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Kneebone
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Posted - 2008.09.11 15:46:00 -
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Gankageddon with a Nos, a flight of T2 Heavies and a decent buffer tank is nasty close in, problem is getting close in...
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Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.09.11 15:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Crumplecorn
I myself am not afraid of pixels.
Uh, oh...
/me throws scary pixels into Crumplecorn's face
Muhahaha, there, that is what you get for being ignorant!
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.09.11 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 11/09/2008 16:35:15
Originally by: H Lecter
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Worthless against anything with a buffertank and/or capless weapons.
True - your position defines the point of view. But isn't that the nature of the rock/paper/scissors principle Eve is built on?
Yes it is, but it's irrelevant to the discussion. We're talking about the most feared battleship. Rock/paper/scissors does not apply. A quote from a Star Wars novel springs to mind:
"I maintain that the effectiveness of the Star Destroyer stems from not only its massive firepower, but from its size. When citizens look at a Star Destroyer and then compare it to the craft which might be mustered to attack it, they have a tendency to dismiss such a notion as suicidal rather than approach the problem tactically."
―Moff Wilhuff Tarkin[src]
This is what fear(and the thread) is about: perception. We're looking at ships that people are afraid of, so much so that effective counters are often overlooked due to the supreme effectiveness of the ship. Passive/buffer setups are quite common these days and three out of the four races have effective weapons that need zero cap(drones, missiles, projectiles). The Bhaalgorn is easily countered and many see it as a juicy killmail waiting to happen.
Take the pre-"nos nerf" Domi and Curse, the Vagabond, Scorpion, Falcon, etc. These ships make people shit enough bricks that they constantly whine for nerfs until they happen.
I suppose the "overpowered" FOTM ship is the one that begets the most fear.
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Domin Mae
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Posted - 2008.09.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Chooch Chooch
Edited by: Chooch Chooch on 11/09/2008 14:28:27
I am curious as to what you all believe the most feared Battleship in the Universe is. Being Gallente I tend to favour the Megathron with its 7 turret slots and 2 launcher slots. 6 Blasters and 2 Siege launchers along with 5 heavy drones can put a load of hurt on anyone.
I fear the boat piloted by the competent.
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Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.09.11 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rehtom Lamina
Im happy to fight any battleship other than the domi, atleast the ones piloted by people smart enough to realise nos/neut domis still own everything sub capital 1 on 1.
I'll 1v1 you in my Raven.
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Vikarion
Caldari
BLACK 0RIGIN
Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.11 17:35:00 -
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An Abaddon is probably my most feared, along with the Megathron. For the common ships, at any rate.
Ship I fear the most, straight out? A Nightmare or Machariel.
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Vikarion
Caldari
BLACK 0RIGIN
Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.11 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Domin Mae
I fear the boat piloted by the competent.
This. Pretty much this.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.09.11 17:50:00 -
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navy mega or abaddon.
other then that, any bs that has a cyno generator on it
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.11 17:59:00 -
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^^ Anything with a cyno is scary, because you know that the fun your having is about to stop.
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Sanzorz
Amarr
EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2008.09.11 18:56:00 -
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I notice some people mentioning Nightmare and Mach. I understand the point from Nightmare, but why Mach? Due to the speed of the battleship?
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sdthujfg
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Posted - 2008.09.11 19:04:00 -
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Tempest.
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Barsexual
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.09.11 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sanzorz
I notice some people mentioning Nightmare and Mach. I understand the point from Nightmare, but why Mach? Due to the speed of the battleship?
because people fear out of ignorance,
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.09.11 19:10:00 -
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megathron / navy issue megathron ***drools at the thought of a navy issue megathron*****
the first battleship i saw when i undocked the first time in duripant, i undock, and there is a megatrhon with rail guns blasting at a target some 50km away, i instantly fell in love with it, it was so damn huge, impressive firepower, everything *drools some more**
ever since then i told myself "i will have a megathron" and have now had one for a very long time, it hasnt died yet
**wipes drool away from face**
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.09.11 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
What about this one?
Webber and neut bonus combined is quite impressive I'd say...
Yes its bonuses are impressive, however it is nearly impossible to fit. It does look utterly awesome though, so I will admit it inspires fear in those who encounter it.
(since it will have to be fit with top of the line faction/deadspace stuff, full T2 doesn't even come close to fitting on that thing)
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Mr Ignitious
Gallente
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.09.11 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Most faction BS, and especially pirate faction BS make me scared.
i don't get scared, i just see money symbols 
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Spacehulk
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2008.09.12 04:38:00 -
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If you ask the npc ships the answer is Raven.
If you are looking for pvp then depends on number of ships and the skill of the pilot. If you consider Scorps are the most feared ships then 1v1 they may not get hit by jamming and the worst they can do is sc**** your new paint job ...
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.12 05:15:00 -
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1) Scorpion. ECM = win. Any questions?
