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SmilingVagrant
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
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Laak Anthar wrote:Oh, sniff sniff. Did CCP make you say you are sorry?
Actually his wife did. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here?
I for one support Jade as CSM chair. Turning the CSM into a giant space brothel can only help it's credibility imo. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
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Kathryn SaintKnight wrote:Mittani,
Your actions have proved to the entire community that you are unfit for such a position within this community. You encourage and approve of cyber bullying, and by setting this kind of example, your entire corporation follows suit. I highly recommend that you step down and review your position in this community because you are not a teamplayer. You can be as sorry as you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that you encouraged another member of this community to harm himself. You also encouraged other members to do the same thing by trolling.
You are what is wrong with the game today. You have brought such a horrible reputation to yourself, your corporation and EVE Online in general. Trolling happens in all games, that I am aware of, but CCP should cut their losses and chose a player that is mature enough to fill such a position within the community and uphold the standards and responsibilities that is expected of such a role. Its not a hard concept, as having responsibility anywhere, especially in real life comes with expectations, maturity and a standard practice of behaviour. So grow a pair and step down, and let CCP choose a player that is more qualified for the position.
It is also obvious that you cannot handle your alcohol.
Actually his ability to lead GSF from the point of being kicked out of space entirely all the way to being one of the largest powerbloc's in the game, along with the ability to put not one but TWO people on last CSM in a landslide victory kinda shows that he not only IS a teamplayer but an amazing leader to boot.
And frankly people come to play this game because of us. It's our antics, our scams, our spies, our politics that drives the recruitment for this game far more than you sitting in a belt shooting a rock for six hour stretches.
I'm sorry you can't see beyond your own petty biases to recognize reality from fiction. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:09:00 -
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Mr M wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:10.7 bil, that's one damned lucky suicidal guy
Only 10.7b? That's not much.
Send me some not much tia. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:21:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Bit of an interesting point now: if he doesn't resign (believing himself to be fit for purpose) he becomes a liar (having already said he's stepping down) which could potentially make people see him as being unfit for purpose.
Curiouser and curiouser.
To be fair, goons are known liars.
One of the Mods/Admins/Gods of the site we all came from promised to eat a HAT once because he lost a bet, all there bared for the forums to see.
That jerk made a banana hat. It was at that point I knew I was No True Goon. Down with The Mittani! |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:25:00 -
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Smash mouth why won't you eat the eggs? |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
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Reading through this thread made me realize that FA's executor corp is named Clan Shadow Wolf, and that's so mindblowingly pubbie it makes me want to kill myself.
~coddle me~ |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:37:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve. Quote: There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
what.
Pubbie grey matter retention is crap. They cannot discern between our excuses and his so the last positive thing they heard about him or the situation floats to the top and they spew it as if it came from his own mouth. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:39:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK. Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you?
You're right, he should obviously sign over his house too.
Maybe let the dude come over and bang his wife. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:48:00 -
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Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK. Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you? Your right, he should obviously sign over his house too. Maybe let the dude come over and bang his wife. No, he should step down from his position of power in order to solidify his intentions. 10 bil from a leader of an alliance as large and prevalent as the goons? Hardly a gesture.
How would this do anything but disenfranchise 10,000 people who voted for him. Oh wait it wouldn't. But then this isn't really about telling people to harass someone who is perfectly ok, not actively killing themselves, and 10bil richer.
I mean the timing on this whole thing is comical.
Lets drop the bullshit pretense about him being a bad goonie man who you don't like and get down to the nitty gritty: No one was harmed. Someone came out richer.
I doubt a single person who voted for him is protesting, and it seems to me that the loudest complainers are the people who voted against him. |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:51:00 -
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If any of you idiots ever looked up gallows humor you would probably kill yourselves. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:53:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:Sorry, did someone say people are protesting in Jita over this?
They aren't undocking in anything expensive.
/we already went to see |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:57:00 -
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Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:
How would this do anything but disenfranchise 10,000 people who voted for him. Oh wait it wouldn't. But then this isn't really about telling people to harass someone who is perfectly ok, not actively killing themselves, and 10bil richer.
I mean the timing on this whole thing is comical.
Lets drop the bullshit pretense about him being a bad goonie man who you don't like and get down to the nitty gritty: No one was harmed. Someone came out richer.
