about to reach out and crush my ship at any moment. Made for a thrilling experience, but clearly shows my lack of knowledge at present.
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.09.10 15:18:00 - [5] There are no bubbles in lowsec. Bubbles are restricted to 0.0 space only. This means fast ships are the way to stay safe. As for not seeing anyone, well spend some time zipping around lowsec in a shuttle and you will eventually see some red-flashys on a gate here and there. About the only thing to worry about in a shuttle/frigate is someone smartbombing on a gate, and if you are paying attention you can jump quick enough to avoid dying from the smartbombs. -=^=-
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.09.10 15:21:00 - [6] Actually - you NEVER want that little tingle to go away entirely. It's that little tingle that will keep you alert and alive. Essentially, you need to stay alert to what is going on around you at all times in EVE no matter where you are. It's just that some areas are more dangerous than others. I've warped right in and out of Rancor any number of times as giant fights were going on and was ignored. The other people there were all to busy shooting each other and I warped out to fast. But just because I got away with it a dozen times doesn't mean that lucky 13 won't get me blown up. Same thing with jet can mining in High Sec. I did that a lot before I got robbed - but eventually I was robbed. Every time you leave the hangar in EVE you risk your ship. You just risk it more when you go down to low sec.
Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.10 15:32:00 - [7] The forums, the FAQ's and the players all make a strong case for the various dangers of lowsec space. The intimidation factor can be pretty huge after you read enough warnings. I must admit, I can't wait for another chance to go back, though. Ana is a prospector, so I've been spending my time in highsec space mining, and building skills and ISK. Reletively dull stuff compared to last night's little run. I've been can flipped a few times already, but I just refuse to take that bait. Often, you can just wait out the would be ganker and get your stuff back. Other times, I assume the pirate destroys the ore somehow. Annoying stuff, but not exactly thrilling in nature.
Zennar	Posted - 2008.09.10 15:46:00 - [8] I understand the anxiety felt by (some) noobs about low-sec space. I went there only once and got killed within two minutes - I guess I was unlucky though. Even so the fight was a learning experience. Anyway seems that a lot of low sec space is actually OK as long as you're careful and aware of what's going on. I may enter there again soon... Zennar
Ralara Caldari Shadow Incursion	Posted - 2008.09.10 15:46:00 - [9] http://www.eve-search.com/thread/745787/page/1#11 ^^ 10mb video i made about the dangers of low sec. --
Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.10 16:23:00 - [10] The consensus seems to be that the dangers are overstated, then.
Ralara Caldari Shadow Incursion	Posted - 2008.09.10 16:46:00 - [11] Yeah pretty much. Low sec isn't dangerous; you just have to be really careful on some of the entry points to 0.0 and empire. Systems like Rancor (in between Rens and Hek on autopilot, I think) or Tama (one of the entries to caldari low sec) are often camped; sometimes heavily so. Ghei, Obe, Odebein, Jan, (sp?) etc are similar. I'd say 95% of low sec is relatively safe, though and about 75% is safe enough to mission or mine in as long as you take precautions. Even watching local, about 80% of the people who enter are either just passing through or are also mining / missions etc. Just keep an eye on your scanner and you'll be ok. You will die eventually, though :p Also, if you plan on being in a low sec area in particular, maybe keep tabs on the locals - who are the local pirates / corporations / alliances and you'll soon figure out who's safe and who's dangerous - and use common sense. A +5 sec player in a corp called something like "rar kill smash GRRRRRR boom laser beams" is likely to cause trouble hehe :) --
Materia Hunter	Posted - 2008.09.10 17:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Shanur Actually, jumping to planets (at least partially by picking warp to 100km of...) is not that bad an idea as it allows you to approach the next gate or station from an unexpected angle. This is extremely important in avoiding the one way that a shuttle CAN be destroyed in low sec space: A battleship parked smack in the middle of the most typical approach path, with a full set of large smartbombs triggering constantly. Smartbombs will very quickly make short work of shuttles and T1 frigates. Smartbombs can not be activated within 5000M of a gate now, so if WTZ its even more unlikely :)
Connner JUDGE DREAD Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.10 18:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Materia Hunter Smartbombs can not be activated within 5000M of a gate now, so if WTZ its even more unlikely :) I wasn't aware of this? Did this happen w/ the new patch? What happens if you do activate a smart bomb next to a gate?
