Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding.
Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him.

Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.

this really looks like a 100% clean factor.

http://i.imgur.com/w6WrT.png

specially after seeing that 1 ..
guess posting stuff only works from one side when your a goonie.

The reason the forum doesn't allow dislikes is :goons: because having the ability to downvote a post would lead to the kind of mob-posting goons are known for. By allowing upvotes "likes" only then you promote a system where its only possible to compete with other posters by posting better yourself rather than organizing a numbers based down vote campaign. But then you know this already.

You always have such a balanced perspective on things. Frankly I'm concerned about what this could do to the game if this is ignored. Not really worried about about Goon's, sorry your low on the list.

I do not own a Titan, I could care less about any changes they make as I am a new player.
I do care about being able to keep playing this game and not have my game taken away from me because of some drunk coward.

What was said and what happen are only minor details. The fact that this got leaked, given, to the gaming press and that it could be picked up by the main street media in the USA is scary as we have a cyber bullying PC crusade going on here and this would be even more ammo for their cause.

The problem is more of the What Ifs then what is happening or as happened in EVE. I agree had this been an EVE only issue, this would be way over blown but since it can and has involved parties out side of EVE Online, that is what has me worried.

fyp

When you want to heal from being stabbed in the back, the first step is to remove the knife. Once Alex has resigned from the CSM and left Eve in disgrace we can begin to heal.

Anyways, as almost everyone posting on here, who isn't a goon or an npc goon alt has so strongly stressed and agreed upon, Mittens must resign from CSM and CEO.

So where are the goons prepared to stand up and say that what Alexander Gianturco did on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable and he should step down as chair then exactly?

The body currently headed by The Mittani is discussing recent events involving the behaviour of The Mittani? Cool.

I don't think 'conversely' is the word you're after. The precise point is we don't know what will happen, which means such actions are a gamble with someone's well-being. I don't think 'internal consistency' is really the phrase you need either since you haven't pointed out any inconsistency but do please continue to throw arbitrary words and phrases into sentences. You know, monkeys and typewriters and all that ... you might put together something sensible somewhere down the line by accident.

Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting

Yes that is right, because the Goons are Saints and have never stepped over the line or told people they should die in numerous ways, forgot about that.

I can see the difference, you can tell x amount of people to go and kill themselves and a lot of other vile crap and its fine.

You can joke about peoples personal disabilities, there religion, their race, their person circumstances, you can make racist remarks and that is all fine as well.

You can also humiliate people on forum, in public in front of thousand of people and that is okay as well.

However once somebody does the same thing to you it suddenly because a serious issue and is no longer funny and those who do it are very bad and evil people.

Yep.. gotcha

To put it simply, failing to substantively punish tbp The Mittani (Alex) opens CCP up to a reasonable claim if a similar case arises in the future that includes a viable plaintiff.

No you are not defending the Mittani's actions, however you trying to claim that its fine to post personal attack using any and all subject matter as we are "Your Peers" all of a sudden and not those "death to all pubbies" but when it comes back at you its no longer cool.

As I said it your fellow goon friend, how you can be surprised when people treat you the same as you treat them?

As for the The Mittani apologising, do you seriously think that most people were going to believe him?

Here is a guy who has made a name for himself as a lying, cheating, pubbie hating bastard and all of a sudden people should believe him, let alone the fact that we have had goons actually come on the forums and post how in a couple of days they are all going to be laughing at everybody on your forums about how we all got trolled.

There is a large difference between "hysteria and misinformation" and simple, clear cut calls for someone guilty of an unacceptable social and professional behavior to face the actual consequences of what he did, instead of just saying "sorry I was drunk" and hoping to get away with a wirstslap.

Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked.

I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them.

See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.

Nothing can save him from being banned, just read this article and you'll see why. Before he apologized he wrote "deal with it". He did not stop digging even after the scandal. He is totally arrogant about the whole issue.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/

Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.

Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.

Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87322&find=unread

thats a bit old and the comments arnt mixed

dunno if it leaked outside gaming press sofar , but as soon as one picks it up it will spread

thats up to you

but its all over the gaming sites ..

Yes, this is, unfortunately, currently "business as usual" in EVE. But it should not be. Eight years ago it wasn't. Even five years ago it was usual for people to feel at least a bit silly if not ashamed if they clearly overstepped the lines and made other players seriously uncomfortable.

I agree with Elsebeth completely on this point and I think you are being deeply dishonest with the response you gave to that new player Ranger 1.

The situation you describe is the outlook of SA forums and an alien culture that has sought to impose itself on the community of eve online. But its a tiny fraction of the player base regardless of how much noise it makes during these threads on the forums. Most players are not Goons, don't think like goons, and don't act like goons. Despite the way the game has been portrayed by Alexander Gianturco's behaviour at Fanfest the game has not been culturally colonized to the exclusion of all else by this kind of brash sexist, hateful I guess you could say Aris Bakhtanians style outlook.