I doubt a single person who voted for him is protesting, and it seems to me that the loudest complainers are the people who voted against him.
I really didn't give a crap about who the goons scammed or what actions they took in game before today. I've scammed people in Eve also. It happens. No one was harmed this time, but using this as an excuse is just a ridiculous copout that refuses to address the real issue. I don't care that this is Eve. Actions like what happened at the panel shouldn't be tolerated. Period. Also, I never voted for CSM because I really couldn't care less about it. I play Eve my way. That's it. But keep on trolling, using straw mans, ad hominems, it only furthers my original response that an apology and a relatively small isk donation is really just not enough for this type of behavior.
And what is the real issue, exactly?
EDIT:
Other than the wrong guy winning the CSM. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:02:00 -
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Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:
How would this do anything but disenfranchise 10,000 people who voted for him. Oh wait it wouldn't. But then this isn't really about telling people to harass someone who is perfectly ok, not actively killing themselves, and 10bil richer.
I mean the timing on this whole thing is comical.
Lets drop the bullshit pretense about him being a bad goonie man who you don't like and get down to the nitty gritty: No one was harmed. Someone came out richer.
I doubt a single person who voted for him is protesting, and it seems to me that the loudest complainers are the people who voted against him.
I really didn't give a crap about who the goons scammed or what actions they took in game before today. I've scammed people in Eve also. It happens. No one was harmed this time, but using this as an excuse is just a ridiculous copout that refuses to address the real issue. I don't care that this is Eve. Actions like what happened at the panel shouldn't be tolerated. Period. Also, I never voted for CSM because I really couldn't care less about it. I play Eve my way. That's it. But keep on trolling, using straw mans, ad hominems, it only furthers my original response that an apology and a relatively small isk donation is really just not enough for this type of behavior. And what is the real issue, exactly? EDIT: Other than the wrong guy winning the CSM. If you lack the ability to read, that's your problem. It's right there in my post.
You used a lot of fuzzy language. Also first rule in debating, never use "But"
It negates either everything before or after it, which is doubly amusing when you accuse someone else of a straw man.
"No one was harmed this time, but "
~heh
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:05:00 -
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de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse.
He never said that, he said "What I did was inexcusable".
Also no one died. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:05:00 -
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Dalketh wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Dalketh wrote:Powers Sa wrote:de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic. Says a goon. Ok, well I'm the anti Goon (pro-BOB, pro-Tri, pro-MC, pro-PL, etc) and I think the damn thing is about as genuine as is possible. Was it over the line? Yes. Was it apologized for? Yes. CASE CLOSED. -Liang Wow lost all my respect with that one Liang - so do anything say anything but if you apologize all is fine? Can't believe you said something like that. It's the opposite of what I thought of you. :/
I know I can't believe anyone would ever be anti goon. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:07:00 -
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Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Quote:If you lack the ability to read, that's your problem. It's right there in my post. You used a lot of fuzzy language. Also first rule in debating, never use "But" It negates either everything before or after it, which is doubly amusing when you accuse someone else of a straw man. "No one was harmed this time, but " ~heh It doesn't negate anything before or after, and I didn't use any "fuzzy language". Again, if you lack the ability to read, that really is your problem.
Look at you :3 |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:10:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:[quote=The Mittani]
Think of it this way: Nobody really likes Goonswarm, and Goonswarm has thus far been protected by it's size. If it was only a 10 man Corp pulling the stunts it does, you'd all be quickly rerolling to hide yourselves. But you just saw that not even a 6, 10, or 20 thousand man alliance can protect you from stepping up to the line and leaping over it like you did.
Good riddance, and I hope you've learned a valuable lesson.
NO ONE LIKES GOONSWARM *amasses more votes than alliance membership can account for assuming 100% voter turnout*
Are you people just stupid?
*Note how I didn't put a qualifier on that? It's because I already know the answer.
Nobody but half of the North, the entire West, a large population in the East and a fair number of NPC nullsec entities like Goonswarm. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:14:00 -
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de4deye wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. He never said that, he said "What I did was inexcusable". Also no one died. All this word twisting, name calling, and profiling does not distract from what mittens has done. This is not a matter of "you like/don't like mittens" or Eve politics, this is real. I'm sure the suicidal person mittens was mocking doesn't care about the Eve politics much. You can quit all the avoidance of the issue and come to the reality that there is no excuse for what Mittani did and that you can not simply smooth this over with the whole "I was drunk" rope-a-dope. All this said, I repeat; Mittens you are a horrible person.