2) Armageddon. 90% of a blasterthron's firepower with 60km range. And just to add insult to injury, with insurance it's so cheap even if you kill it you haven't really hurt the other guy.
3) Raven. Every support pilot's worst nightmare is a cruise Raven and its 250km sphere of death. Life as a Falcon pilot gets a lot more interesting (and usually short) with a couple of these around.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
I dont think any1 (in a small fight anyway) gets more of a feeling of dread than when a scorp warps in to ruin the day..
Tbh i get a warm and fuzzy feeling when a scorp warps on me and i see that 2000 F.O.F. Cruise Missiles in my raven's cargohold  .
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
I dont think any1 (in a small fight anyway) gets more of a feeling of dread than when a scorp warps in to ruin the day..
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Theron Gyrow
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.09.12 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
1) Scorpion. ECM = win. Any questions?
2) Armageddon. 90% of a blasterthron's firepower with 60km range. And just to add insult to injury, with insurance it's so cheap even if you kill it you haven't really hurt the other guy.
3) Raven. Every support pilot's worst nightmare is a cruise Raven and its 250km sphere of death. Life as a Falcon pilot gets a lot more interesting (and usually short) with a couple of these around.
This. I'd also add Abaddon to the list - a bit less damage output than Geddon but it takes a whole lot of damage input to take it out of the fight.
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128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 09:04:00 -
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It all depends on the situation, I must say that the Nightmare has impressed me tremendously, super high DPS even at long range, combine that with some decent scouts and a tackler and you can take out alot of shit coming through a gate.
When it comes to normal Bs I like setting up hitpoint tanks and remote reps (drones and reppers).
And lately Ive been flying around in a ship I always thought sucked for pvp, but turned out to be quite versatile when fitted and used properly, namely the Raven.
Ive fitted it out as a HAC/Recon killer and alot of people dont expect that raven in the belt to put 2 heavy neuts on you and tear you ship apart in 3 volleys, perfect bait. Add some ECCM to that and Mr. Falcon pilot will have to warp out quite rapidly as the first Paradise cruisemissiles take out his shield..
Your question has no 1 answer, it all depends on the situation, what do you have, what do they have etc.
0.0 and empire fittings are different too.
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128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lorz0r
Originally by: Rehtom Lamina
Im happy to fight any battleship other than the domi, atleast the ones piloted by people smart enough to realise nos/neut domis still own everything sub capital 1 on 1.
I'll 1v1 you in my Raven.
Yup.. that guy is wrong in so many ways...
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.09.12 09:11:00 -
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smartbomb-BS in lowsec or in nullsec with bubbles (hi heikki! *waves*)
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Spooooon Man
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Posted - 2008.09.12 09:26:00 -
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I personally thing the Hyperion, for pure sex appeal.
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.09.12 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 12/09/2008 11:36:40
Originally by: Sanzorz
I notice some people mentioning Nightmare and Mach. I understand the point from Nightmare, but why Mach? Due to the speed of the battleship?
Because if your not at a gate in your Battleship for example and meet a nano fitted Mach, you nothing more than fuked, as long the Mach pilot knows what he's doing.
But yeah, the Nightmare is pretty insane tbh. But that's only when it have Officer or Deadspace stuffs fitted.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 12:03:00 -
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Regular BS:
Armageddon (or Abbadon, or Apoc if I'm in a smaller ship counting on range). High DPS, awesome range.
Torp Ravens (They hurt. They hurt at range. In fact, if they load Javs, they hurt at a lot of range.)
Faction BS:
all well setup faction BS scare me.
Btw, a note on the Blaghorn - after seeing one with T2 trimarks + HG slaves + etc, well - it's a nasty ship
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Holy Lowlander
Aurora Acclivitous
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Posted - 2008.09.12 13:38:00 -
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the scorpion is one big bad mofo ...
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woot I wants a toy arbitrator !!! :O
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Acinonyx Jubatus
Wyverns of Dionysus
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.09.12 14:08:00 -
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Typhoon...
You never know wtf it's gonna do, be speedy, have neuts, have smartbombs, torp/AC fit, ya never know.
That and just look at it, its design is pretty scary.
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Kitti Kenzaki
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Posted - 2008.09.12 14:17:00 -
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Only considering T1 non faction BS :
Scorpion for ECM ability
Raven agains NPC
Megathron for pure close range DPS
Arma for cheap med range DPS
Abaddon for med range DPS and easyness to fit
Tempest for long range alpha strike
Apocalypse for sniping
Dominix for close combat (need drone skills and have to be neut fited)
Typhoon for speed...
As you can see almost all BS can be the "most feared".
Depend on the situation/fit/pilot's skills/etc.
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PMolkenthin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.12 14:29:00 -
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Dominix. Whatever your flying, if you go up against a decent domi pilot, its gonna be a handful.
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