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Lucky Looser
Mental Madness Inc
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:19:00 -
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Hi everybody
As I get it from a petition by a Gamemaster since Incarna the ability of Wingcommander are removed to get bonus from Fleetcommanders.
Lets get it on
Old:
Fleetcommander gives bonus to hisself and all members in the Fleet
WC's recives the Bonus from hisself and the FC and gives bonus for his Squats below him
Same for Squad commanders
so it was FC >> WC >> SC
What is new copyed from GM answer
Wing Commander cannot receive any bonus provided by Fleet commander and vice versa. Squad commander, however, is an exception. And all members that are not commanders can receive bonuses from their superiors.
In my little opinion the system should be back to the old system.
Pls Like this post/thread to get attension to this problem.
Best regards
Lucky Looser
Ceo Mental Madness Inc
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Faridi Dem
Brothers of Destiny
Pure Madness.
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:23:00 -
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 fix it please
blubb
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:29:00 -
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If that is true, that is crazy! Has to be a mistake. First off, the simple fact of somebody doing the coding on something so pointless of a change boggles me. Second, a fleet has only 5 wing commanders, is it that horrible that 5 people in a fleet, with whom spies will pass on info about have the FC bonus?
I agree, as a commship pilot, is tarded and makes absolutely no sense. Back to old please. Unless somebody can give a valid/logical reason of why a WC shouldn't receive the fleet bonus. |
Lucky Looser
Mental Madness Inc
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:12:00 -
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Guys share this thread to all your friends and foes. Lets get real attension to this. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:53:00 -
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Why did they do that?
I hope they change it back. |
Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:14:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Why did they do that?
I hope they change it back.
so do I
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Alyssia Benar
Cult of the Fluffy Bunny
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:50:00 -
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I support this product! |
Ricc Deckard
Trux Germani
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:23:00 -
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Alyssia Benar wrote:I support this product!
And/or service 
(aka I want that fixed, too .... please :) |
Fraggl
Mental Madness Inc
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:23:00 -
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/sign |
MarkusBrisbane
Vitriol Ventures
BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:26:00 -
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I support as many bonus' as I can get,
I swear, all the survival instinct of a lemming under peer pressure. |
Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords
BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:17:00 -
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Faridi Dem wrote: fix it please
I may spontaneously combust, but I agree with a Pure Madness pilot.
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Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
201
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:59:00 -
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Thanks to Lucky for drawing my attention to this.
Right now if you put a Damnation in Fleet and a (Command) Loki in wing, it would be silly if the Loki doesn't get Damnation bonuses. It's a less tanked ship so with that arrangement you take the risk of briefly losing bonuses to the fleet if the Loki dies, until the Damnation moves to Wing. Or you put the Loki in fleet and have no Damnation bonus for it, so there's more chance it dies but less consequence for it (since the chain doesn't break).
That's the way it should be, i.e. containing a genuine tactical choice in the fleet structure.
So CCP should fix this, indeed. |
b33f13
Brothers of Destiny
Pure Madness.
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:57:00 -
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gj lucky |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:18:00 -
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So you are upset that 5 people out of a maximum ~250 are not getting bonuses from the FC .. the FC who does not necessarily have be booster since we got fleet-booster position (that does not have to be in any sort of leadership spot) when the change was made.
Or was the fleet-booster thing taken out again? If so then that is what you should be complaining about.
Either way, the 'Links On-grid' movement is picking up steam .. you may have much bigger things to worry about in the near future  |
splatterhead
Royal Guardians
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:56:00 -
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support also from us |
Tybus25
Royal Guardians
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:59:00 -
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/sign |
Vegaa1
Royal Guardians
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:04:00 -
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Indeed! Fix that! |
Tek Handle
Biotronics Inc.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:07:00 -
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*bump* |
Zombo Brian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:18:00 -
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why benifiting everyone but the wing commanders? makes no sense
they've got to fix this +1 |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:56:00 -
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Agreed, WC not getting boosts from FC does not make sense.
Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Syzygium
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:24:00 -
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Of course the commanders should get the same boni as all other fleet members do? The old system was perfectly fine, so why change it? *confused* |
Louis Trenker
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:08:00 -
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Fix it now, seems more important to me than renaming Heavy Missiles every 2 weeks... |
Galorndon
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:34:00 -
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thx lucky
 CCP - please fix this! |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:46:00 -
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This is a daft change and needs to be fixed. |
Rinolt
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:02:00 -
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Working as intended...NOT. Fix It! |
Flaming Lies
Brothers of Destiny
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:13:00 -
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Fit it now!