The suicidal person who was being mocked has been asked and he doesn't much give a **** outside of the humor value.
As far as Mittens being a horrible person.... probably, he is a lawyer after all. But I voted for a bastard on purpose. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:14:00 -
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Aargolos wrote:Not a big Mittens fan. However, it's up to CCP at this point to do something or not.
In the mean time, watching Logi 5 click down off the evemon counter.
Internet backgammon is pretty cool.
:fistbump:
Two eveguys with Logi5. The only thing worse is JCD5 when it comes to damn useful things to have that take forever to train :v |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:19:00 -
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Jonatan Reed wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:I don't drink a lot myself and these are precisely the reasons why I don't.
I would think that being someone as large of an influence within the game, you would have behaved more maturely. Heading to CCP's event and representing not only yourself but your corp/alliance mates and the game community as a whole with your CSM position you have really let a lot of people down. I don't know if your corp mates agree or disagree with what you did (reading some posts quite a few support it regardless of your apology) but for me at least I feel a line has been crossed.
Whilst it is good of you to apologise, I feel the damage has already been done. CCP has a major game coming out soon and your actions have no doubt pissed them off something rotten. Now they have to deal with the media, possible police inquiry's and other legal bits of business because of your actions.
Don't get me wrong, I don't view you as a monster and I understand what can happen when you have had a lot to drink but I feel that you just let a lot of people down. I don't want to see you banned, I want to see you put it right and this is a step in the right direction. So I wish you the best of luck in the upcoming months because you will no doubt have to deal with a lot of regret.
- Sasha Khaine You clearly didn't watch the part of the stream with the CCP dev team members drunk and talking about ************ and the like. This was certainly a super serious stream meant to only present super serious commentary. Exactly, drinking and having fun are carnal sins. Mittens was the only one drinking ever.
Lets not forget that CCP themselves push the carnival freak-show atmosphere for the whole thing.
If anything positive comes from this it's going to be us never sending Mittens to do an Alliance Presentation ever again. They are terrible unfunny shitfests which actually end up being more trouble than they are worth (Especially this year). Now Darius Johnson? That man was funny. Stoffer? Funny. Those two wormhole guys this year? Funny.
Michael Bolton was out of control, and Mittens was just terrible. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:24:00 -
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Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Dalketh wrote:Correct - his drunkenness is no excuse. We read the post and agree. It is no excuse. None. Agreeing with you dude. It was no excuse at all and he admits it. So that some 'get out of jail free card'? Explain that non-logic? No, it's not a get out of jail free card. However, the fact that he has publically apologized for being a shitheel, gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet, and now will discuss what should happen with the CSM and CCP IS. Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed.
This is too reasonable for me. You need to call someone a pubbie shitheel or we're revoking your Griefer A1 status that allows you to buy off pubbies from the 10billion isk So Sorry wallet.
OH NO IS THIS AN OPEN FORUM? |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:26:00 -
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Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: he is a lawyer paralegal after all. Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime. i too can make things up
Hee hee they call me mister footlong. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:27:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Apology accepted, fake or not. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. You are a liability to CCP, CSM and the rest of the players.
Enjoy your soon to be ban.
He won't get banned for this. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:28:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:lol I can't help but laugh at all the people making excuses for Mitanni. You all sound like you have battered wife syndrome...
"It was the alcohol, we were all drinking!"
"CCP pushed the freakshow/carnival thing!"
Yeah, if it wasn't for any of that, Mittens would like... magically not be a horrible person.
Battered wife assumes he is hitting me instead of arranging for all of my ship losses to magically be payed for. And all I have to do is show up on ops nothing because peacetime reimbursement is pretty boss. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:29:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet. It costs less than two hundred US dollars to buy 10 billion ISK. That is not real money. I find the claim of the Mittani that this amount is meaningful extremely insulting. "Sure I BLEEPED your girlfriend, but here is a whole two hundred dollars!" "Wow dude, that's like big money, no problem!" "Really?" "No. Not really."
The Mittani ****** his girlfriend!
This changes everything.
