Hi, I'm Yeep, I'm about as OG GoonFleet as it gets. I think what happened on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable. I think he's right to feel terrible and I've known him long enough to accept that his apology is in good faith. However a spur of the moment resignation, no matter how popular it might be in the real world right now, does nothing but appease the uneducated masses.

Edit: For a bit of backstory I feel The Mittani crossed the line a number of times in the past when he was chief spymaster. I even opposed his promotion to the position on the grounds that his only qualification was nepotism. However he has the long term vision to continue to make Eve a better place for everyone (even whiny titan pilots) and the game will be objectively worse off if he resigns over this.

Yes, I hear that yelling and using profanity effectively silences people who are voicing opinions contrary to your own. Moar plz.

Guys, I have a specific comb for my beard.

Just when you think EVE has hit a new low...

Let's hope you never have to go through such mental anguish as some here have had to.

Despicable and vile.

You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said.

Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP:

1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life.

2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life.

That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame.

Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players?

Discussion after a cool down is better than a knee jerk reaction. Knee jerk reactions tend to be the worst mistakes. Much the same about knee jerk laws and changes to game rules.

1 and 2 both. If he has broken any rules then he should be sanctioned, if he has not then he should not e that is the simple fact of the matter.

I have read through the EULA and in my opinion it does not apply here. However we have no idea what people who are CSM and people as speakers at the event have to sign upto. Those are what will be used to decide if he is to be sanctioned, not yours, mine or anyone elese opinions on whether he broke the rules or not.

They said in statement that it was always supposed to be open forum and the public presenters were expected to keep the posts to within the areas of proper conduct. As such, they were not reviewed. CCP has had dealing with the Goons/test people before, and am sure they were not expecting the comments that did come out.

On another note, I am lazy so a copy/paste from my statement in the voting thread:

Careful, talk like that will make me stop hating goons!

It's sort of a strange collision of ideas - Fanfest as the drunken party/vacation and Fanfest as the livestreamed official CCP event. Not vetting live presentations and not caring if your presenters are very nearly falling-down drunk was going to come back and bite them in the ass at some point, Mittani or otherwise. I think it's safe to say that this is the last year of "unfiltered" presentations on live streams, no matter what else happens.

Screw you, i went from 5 likes to 70 with my posting in here, 90% of them being Goonies. So byte me hard.

No, but i'm sure Lowes or Ace Hardware will have enough rope for you to hang yourself. I believe it's $5 a yard or something like that.

You do realise that most of the posting has been done by Goonswarm here.

Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked.

I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them.

This is a stupid line of posting and I'm done with it.

Did you see how Sean Payton didn't apologize for bounty-gate?

I'm actually surprised it wasn't locked already.

I'd honestly like to know why Riverini is still going on with this defamation against Mittani. You lost Riverini, stop being a sore loser, you lame ass loser.

The silence you hear is the sound of Alex holding his breath and praying silently that when this is over he can still play Eve. Any sign of smugness from him at this point is pretty much a biomass sentence.

Doesn't bother me, doesn't bother ccp (have you seen oveur vids?), probably doesn't bother many who voted for him. The only issue is what he actually said. Even then If he wasn't a goon this would have blown over already.

How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats?

I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it, otherwise known as a human being, than some of the hollier than thou politicians we get. Whether or not he will learn form it is something that will have to be seen as until it is it is just conjecture that he will.

I can see both side of this argument, as I have no vested interest in either camp, and in the end what will happen will happen and we have to accept it or vote with our money.

Yeah, not sure did I post it here? But in the tweets, Seleene said a few days will be the official statements.

also he knew all to well what he was doing since he created the slide of the mackinaw pilot before the alliance panel discussions ect, he knew what he was doing and he knew what he was going to say, ide still prefer if he stepped down tbh

See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.

If he doesn't have the integrity and responsibility to do so, then the CSM or CCP will have to take that decision for him. Of course that'll look much worse.

If that won't happen, the EVE community will suffer a further image damage, as it'll be seen as the community represented by someone capable to act in such an aberrant way. The EVE community is already stigmatized as an unwelcoming and ruthless one, but so far that image has been limited to the in-game aspect. Letting it publicly bleed to the out-of-game is very, very dangerous ground.

As someone that's part of the gaming press, I know quite well that there are quite a few colleagues with all sorts of articles in store. The only way for the game and the community to avoid that kind of negative press is for them to distance themselves radically from the perpetrator, if he doesn't act responsibly by distancing himself.

As a man who has made some terrible mistakes when drunk and (mostly) been forgiven and gone on to be a fair and productive member of society, I'd like to see the community stop behaving like a playground lynch mob. Mob mentality is an ugly thing that rarely drives any worthwhile agenda and more often than not simply serves as an excuse for people to excercise the ugly and aggresive parts of their personality without having to be accountable.

CCP is probably feeling aggrieved right now that something they set up with very fine intentions as a benefit for the player base and an important point of contact with their customers has gone so badly teats up.

It's not your fault guys but from now on it probably makes sense to party behind closed doors and get the stuff done that involves the worlds media squared away before the booze starts flowing.

If an event acts as a window into your organisation, you have to have a measure of control over the people that are participating. Mittani may have been representing the playerbase but the outside world will also see him and his companions as representing the company and the game.

I don't want to see the fun sucked out of the world, part of what is great about CCP is that you are not like an ordinary company but more like an extension of the playerbase - FACILITATORS OF THE EXPERIENCE if you like, but the modern world is a judgemental and vindictive creature that is intollerant of that which does not confirm to the norm.

Keep it clean until you want to party, then make sure the doors are closed and the cameras are off.

