perhaps so but my last post on the subject on page 99 has more likes than you have.

The reason the forum doesn't allow dislikes is :goons: because having the ability to downvote a post would lead to the kind of mob-posting goons are known for. By allowing upvotes "likes" only then you promote a system where its only possible to compete with other posters by posting better yourself rather than organizing a numbers based down vote campaign. But then you know this already.

On top of that you have the following message,

92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***


(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.

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So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere.

You seem to misunderstand the point. I know you guys can spam nonsense all over the forums - we've seen ample evidence of that every time something in the game goes some way you don't approve of. But you are incapable of posting well - thats why you don't really like the "like" system.

Nothing, other then it would suggest that his apology is nothing more then spin and not in the least bit sincere.

I will tell you plainly I think the behaviour of Alexander Gianturco in his role as Chair of CSM6 is far more important by way of example and media impact than the situation of the mining barge guy (whom we're assured is quite okay). This turned out okay from a player health and rl angle so good. But the matter remains that the current chair of the CSM saw fit to get steaming drunk and invite people to troll some guy to death in the view of the cameras and gaming media and that is not okay.



Well his wife said as much on SA. Talking of his episodes of "blind drunkenness" and fights where he couldn't remember what he'd done or said to anyone. One might say if this kind of stuff shouldn't be discussed on an internet forum why did she post it on an internet forum in the first place? Isn't it a bit ironic to hear a goon complaining about having one's personal laundrey aired out to dry in a scandal that arose from (well) hanging somebody else's emotional laundrey out to dry.

See, I wouldn't really be as interested in all this were you and a thousand other goons trying your level best to pass this stuff off as acceptable behaviour for a player of eve online in the environment of fanfest. Thats what rubs me up the wrong way really because its excusing this grevious breach of trust on Alexander's behalf and going some way to invalidate his apology. The goons are making it look like a false statement because they are effectively trying to justify this kind of thing in the fanfest environment.



On that point we'll have to agree to disagree. I as a player of eve online have expressed my view that Alexander Gianturco is no longer an appropriate chair of the player council in Eve online. Its my right and priviledge as a paying customer of Eve to express this opinion as its your right to disagree. You may accuse me of whatever you please, it doesn't change what happened.

I believe that what the Mittani did was wrong and in my opinion he can no longer chair the CSM. Hope he gets a handle on his drinking. My thoughts are with those effected by his actions

Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.

goons have a history mocking a dead bob player

Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me.

That was a terrible apology, and so insincere.

You are only saying this to desperately try and stave off any impact it might have on your RL career in Law.

I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now

Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused.

That has nothing to do with this, quit trying to distract from the main issue at hand. You forum trolls are not that funny really.

I would agree if he had kept it in an in game setting.

However he did not, he did it on a live stream in front of thousands.

Not only was a apology needed, he needs to remove himself from the CSM at least. So people know we are serious about whom represents the players of this game.

A CSM calling for someones death even in jest and drunk is more the enough reason to pull him off it.

Its the same thing in the wash.

But this is a powerful person in the game whom has an army of sycophantic followers. He pretty much was dousing the person he named with gasoline while giving his buddies matches.

I really don't get how anyone can defend him. He has brought a lot of negative attention to our community, and the only reason we don't all look like douchebags is because some have been very vocal in denouncing his actions.

He admitted he did wrong and said he was going to resign. What is there to argue here?

To you yes, but you can not put your thought processes on someone with a mental health problem. Rational thought goes out of the window and it can take the mostmundane of things to tip someone over the edge.

I have worked in many jobs in my working life. One of those was in a mental health hosptial s an auxillary. The staff had a basic saying and that was "there but for the grace of (name your divintiy here) go I".

Some consider bullying as "part of the course" of growing up. Yet people have ran away or killed themselves over bullying. Those that are indifferent to it tend to be the bullies or those that stood on the side lines and let it happen. They say it to make themselves feel better about themselves.

Again I am talking generally here.

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Again you can not place rational thought or what you think is irrelevant on to a person who is already unbalanced what can or can not tip someone over the edge is personal. going off on a tangent, most places have a solutions to debts that could effectively get rid of them, yet people kill themselves and in some cases their entire family over them.

In reality you do not know if that email is the straw that breaks the camels back or not.

Assuming that Mittani (no Mittans,either Mittani or Mittens) can really order this makes you look even dumber than you are

Perhaps you should talk with that wannabe lawyer dude, who was pasting excerpts of the UK law, and fit your versions with one another?

Because he's talking about harassment and you're quoting a case of inciting racial hatred.

Aren't these distinct in the UK legislation?

Jealous of a chubby chin-bread ex lawyer trustfund princess with delusions of grandeur who just managed to comprehensively torpedo his chances of ever working anywhere again with the media presence?

Hmmm, lemme think about that.

Not really.

Stop trying to spin and think outside the cult range for a moment, step back and take people at their word.

I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking.

Speaking of higher brain functions, empathy is a very important one. In fact, it's a big thing we look for in gauging animal intelligence.

Now explain to me again how not caring about other peoples feelings is perfectly normal for a human.

Nonsense. The childish footstamping is coming from you. He is right in the core of what he wrote - people are taking this issue, which has been dealt with, and using it as a mechanism to destroy the Goonswarm because they are unable to do so in-game.

How is it going to burn when, due to the sheer number of Concord ships that build up on grids in Jita, ganking becomes nigh on impossible?

Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend.

I would expect you to know mechanics better. I mean aren't you guys meant to be pro anti-pirates? Removing concord from the grid as nothing to do with avoiding consequences, a new spawn appears and kills you (or the old one returns from wherever you moved it). It is merely the way to remove concord spawns from previous attacks or which have been deliberately spawned by others for protection. It actually makes the mechanic work as intended as instead of an unrelated concord spawn instakilling you it reverts to the normal concord response time.

EDIT - It isn't griefing since we have had advanced warning..