Is she hot? |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: he is a lawyer paralegal after all. Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime. i too can make things up Last time he was bragging about being a bigshot DC lawyer, he was a paralegal. That was a few years ago though. If he's gotten his degree, I'd like to hear from which school. Proof or gtfo. He has probably discovered that law degrees from schools that aren't part of the Big Law top schools are nearly worthless in America today. If he has crushing debts as a result of foolishly believing the stupid lies pouring from the media then I suppose I have some sympathy for him.
I overheard some guy suggesting his kid become a Lawyer the other day because "People are always suing eachother!"
Meanwhile I know three or four helpdesk IT guys that passed the bar... |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
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VeiledFlare wrote:Mittani
If I believed you actually care about the game and it's future development for the entertainment of all, rather than for the select group of individuals with similar immature and reckless atttudes you represent, then I'd believe the apology.
If you really care about the game and not just your self interest, man up and resign immediately. Go off and carry on roleplaying the super villain, which of course I believe panders to your childish egomaniacal sense of worth. By all means, continue leading the herd of bleating sheep you call an alliance to glory, just don't think you can pander to the masses ("pubbies"?) or CCP and worm your way out of a display of total real life arrogance and lack of decency.
CCP if this foolish individual continues to hold onto his CSM title it will make a mockery of the organisation. I strongly suggest he is asked to resign.
x
You willingly follow Darius III.
Case closed. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:48:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:lol I can't help but laugh at all the people making excuses for Mitanni. You all sound like you have battered wife syndrome...
"It was the alcohol, we were all drinking!"
"CCP pushed the freakshow/carnival thing!"
Yeah, if it wasn't for any of that, Mittens would like... magically not be a horrible person. Battered wife assumes he is hitting me instead of arranging for all of my ship losses to magically be payed for. And all I have to do is show up on ops nothing because peacetime reimbursement is pretty boss. 10.7 billiong ISK... "arranging for all of my ship losses to magically be payed for"... I'm starting to see a pattern here... Hey Mittens, can I be your friend too? Oh wait - I'm not for sale, sorry.
Oh god the horror of a man gives me free ships. Clearly he has bought my soul with precious isku. My being in Goonswarm Federation has nothing to do with me being a Goon and everything to do with the money he gives me.
You have pierced to the heart of this matter.
To The Heart.
Alternatively you are stupid and don't get why Goons may be in Goonswarm Federation. Hint: If the Mittani was gone tomorrow I'd still be in Goonswarm Federation. If CCP fired CCP Sreegs and he rode over the hilltop with a bumblebee banner and shot Mittani in his head, then took over: I'd still be in Goonswarm. It doesn't matter who's in charge. Goons join Eve to play in a sandbox with Goons. Maybe you people despite dealing with our clannishness and being called pubbies every five seconds haven't figured that out yet. Maybe no one explained it properly.
Let me help. Goons are members of the SomethingAwful forum community. This community was one of the early "Viral" style sites, creating such lasting (Crap) meme's such as AllYourBase, and spawning offshoot communities (4chan is our bastard child). Most of us never played Eve, or if we did we logged in, shot a rock then quit. Eventually Goons decided "Ok we're kinda known for our wicked cutting edge (in 2001) humor, I bet if we joined a bunch of us together in this Sandbox we could really start kicking some sandcastles over" and lo that's exactly what we did.
Meanwhile other goons read about the Evegoon antics (Disbanding Bob, the Great War, Destroying Kenzoku, Destroying IT alliance, Spies, Metagame, Griefing, Ganks, ETC) and from outside it sounds like a very hilarious, active and vibrant community (it's all a trap to lure newbies in) even to the point of following those antics for years but never playing until eventually hearing all of the war stories hit critical mass and you ask someone for a trial code.
So here it is layed out: you are dumb. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:50:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals.
A crack team of icelandic commando's is at this very second moving in to strike and extradite him to poland or where the **** ever. |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:52:00 -
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Kel hound wrote:Apology accepted. Inebriated or not what you said was beyond ****-move. That said, goon or not this was a heart-felt apology.
You better not be still gunning for chairman after a cluster-**** like this though! I mean **** dude, apology or not what you said (drunk or not) was tantamount to political suicide.
No Troll (and probably the only post I've made so far I can say that honestly to): He's trying to pass the Chairmanship off but more than one person has refused it. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:54:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce statement"? Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense? Weather or not the person was suicidal is completely irrelevant to the argument from both a legal and PR standpoint.
