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orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:52:00 -
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He apologized to both the player involved and to the community.
It's over.
All the pubbies are doing is further harassing The Wis and badgering him for interviews and likely giving him even more attention than he would have ever gotten from anyone seriously looking to go kill his mach's, all so they can say that they have beaten Mittens. |
orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:54:00 -
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DaiTengu wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Bullshit. I've said some really dumb things while drunk and had to fess up for them. I'd be willing to bet lots of money that you think bad things about people and don't say them out loud for fear of hurting the person's feelings or other repercussions. Drinking removes that filter It doesn't make you a terrible person. Everyone thinks these things, not everyone is in front of a crowd of thousands when they're drunk and they say dumb ****. Mokanor Lenak wrote:Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted.
Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life. You just contradicted yourself and then suggested basically killing the guy IRL. Bravo! Quote:CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine. I'm going to guess there was very little communication here with CCP during his flight home. Look, I've hung out with the guy in real life, I'm indirectly responsible for HIS PUPPY (I have the same breed of PUPPY!) and I'm 100% certain this apology is real and from the heart. I hate to break down his internet persona but Mittens is a genuinely nice guy and he just let the internet persona go to his head. I've done this, I bet half of you reading this have done it too. I really, REALLY hate to quote any work of fiction here, but ... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Well said bro...
We all guilty of being insensitive assholes when drunk. We have all said **** that we wished we could take back. The difference is not all of us have the balls to apologize and try to make amends.
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orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:00:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Words are meaningless! Except those words you used that caused all of this bull, those words weren't. These ones are though! Andski wrote:neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf
The smoske parallels makes them remember the good ol' days when they were relevant.
Yes, but these words fuel our agenda.. those words don't fit into the agenda so they are meaningless. |
orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:03:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:In his hour of need, what would really help mittens would be if his idiot goon supporters laid off the spiteful posts.
What spiteful posts? |
orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:11:00 -
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I too would vote for him again if there was another election.
Only because he still represents my interests as a player of eve-online.
The fact that he got drunk and made an inappropriate comment does not change this. |
orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:13:00 -
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Selene Theron wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Selene Theron wrote:Zagdul wrote:Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet). There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone. If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo. I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials. Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff? I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying. I didnt say there was only one. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac.
No, you said that there was only one logical option. Insinuating that you are an expert and that the only logical option is the option you feel is best. |
orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:25:00 -
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I do have to agree with Vile that sending someone a mail stating that you are going to kill yourself over a PVP loss should be a bannable offense.
But if they are suicidal over a mining barge. How would they react to being banned?
I think if anything positive can come from this mess it's a serious discussion on how to deal with such a matter.
I personally think that if the game is causing that kind of diress that someone is going to come out with thoughts of suicide. Then it's in the best interest of CCP to suspend the player from the online world and give them information on getting help. |
orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:35:00 -
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The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.
It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology. |
orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:43:00 -
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That's right. He has an obligation to serve on the CSM and represent MY interests and the interests of everyone who elected him.
He owned his mistake and has went above and beyond to make amends. He does not owe any of you anything more. |
orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:54:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:orphenshadow wrote:The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.
It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology. Question then for the goon organization then on the situation, seriously please. I myself feel the appology was well written. If not for the fact that real name was given. Majority of the people in this thread did not know that. His wife in other forums has expressed displeasure about it. Those are signs that it is serious and sentimental. The question is about punishment. Understandably he is supported, I am sure it takes alot to keep the goons together. Honestly, I have no idea how from the outside view I get you guys keep it together. Something on the internal has to be doing it. But should there be, and would you guys agree with a reasonable punishment handed out. As a supporter, what do you feel if reasonable if yes. If no punishment, why not? Would no punishment be showing favoritizm or was there no violation of the rules?
I am not a member of Goons, So I cannot comment on how they are handling the situation internally. However, The man made a public apology, and willingly associated his real name with the situation. This will follow him around for the rest of his life. Not only that but he gave literally every isk he owned to the guy.
He is sorry for what he did and he feels shameful and regrets it. I do not think that he will do something like this again. I think that this is sufficient punishment for his action.
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orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:07:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Also being drunk is no excuse
Alchohol just lowers your social inhabitions
Therefore this is what he really thinks but normaly wouldn't have the guts to say
I'm going to go out on a limb here..
I do not have sympathy for anyone who says they want to commit suicide. I think its a sign of weakness and a ploy for attention. If someone says that they are considering suicide then they by god better be serious. I think anyone who makes such a claim should be arrested and sent to a psychiatric ward. It's one of the things that pisses me off more than anything.
I have often thought that some of these people should just do it, instead of constantly talking about it and using it as a ploy for attention. But this is mostly a cynnical and sarcastic opinion and I would never dream of actually walking up to someone and telling them to do it.
My point is... I'm sure a lot of us have had similar opinions that we would never openly act on.
I do not for one second believe that he had any intention of actually trying to get someone to commit suicide. I think to him at that moment it was a dark and uncouth joke. Granted one that may or may not have had real life consequences. But it was said in jest none the less.
Anyone who is sitting at home thinking that Mittens would actually want to see someone do harm to themselves has obviously never spoken to him and probably does not know the type of person he actually is.
I think everyone deserves a chance at redemption.
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orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:38:00 -
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Fenris Deka wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys. Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say! No, this probably would have been shrugged off as a very drunk guy in a purple wizard hat saying something stupid. The most attention it would have gotten would be 'trolls gonna troll' and business would have continued as usual. No one would have remembered this a week from now. You appear to have missed the 'what actually happened' bit out of your story of 'what would have happened if what actually happened didn't happen'. None of this would have happened if the Mittani had not made the guy's details public. None of it. the buck very clearly stops there and trying to say that the real problem is the fact that people then talked about the horrible (his word) things he had done is disingenuous at best and enormously self-deceptive at worst. Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel. None of this would have happened if CCP had it properly Moderated, which they did not.
Okay, I'm going to be an ******* again and say that none of this would have happened if some guy on the internet hadn't wrote a sappy mail about how horrible his life was because he lost some mining barges in a pvp game.
I'm sure we can go further back if needed. |
orphenshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:24:00 -
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The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve.
This is not about someone losing isks they worked for.
This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game.
This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game.
Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk.
If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure.
But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
You should consider un-subbing from eve online and seeking counseling.
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