The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.

There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.

It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology.

Yes given his first comment when he learnt of it is 'deal with it'

Given he has always clearly stated he DOES NOT RP

Given he is a snake generally

I'm sure one little post is going to make attempted murder so much better

Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel.

You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2).

And your definition of 'a total non-event' and 'a mole-hill' appears to be one that is not widely shared. It is getting press not because no-one gives a **** but precisely because it is of concern to considerable numbers of people. That it is not an issue for you just puts you in lock-step with the attitude that caused the issue in the first place. It was because the Mittani also thought it was not a big deal that he felt able to say what he did. Social mores, unfortunately for you, currently seem to have a wholly different opinion of the situation.

No he should be permanently banned and I will do everything in my power to see thi happens as CCP have chosen to be complicite in this harrsement and life threatening behaviour Sorry

Do not fall for his serenading apologetic letter to garner vindication of his misconduct and emotional appeal to redeem himself from the "scandal" he has caused.

It has been CLEAR EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING that he never had an ounce of doubt about his misconduct during the Fanfest 2012. He stood firm and resolute in the rightfulness of inciting thousands of players to provoke a mentally unstable player to commit suicide.

These are the responses from Mittani the Great prior to this debacle and public outcry:

"You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything."

"~10,058~"

He even lies to all of us by telling us that he never incited the players to send mails to provoke him to commit suicide when there is a video that clearly shows that he is delusional and a liar: "Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for. "

Him justifying his misconduct by telling all of us that what he did abides by the spirit of EVE Online: "Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself."

Since the beginning, he has seen no error in him inciting thousands of EVE players to provoke an unfortunate guy to commit suicide. He willingly, knowingly, and deliberately showed misconduct because he sincerely believes that there is nothing wrong with doing so. His responses explain his thoughts.

Do not fall for his "apologies." He only wrote this AFTER he got stream of news media covering his misconducts. He was scared of losing the chairmanship, his account, and his leadership over Goons.

you are a special snowflake...

Cant we just wardec him or is that cyberbullying too?

Agreed. The line was crossed. The Chairman demonstrated he is not fit for post. One who acts on camera like a pompous, drunk, sneering court jester is not what the community needs from the figurehead that represents the interests of the playerbase. We have been badly let down and CCP must act.

Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding.
Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him. It was either wrong, or it wasnt. If it wasnt, and he beleives that, then he should retract his apology. If it was, then why the hell is he letting goons continue to post and defend him and his actions, particulalrly on the grounds they are using, which run counter to his position as stated in his apology? They all see it as a non incident, or rather that the guy doesnt have the right to play in the first place and shouldnt be playing if he is so thin skinned.

Really, their behavior is no different that it normally is, they deball and depants whoever they can, including those who are indignant. somewhere though, in the back of their minds it may begin to start to dawn on a few of them that the mainstream media is picking up this story, it'sd all over the gaming community, and they may begin to realize that reasonable objective people with no ax to grind can look at this from the outside and see how completely A to Z ****** this whole thing is. If the Mittani was wrong, then now they are all wrong.

The soulless sell their souls for a game. I should be shocked, but I guess they weren't using them anyway.

If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.

EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.

well i feel like u showed ure true colours ... and beeing evil ingame as well in real life ... ppl can see u know and u can go sit in ure corner and not blame the alchool for ure behaviour. GET A REALITY PILL and realise what u done its not going to be repaired with a simple : i`m sorry. Get off any leadership position u dont deserve to be in one and realise what u`ve done. kk thx

What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.

The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.

All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point. Trying to spin the story has hurt him even more.

His follower ruined any chance for his apology to work as a get out of trouble card.


What he did is not a game.

...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.

Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name.

But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll.

Well in opposite to you, he manage to write something sensible. All you do is spew out garbage. Instead, make an attempt to write a good counter argument instead of showing the community your lack of intellectual capacity like 90% of the goons in this thread.

As a member of the Eve community i sure prefer to read his replies over yours, because your replies lack any form of content other than trying to belittle him. Whether i agree with him or not is a different case. However, he has proven on several cases that he knows a bit about Eve. You havent.

Well like it or not *ahem* one of the ways that we can get a sense of how well a forum discussion is going is to see whether third party reads support a particular point of view or not. Imagine for a moment if Eve forums had a system whereby you could sort the responses to a thread by "likes" (as is common with many media sites that allow public posting incidently). Then you'd probably see the "goonish" responses banished to the outdarkness of page 100+ while more genuinely thought out posts were closer to the start.

Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.

And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across.

I tend to "like" posts that have some substance (or occassionally ones that make me laugh). The reason why you have attracted so few likes is that you aren't really saying anything that 10,000 goons haven't said already. (la la la la I'm not listening la).

The reason the forum doesn't allow dislikes is :goons: because having the ability to downvote a post would lead to the kind of mob-posting goons are known for. By allowing upvotes "likes" only then you promote a system where its only possible to compete with other posters by posting better yourself rather than organizing a numbers based down vote campaign. But then you know this already.

just come out and say it
mittani should resign

because goons ganked your macks
because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar
because cfc evicted your regions
because he nerfed your supercaps and titans
because you got recruitment scammed
because you was a goon hater all along

and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll

ya'll bitchessses aint shite

I would agree however the problem is he has created a persona of somebody who is a lying cheating scamming bastard.