Actually from a Legal standpoint it matters quite a bit.
PR... you are correct. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:55:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here.
You do realize he's just resigning the chair right?
And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members? |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:03:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Kel hound wrote:Apology accepted. Inebriated or not what you said was beyond ****-move. That said, goon or not this was a heart-felt apology. How exactly do you know it was a heart-felt apology? And I don't mean that like a Goon would. You know, demanding college degrees in psychology and knowing the person for decades and nonsense like that. I mean in the "have you personally talked with this guy before or after he gave the apology" sense. As in, do I have any reason to believe you or place any credibility in what you have said?
You think we would honestly? Most of our information is coming in through his wife right now amusingly enough (She is a Goon as well, but does not play Internet Spaceships and in fact hates this game). Ultimately the only thing anyone can do from a logical standpoint is take it at face value, hope it's right.
Notrollzone: I honestly don't like Mittens that much, in the real world he's a bit of a hoity toity elitist snob, his jokes fall flat and outside of story time he's not a particularly good public speaker. But in spaceships the man gets results as both the leader of a major Powerbloc and as the head of the CSM. He virtually works magic in seeing the potential in others and putting it right where it can do the most good.
Frankly we're just milking as much effectiveness as we can out of the man before he has a complete meltdown goes fuckgoons and disbands the alliance.
Probably tomorrow when he logs in. |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:05:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Xython wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT. Actually, unlike your head honcho I don't claim fame for other peoples work. Please, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD list all of the accomplishments Mittens has taken from other people. :effort:
Bitter EO alt spotted. |

SmilingVagrant
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:08:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote: You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately.
Nah. We'd countertroll.
Also it should be noted that molle did tell us to go die in video format during the Bob BBQ.
But that's a bit of a weak equivalence. I'm willing to bet you can find more than one threat or bits of reveling in real life harms and death that have occurred to various goons if you dug into the forums a bit. |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:10:00 -
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Jonatan Reed wrote:Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: Probably tomorrow when he logs in.
But banned chars can't log in... My god, THEY ARE LEARNING 
Changing my vote to ban Mittens. I'm too lazy to put my crap in a carrier and jump it to lowsec. |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:13:00 -
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Xython wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control. This can not be quoted enough. No one is saying him mocking The Wis for freaking out was in the wrong. Him hinting at further, open harassment was.
Yeah the slide was fine. |

SmilingVagrant
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:14:00 -
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Princess Nana wrote:CSM Chairman has exposed himself as unfit for position. A verified cyber bully has no place emboldening it upon themselves, elected or otherwise to claim that they represent the best interests of the eve online community.
I hope we reach the point where "Cyber Bully" becomes one of those terms we are embarrassed about in a couple of years. |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:20:00 -
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Pedro Chang wrote:Voith wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history. People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life. ****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons. Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received. Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.
Actually he was doing it as the head of his alliance. The CSM panel was during another point in the day. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:25:00 -
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Pedro Chang wrote: Some pubbie drivel
So if it's impossible to divorce alliance heads from CSM actions at what point does the entire CSM process become bunk?
*Hint: If you disallow for that it's bunk from the very start. |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:33:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Markus Reese wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Never not quoting sensible posts. Careful, talk like that will make me stop hating goons! Man, and I can't even come up with a creative bad post to make you hate me again! I guess I should quit and go to TEST, they're better at badposts.
Have you seen spaceGBS lately?
Also I'm back from sleeping and working. Where are we at in the thread? |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
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Kallynda Nai wrote:ovenproofjet wrote:Wow 130 pages of pure nonsense, and only one good post. Mittens post.
Sometimes people just need to gain a sense of humour.... **** you, my posts are goddamn hilarious.
Yeah my Jade Constantine space brothel quip was spot on.
Because he runs a space brothel. |

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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
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An internet whorehouse if you will. |

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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:55:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Christ.......like a bunch of old WashWomen here, give it a break. The guy apologized whether you believe it or not dosen't matter, its in CCP's hands now. Faster we bury this the better it is for the game & community.
Eh this is entertaining. We're taking bets on Mittens disbanding the alliance for a comedy trifecta (All my stuff is in my SMA ready to jump to lowsec). |
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