Ralara Caldari Shadow Incursion	Posted - 2008.09.10 18:41:00 - [14] It was introduced in FW to cater for newer players. Doesn't help though, you can still SB people on gates - I got podded 2 weeks ago due to mistakenly thinking they couldn't do it any more and WTZing around low sec :p --
Face Palmero	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Face Palmero on 11/09/2008 07:41:01 Well, I just finished my trial; almost all of which I spent in low-sec ratting and being ratted I lost 15 ships in 14 days, but I gained loads of experience in PVP and fitting cheap, but effective, ships. And last night...on my first day of non-trial play...I got my first PVP kill! A guy in a Rifter was shadowing me through belts trying to lock me down. He finally did and I went through the motions of drones>web>NOS>guns figuring I'd die shortly, but wanting to make sure I did everything 'right'. And sure enough my Vexor tanked his damage while my drones and guns blew him to pieces. I was shocked - my wife happened to be next to me and I said 'sweetie, I think I'm gonna win this one!' Couldn't lock his POD quick enough to kill it and collect the hefty 5,000 ISK bounty though Then...he came back with a friend for payback. He was in a Rifter rigged for tackling and his buddy was in a Myrmidon (I think). What the hell. I tried to focus on doing it right...lock>web>drones>nos>guns on the rifter and tank the Myrm dmg. I killed the rifter a second time! And almost warped out in time. It was a good learning experience, well worth the measly ISK it cost me to refit a new ship. I like low-sec because of the always-looking-over-your-shoulder feel. FACEPALM
Taipan Leviathan The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.11 08:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Face Palmero Edited by: Face Palmero on 11/09/2008 07:41:01 Pew pew* Congrats! Maybe you should join a pvp corp, you sound like the type!
Ralara Caldari Shadow Incursion	Posted - 2008.09.11 09:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Face Palmero Edited by: Face Palmero on 11/09/2008 07:41:01 Well, I just finished my trial; almost all of which I spent in low-sec ratting and being ratted I lost 15 ships in 14 days, but I gained loads of experience in PVP and fitting cheap, but effective, ships. And last night...on my first day of non-trial play...I got my first PVP kill! A guy in a Rifter was shadowing me through belts trying to lock me down. He finally did and I went through the motions of drones>web>NOS>guns figuring I'd die shortly, but wanting to make sure I did everything 'right'. And sure enough my Vexor tanked his damage while my drones and guns blew him to pieces. I was shocked - my wife happened to be next to me and I said 'sweetie, I think I'm gonna win this one!' Couldn't lock his POD quick enough to kill it and collect the hefty 5,000 ISK bounty though Then...he came back with a friend for payback. He was in a Rifter rigged for tackling and his buddy was in a Myrmidon (I think). What the hell. I tried to focus on doing it right...lock>web>drones>nos>guns on the rifter and tank the Myrm dmg. I killed the rifter a second time! And almost warped out in time. It was a good learning experience, well worth the measly ISK it cost me to refit a new ship. I like low-sec because of the always-looking-over-your-shoulder feel. Nice, sounds like you had a lot of fun. Tip for the future; if you had a Micro Warp Drive fitted (I'm assuming the Myrm did, too), if you both activate it, you'll be faster than him due to both having 10MN drives but his ship being far more massive (as in more mass - slower at accelerating and top speed etc). In situations like this, a possible way out is to web the offending ship (I assume they have you webbed) and try and move away from them - even if you're both webbed (assuming both have the same webbing ability) you'll still be going faster - so you can maybe move out of his web range and continue MWDing away - he cant catch you and you can eventually move out of his warp scramble range and warp off :-) Wtih Myrms, same as your Vexor, the way to stop them is to kill their drones - try and target these next time, and it will reduce their firepower by a huge amount. In the end though, you were unlikely to win - a Rifter (considered by many to be the best T1 frigate to PvP with) and a Myrmadon (battlecruiser) can quite easily overwhelm the tank of a single T1 cruiser. but it sounds like you had fun :-)))) --
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.09.11 10:28:00 - [18] One lesson there might have been to not be around when the guy came back ... That or to warp out as soon as you saw he had a friend. Anyway, congratulations on your first kill.