So with that in mind people are not going to accept his apology so readily.

You also have the numerous comments he made before the **** hit the fan and none of them were what you would call apologetic.

On top of that you have the following message,

92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***


(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***

So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere.

They are watching how long this storm will last.
If it relaxing with time they will sweep it all under the rug.

By showing yourself as a drunken loudmouths the CMS lost all credibility, disband yourself is the only decent thing to do!

Do not fall for his serenading apologetic letter to garner vindication of his misconduct and emotional appeal to redeem himself from the "scandal" he has caused.

It has been CLEAR EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING that he never had an ounce of doubt about his misconduct during the Fanfest 2012. He stood firm and resolute in the rightfulness of inciting thousands of players to provoke a mentally unstable player to commit suicide.

These are the responses from Mittani the Great prior to this debacle and public outcry:

"You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything."

"~10,058~"

He even lies to all of us by telling us that he never incited the players to send mails to provoke him to commit suicide when there is a video that clearly shows that he is delusional and a liar: "Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for. "

Him justifying his misconduct by telling all of us that what he did abides by the spirit of EVE Online: "Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself."

Since the beginning, he has seen no error in him inciting thousands of EVE players to provoke an unfortunate guy to commit suicide. He willingly, knowingly, and deliberately showed misconduct because he sincerely believes that there is nothing wrong with doing so. His responses explain his thoughts.

Do not fall for his "apologies." He only wrote this AFTER he got stream of news media covering his misconducts. He was scared of losing the chairmanship, his account, and his leadership over Goons.

Mittani the Great needs to resign from CSM Committee AND CSM Chairmanship.

I think he should be judged on his actions, not made an example of. Technically as a member of the CSM he failed to "carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow."

Anything more than being kicked off the CSM would be unjust, even if this has now got most of the MMO media and now some mainstream media involved.

What is with this "apology accepted", you random nobodys?

Who offended you and who apologized to you ?

People should stop ultra-trolling this thread, desperately trying to de-rail it.

it sure as **** doesn't help him having goon's carry on like that... absolute disgrace...

The Mittani, aka Alex, the chairman of the CSM, a body elected to represent us players, did.

Next question?

SWANSEA, Wales -- The student who mocked Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba on Twitter after the player collapsed on the field during a match has been jailed for inciting racial hatred. Liam Stacey, a 21-year-old student at Swansea University, admitted to the charge last week and was jailed Tuesday for 56 days. Chief prosecutor Jim Brisbane says "we hope this case will serve as a warning to anyone who may think that comments made online are somehow beyond the law." Muamba's heart stopped beating on its own for 78 minutes after he collapsed during an FA Cup quarterfinal match against Tottenham on March 17. He remains hospitalized in intensive care.

Thats a US paper taking up the story btw.

Why don't you try to put aside your goonish clan identity for a moment and lets talk as adult players of this game. I'm not saying Alexander Gianturco should be prosecuted in real or extradited to iceland or england or whatnot. I'm not saying eve online should become a politically-correct utopia where nobody says boo to a goose. I once caused a mini scandal myself for saying rude things about Verone when I was CSM chair for heaven's sake - I'm no saint.

But I didn't use my position on stage at fanfest as a bully pulpit to call for the harrassment of a fellow gamer. I think if we were to meet face to face and share a quiet pint and talk this over you'd agree it went too far and now Gianturco needs to resign for the good of the game.

A lot of goon players in this thread seem to be turning it into a persecution complex "its just because he was a goon". It really isn't. Its simply because he had a responsibility to represent this game as an ambassador to the watching media and he flunked it badly.

I personally am happy to see Mittani continue to be allowed to play this game. But there has to be some sanction for what he did and if he's not prepared to take responsibility and do the decent thing as Alexander Gianturco and resign then he needs to be pushed out.

There was also a recent case of someone in the UK going to jail after posting offensive comments on a dead girl's Facebook tribute. No racism was involved in this case.

WI used to be a cool Alliance what happened? just a pet corp posting for their fuhrer now, its so sad.

The above pretty much sum up my opinion. The Mittani overstepped the line and when he realised he stated he would do the right thing and apologise, give isk to the 'victim' and resign from the CSM. First two are apparently done and now he is trying to back out of the last.

I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.

I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.

It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.

It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age.

Jealous of a chubby chin-bread ex lawyer trustfund princess with delusions of grandeur who just managed to comprehensively torpedo his chances of ever working anywhere again with the media presence?

Jade, you're probably not doing your (and my) cause any favours with comments like that.

On the contrary, British politicians have had to resign from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet in the past because they were only accused of wrong-doing. Recent examples include Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Huhne and Peter Mandelson.

Charles Kennedy even had to resign as Lib Dem leader because he liked the odd drink!

It's true that they often return at a later date, but that's normally after a subsequent election. I'd be quite happy to see Mittens return to the CSM if the electorate demands it next time.

I seriously doubt that asking for an elected representative to actually face the consequences of his actions can be in any way compared to "bullying".

Here is a shortened video of what happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYNLmtAMA

Here is the EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.as

Other players have been perma-banned for less than what Alex did.