Though I have to confess the term makes me smile every time I hear it I should point out to you goons that "publord" is not much of an insult against people from the UK

To be a "publord" suggests to me a particularly respected and/or powerful publican with an excellent establishment that punters considers themselves priviledged to partake of. To explain to our colonial cousins the quirk of language that means the insult doesn't translate too well across the atlantic ... in our country a tavern or bar is generally called a "pub" a landlord or barkeep might be called a "publican" hence a "publord" suggests a rather excellent publican with reason to be proud of his drinking domain.

This public service announcement part of the trolling ProTip series "you're doing it wrong"
from Jade Constantine.

See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment:

and

The above pretty much sum up my opinion. The Mittani overstepped the line and when he realised he stated he would do the right thing and apologise, give isk to the 'victim' and resign from the CSM. First two are apparently done and now he is trying to back out of the last.

Come back here after sleeping.

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What the hell is wrong with you all?

If it wasn't for work, I would be sitting in the glorious sun in Southern England, no doubt having a BBQ and drinking a milkshake.

Is this a redundant thread now?

Are you kidding me? Was the alliance panel awful? Sure. Should The Mittani be punished for his behavior? No doubt. Was his apology sincere? Don't know, don't care. But here you are, in a thread about TOS/EULA violations, already pissing and moaning about perfectly valid in-game behavior. Wait, let me rephrase that, about behavior that makes this game unique among dozens of generic MMO's. So, Mittens threatens to destroy Jita, a hub in high-sec, protected by CONCORD, sec-status hits and used by most pilots in the goddamn game? Then why don't you, rather than whine about people quitting the game, plan to do something about it?

I don't have any business with GSF or The Mittani. In fact, I'm a Jita trader, so I stand to lose significantly from any action against the hub. Still, reading some of the comments of people who try to link the alliance panel debacle to perfectly norman (and exciting) in-game behavior makes me an embarrased carebear.

You know what's wrong about all this?

The political BS, if anyone here cared about the suicidal guy, that's using him to bash the goons with then you'd have dealt with this without spreading it all over the internet.

I am not condoning what Mittani did, stepping down was the right thing to do but let's be clear. the over reaction against him has also been just as damaging as his actions. I believe the ends (Mittani's removal from office) does not justify the means (dragging eve through the gutter in the gaming press).

with some hope it was the last time we see a CSM member make such a **** of himself on a live feed.

be clear, it was the actions of your leader Alex that brought the attention in the first place.

^ That. I hope people realize that the only thing they are achieving with with Mittani hate posts is just fueling energy into CFC. At the end of the day CCPs screw up will cause space to burn. What Mittani said was S..t, What CCP did was S..t. However blood everywhere is going to create so much tasty salvage

A does not imply B?

You can't say that

If you hold to that idea then Mittani can't claim to be responsible for all of the fixes CCP are putting in...............

How is it going to burn when, due to the sheer number of Concord ships that build up on grids in Jita, ganking becomes nigh on impossible?

Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend.

goes for both sides

You might want to learn about the subjects you pontificate about rather than bring disgrace on your corp by making yourself look ignorant.

x Tornado

Actually, I strongly suspect emails will be sent to CCP notifying them of a perfect chance to observe the node under stress... they love that sort of thing and encourage it.

So if the node does finally go down, they'll ask for a break in the action long enough to make some adjustments and then start monitoring again.

In truth this activity will make the game stronger in a variety of ways, technologically, economically, and socially... not to mention generating yet another huge wave of positive mdeia coverage as the gaming world marvels at a game where such things are not only possible, but encouraged.

I can't wait.

Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?

Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.

Thats what gets me. This was a moment when he needed to take off all the hats and just be Alex the man. Be humble as a man and shut up and wait out the 30 days and come back and be the mittani in game.

But he just could not give it up. He was more worried about losing face to the hordes that follow him he is going off the deep end.

All the My people stuff was actually kinda worrisome.

Yeah cause that Its all CCPs fault and then its all the medias fault crap he threw out there and his lashing out at everyone is showing humility.

There would have been no major media circus if not for his ~deal with it~ then trying to cling to his CSM seat like a desperate dictator, followed by his twitter rantings and silly state of the goonian rant where he tries to balm everyone else and form hate, and eve Radio softball bullcrap he pulled and is trying to form hate against writers of blogs.

A real man would have said, I went to far i apologize, shut up about it all together. Accepted all punishment. Told his guys to let it go dont make it worse. Asked for some retractions on the fact IN PRIVATE and moved on with it.

Him and his followers are the ones that are making it a thing day in and out.


Its sick and he has only himself and his swarm to thank for it going so far out of control now.

No my close cousin only hung himself due to harassment. Never claimed i was not biased about this from the start FYI. But I try to make sure the logic of my points stands up under scrutiny because of my bias.

Failure of the logic is that a witch hunt implies a person is innocent of the crimes or charges being leveled against them. As it is become understood since the Red Scare incidents. Which does not apply to Alex in this case. He is on tape, the on eve radio doing some real bullying this time while not drunk.

Originally people just wanted him to step down from the CSM. It went wacky cause he tried to backroom deal staying on it. Showing he didnt really understand the gravity of the situation and why people were upset.

Even more his recent actions and interviews show he is still way out of touch with why people are upset with him. And he has made them more upset with them with each charlie sheen moment he is having.

CCP it is time for you to lock this up. This has been been beaten to death and there isn't even a corpse anymore and you are hitting the ground.

And how mittani keeps making it worse then it ever needed to be. As are his follower, HIS PEOPLE, as he calls them.

Just go away, you and all of Mittani's Minions can not win this battle. Each time you post, you fan the flames of wrath.

So just left the basement

Whats happened ??