Kask Aledrought Gallente Forging Industries	Posted - 2008.09.11 13:43:00 - [19] I also found that running around in lowsec/0.0 space has alot of overstated dangers... I bopped around for 22 hops in a rookie ship just to see what was there, how vicious gate camps lurked around every corner and what I found was a whole lot of NOTHING. Not that there were few people but that there were NO people. I learned two things on that particular night; 1 being that there were no stations out in no-mans land (which makes sense but it just didnt occur to me) and the 2nd part and what finally put an end to my little jaunt being that missle batteries WILL still find you if you're 100km from a moon. I just putzing around checking out stuff, warped into a moon with a POS and a crapload of defenses and after about 3-4 minutes of not really paying attention I'm sitting in my pod. I laughed but I learned something.
Ralara Caldari Shadow Incursion	Posted - 2008.09.11 14:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Kask Aledrought I also found that running around in lowsec/0.0 space has alot of overstated dangers... I bopped around for 22 hops in a rookie ship just to see what was there, how vicious gate camps lurked around every corner and what I found was a whole lot of NOTHING. Not that there were few people but that there were NO people. I learned two things on that particular night; 1 being that there were no stations out in no-mans land (which makes sense but it just didnt occur to me) and the 2nd part and what finally put an end to my little jaunt being that missle batteries WILL still find you if you're 100km from a moon. I just putzing around checking out stuff, warped into a moon with a POS and a crapload of defenses and after about 3-4 minutes of not really paying attention I'm sitting in my pod. I laughed but I learned something. Heh. When in low sec (or 0.0) - or even high sec - POSes can attack you there too without concord intervening - warp to the planet first then scan the individual moons with your directional scanner to check they're safe to warp to. Really though if it's low sec or a Sov 2 system in 0.0, you're more likely than not to warp to an empty moon if you randomly go there - it can be a help if you're desperately running from someone and you know all the stargates are blockaded... --
Renier Gaden	Posted - 2008.09.11 16:01:00 - [21] I am into my fourth week in EVE and I have gone for over a week now living in 0.1 space without losing a ship to another player. I got podded at a gate camp a few weeks ago, and lost some ships to pirates, but I am getting more experienced now and managed to escape the last four times pirates attacked me. I am having more trouble with the rats actually, as they fly Battlecruisers in these parts, which has caused me to have to abandon a few jet cans as I donÆt have the fire power to clear them out when they show up unexpectedly.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.09.11 16:32:00 - [22] I'm always happy to read about the excitement of losec. Unlike other people on this forum there seem to be some who appreciate the services pirates offer to the community. Yes indeed, I consider us as service providers! Without us 'terribly bad people' losec would be a very dull place and hardly deserve its name. Maybe one day some of you will even choose the dark side and find out that there's a lot of fun to be had. Cheers!
Inquisitor Apoc	Posted - 2008.09.11 17:21:00 - [23] I just had my first experience with Low Sec space this weekend. I had only been playing Eve for 9 days and was a total noob but I managed to put together enough money to buy myself and equip an Omen! Yay! I was so happy with my new Omen, it looked bad ass and I couldn't wait to start blasting things apart. After buying all the equipment I needed for it I then had to spend hours running around picking everything up, a piece here a piece there. One of my pieces was 13/14 jumps away it was a medium radio frequency crystal I got for cheap. So I set destination and alt tab to some solitare. (Not realizing it was in 0.4 sec space). I pick up the crystal and set the next destination and alt tab to some more solitare. I'm playing away when I here a "Beep Beep Beep" and think WTF why am I getting targeted. Thank god I was actually at my computer. I see this ship shooting out a wierd yellow beam at me, it looked really crappy I thought it was a graphical glitch. I was wondering if I should fire on the ship or just leave it. I decided to leave it because the Jump gate was only a few meters away. Turns out the guy was trying to scramble my jump drive or something. Whatever I thought. Then out of no where a second ship comes up and just starts owning me. My shields went down in 1 hit. I was in such a panic all I could do was turn on my armor repair and pray. My entire eve life (All 9 days of it) flashed before me. I had spend all my money on this ship and getting it equiped I had nothing left, which is why I didn't buy insurance. I couldn't believe it was going to end like this, I would have to start from the bottom. I thought "What now?" do I cancel my account do I quit playing I didn't want to do all that mission running over again, I even sold my frigate! Now my armor is completely toasted and my repair kit repaired a few HP's. Then my hull started to go, I was down to less than 200 structure points, this was it, my enire Eve life gone..... and then.......... the jump gate activates.... And i'm in 0.7 sec space. I imediately book it to the nearest sation and just sit there shaking for a few minutes. I couldn't believe how close that was. I had a heat sink in another low sec station far away and it's been sitting there ever since. I learned my lession and thankfully it wasnt a 5Million+ one.