And more to the point I think that was the precise point CCP themselves were trying to make all the way through the Fanfest presentations. "We play the game hard and ruthlessly but face to face as people we're lovely!" I mean jesus christ, you could practically read that script on the teleprompters for their anchor team.

Its a good line. It harnesses the "core gaming" experience stuff their marketing VP was on about, it differentiates the game from other "soft core" theme park MMOs while still reaching out for subscribers who might have previously been put off by all the horrible behaviour and casual bullying that goes on amongst certain sections of the community.

We blow each others ships to hell every night, but there isn't a call to send people to harress a guy into suicide after you ruin his barge business. I mean how complicated is this stuff really?

Its not about me. If you want to address the issue by all means do so.

So far there seems a majority in favour of Alexander Gianturco being forced to resign as expressed in the very many public threads on the issue. But once again, if you want to talk about the misdeeds of your leader I'm very happy to do so. Otherwise, run along.

I imagine you might like to deflect conversation but lets not. So you've expressed distaste at what Alexander Gianturco did at Fanfest. Do you believe he can continue as Chairman of the CSM and represent the game of eve online in the media and press given the current storm around cyber-bullying in a climate where the industry has already had to deal with the fallout from the Aris Bakhtanians "fighting game" issue?

If you'd like to step back from the trolling we can have a discussion of this certainly.

Look Eve is know as a hive of scammers and griefers,Some people can deal with that.
But what Mittani did is even being talked about on kotaku, Even with his apology this Ruined alot if not all goodwill we had with the majority of the gaming community.
This could even **** over Dust 514.
Sony is heavy anti cyber bullying if CCP does not do something about this Sony could not allow Dust 514 on Sen.
Hell this could force heavy anti cyberbullying rules in eve if sony forces it on CCP.

I dont care about his resignation im talking about the stuff in eve that can be seen as cyber bullying as a whole this just brought it up.
Remember if Sony even feels like it they can kill dust 514 and demand all the development money they invested back from CCP.
Even if this is small they can see not acting against this as not giving a damn about cyber bullying and kill dust 514.
Im just saying.You look like the smartest goon around so just think about it if this debacle even slightly offends Sony Dust 514 is ******.

Well here's the thing: ISK from the wallet, whatever tbh, its small change, I've got more than that in my random faction ship fetish pot. Whether the apology is *enough* will depend on what people personally feel about it. For me it was "enough" as long as he carried through the rest of his twitter pledge and immediately resigned. It stops being "enough" if he goes back on that pledge and tries to cling to power regardless of the stink this will attract to the game as a whole.

Well you are in cloud-cuckoo land to a degree if you think something like this was not always going to blow up. Fanfest had journalists from dozens of online magazines and a technology editor from the BBC present. Those people have a job that involves looking over the video presentations and giving comment. As journalists its their role to seek interesting stories. The fall of an internet spaceship politcian is an interesting story. Combine that with the hot-button issues of cyberbullying, twitter prosecutions, the "fight game" sexism row and you'll see we are in a climate where it was inevitable that Alexander Gianturco was going to make the newsheets. Eve as a game is going big-league, the CCP + SONY partnership and aiming at the world's biggest single universe is going to put it in the spotlight - and you literally can't have some drunken fratboy trust fund princess up on staging calling on people to be harrassed into suicide and that NOT be the story.

People understand the issues. Anyone with a child themselves can see issues with cyberbullying and peer pressure harrassment through email, i-phones, social media and such. And regarding this game - I don't think its a question of whether somebody playing eve will commit suicide - but when it happens. In my nine years playing this game I've met many fellow players with emotional issues, depressions, rl issues from post traumatic stress disorder to marital breakups to terminal disease to the whole spectrum of mental problems. Part of being a good CEO in this game is sometimes being a counciller to people having a pretty hard time in real life. This is more than a bandwagon, its possibly the reawakening of a bit of common sense and feeling that the leader of the player council needs some common sense too.

If he gets any kind of ban then he's disbarred from the CSM. Thats one of the rules of running for CSM. If CCP temp banned him 30days for this then he's also out of the CSM for good. But if they give him no kind of punishment whatsoever then anyone who has previously been temp-banned for this kind of harrassment (and there are many) would rightfully point and claim CCP corruption in favour of their CSM chair. Its a horrible situation that CCP have been put in - if they temp ban and kick Mittani off the csm the goons will go nuts and claim they just had 10,000 votes disenfranchised. If they do nothing then everyone else will believe that Goons run CCP by developer corruption and those dodgy contacts Mittani was always boasting of in his addresses.

Everything in Eve is RP. It's good to see that he now agrees with that viewpoint though..

Let's apply Occam's Razor to a few things here shall we? Which is more likely:

A) Alex is a roleplayer in-game, on forums, and in Twitter
B) Alex is a douchebag who is hiding behind RP as an excuse for his usual behaviour.

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A) Alex was so drunk at the panel that he had an alcohol blackout and couldn't remember anything he said.
B) Alex is using the "blackout" as an excuse to cover for his "deal with it" comment. He remembered it fine, just didn't realize it would be such a big deal.