Lord Zarcam Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.09.11 18:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Inquisitor Apoc .... And i'm in 0.7 sec space. I imediately book it to the nearest sation and just sit there shaking for a few minutes. I couldn't believe how close that was. I had a heat sink in another low sec station far away and it's been sitting there ever since. I learned my lession and thankfully it wasnt a 5Million+ one. I guess you didn't see the part about not flying something you cannot afford to loose? I spent three days in low sec shorty after staring this game. The only time I saw anybody was at gates. Out of the 30+ jumps I made doing missions I was only targeted once and was able to jump before they had a lock. No body wanted to waste their ammo on my lil frigate........ thankfully! Flying an Omen in 9 days? Man are you brave!
Vabjekf	Posted - 2008.09.11 19:30:00 - [25] Low sec is fine as long as you avoid the most popular systems and keep an eye out. Make safe spots, and scan a gate before you warp to it if there are people in the system. If you use a station make one of those bookmarks that are a little way away from the station directly ahead of where you come out. That way when you undock you can quickly warp straight ahead and out of range of anyone. Ive flown around in low sec on newbie characters alot ratting cruisers and battlecruisers=p More fun that missions
Sionide Minmatar THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.09.11 20:15:00 - [26] Reminds me of when I first traveled through lowsec. Yeah, the feeling is intense at first, but it does die down. As for it going away completey, I don't think it does, since as time goes on you will be flying more pricer ships. It's really the excitement of the unknown and the possibility to lose everything you are carrying. That is what makes Eve so great, dying actually has consequences. However, in your shuttle you are pretty safe, though careful of the SMB BSes :P === In Eve, never bring a knife to a knife fight.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.09.12 04:30:00 - [27] Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 12/09/2008 04:32:06 Originally by: Inquisitor Apoc How not to play EVE ... 1) Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Put that big fancy ship in a hangar and leave it there until you have the skills to use it. Yes, get in a rookie ship and start all over, just do it before you lose that ship instead of afterward. You don't need that ship to run Level I missions so why take a chance on getting it blown up? Get a Level III Frigate like a Punisher or a Destroyer like a Coercer and fly all your level I missions in that. Put a good afterburner on it and some long range guns. Get the mission rats agro, then turn and have them chase you as you blow them up. This is called Kiting. If some guy steals your loot to try to get you to fight him - if you do - at least you won't be getting that expensive ship blown up. Someone with a frigate who knows what he's doing can kill that ship easily. Trust me - I know. About the time you decide that an Omen isn't such a big expensive ship, then you're probably ready to start using it. Hopefully you'll have your support skills built up by then to the point where you can tank a lot more damage than you can now. 2) Never use the auto pilot. NEVER. Always fly the ship from one gate to the next. You want to use one of two strategies here: a) warp to zero and jump fast b) warp close enough to the gate to see if there's a gate camp there and then act appropriately. 3) Look at the string of colored dots in the upper left hand corner and see if they are all yellow or green. If they have red or orange dots - those are lowsec areas. 4) The Map has settings for your auto pilot (which is what plots your course when you "set destination"). The Default is Shortest Route. What you want is Safest Route. Change it. 5) There are times you can play EVE semi-AFK the way you were - but that is mining with a cheap industrial in a 1.0 or .9 system. Not warping about in your uninsured, expensive combat ship with all it's expensive modules. 6) Don't take your mistakes to hard. You aren't the first one to do all those things - you were just lucky enough to get away with it. Now ... don't do it again. As to Low Sec, it is everything everyone's said above. It can be a series of deserted systems where you won't see anyone for hours, then you run into someone who will blow you up for the fun of it if you don't prevent it. If you know what you're doing and follow good practices you can keep yourself from getting blown up .... for the most part. If the hours of nothing happening lull you into a false sense of security it can all end suddenly in fire and a trip to the spawn tubes. So, in some ways Low Sec isn't as frightening as it's cracked up to be - but in other ways - it is.

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