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Bionorica
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:15:00 -
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please fix this |
Elder Thorn
Ghosts of War
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:19:00 -
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if this is not a bug, its bullshit.
Fix this and stop renaming modules instead |
Capitaine Sky
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:08:00 -
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fix this! |
Erik Virco
psychiatry inc.
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:39:00 -
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CCP calling this bug a feature ? Reminds me to something.. someone tell them it doesn't work ! |
Egosession
Brothers of Destiny
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:42:00 -
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CCP - fix this!!! Please! |
Delenarious
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:17:00 -
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When i first heard from these changes i thought that the Dev himself misunderstood the game mechanics. Would not have been the first time. When the bug was confirmed as a feature i couldnt prevent laughing. Why the hell would you want to change a good working system in something totally crappy like that ? Theres just like no sense in revoking bonuses from wing commanders, especially if you guys dislike offgrid boosters like you stated before. Now you've just pushed them..
Thats a bug and not claiming it as one just doesnt fix it.
Greetings. |
Miranda Teilir
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:34:00 -
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Fix this CCP !! |
Sebastian Stadtherr
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:58:00 -
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/sign |
Katzenlord
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:37:00 -
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CCP, please fix it back to the old pattern. |
Lucky Looser
Mental Madness Inc
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:18:00 -
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bumb
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Is there a dev who could tell us a reason why this change was made? |
Galba Soleb
Immortal Legion
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:39:00 -
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fix it now, please! |
GKO
I-F-L
I-F-L Intergalactic Space Holding
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:58:00 -
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wtf CCP. Please fix asap. Focus on that, it is a game based on fleets. And fire the guy who changed it. Or put him in the evegate team as punishment. |
Torsten Whitehawk
Overplayed Associates Ltd.
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:03:00 -
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Hi CCP,
send me an ingame mail if you want to discuss this. I would really like to see that changed back.
If you are WC ongrid, it does matter. If you are offgrid, it is 90% of the time not that important (some special sig based cases excluded). This looks like a nerf to ongrid CS and that is really confusing. Can you explain why you did this? Because I would rather see more CS on field comitting to the fight....
Thanks! |
Salchichong
Beyond Legal Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:26:00 -
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Yes. Please fix it Greyscale. |
Audax Rarnikwar
Overplayed Associates Ltd.
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:09:00 -
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This change is a bad change, please revert it. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
384
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:02:00 -
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Non-sensical change. |
Mrs MilkMan
Phlippo Empire Operations
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:16:00 -
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CCP, why would you ... ? |
Phlippolina
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 20:57:00 -
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Are there already any changes back to a real fleet setup? |
melundulatus
Strategic Solutions Ltd.
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.02 09:26:00 -
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fix this! |
Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2012.04.02 09:43:00 -
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/signed |
Salchichong
Beyond Legal Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.04.02 10:12:00 -
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Is it already fixed CCP? |
RaVenC
WCFAN Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.02 11:19:00 -
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Fix it!  |
Siricco
Brothers of Destiny
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.02 11:26:00 -
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siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigned! |
TheMean Machine
Quantar Swords
Pure Madness.
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Posted - 2012.04.02 14:02:00 -
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x |
SvetIanna
Phlippo Empire Operations
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 10:40:00 -
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Yeah bring back a working bonus for all people. People are equal. Even wing commanders! |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
975
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:16:00 -
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Lucky Looser wrote:Hi everybody
As I get it from a petition by a Gamemaster since Incarna the ability of Wingcommander are removed to get bonus from Fleetcommanders.
Lets get it on
Old:
Fleetcommander gives bonus to hisself and all members in the Fleet
WC's recives the Bonus from hisself and the FC and gives bonus for his Squats below him
Same for Squad commanders
so it was FC >> WC >> SC
What is new copyed from GM answer
Wing Commander cannot receive any bonus provided by Fleet commander and vice versa. Squad commander, however, is an exception. And all members that are not commanders can receive bonuses from their superiors.
In my little opinion the system should be back to the old system.
Pls Like this post/thread to get attension to this problem.
Best regards
Lucky Looser
Ceo Mental Madness Inc
Cumulative bonuses are bad for the game, however if whatever squad/fleet or wing commander has an unique active bonus there's no reason why the whole fleet shouldn't profit from it.
In fact I'm all for making Titans the ultimate command ship full of links, command and field command ships the wing and squad ones with only 2 available slots for links. More command ships to the battlefield instead of off grid T3 boosting !! |
Retoc
Brothers of Destiny
Pure Madness.
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:39:00 -
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fix it!!! |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae
ROMANIAN-LEGION
96
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:55:00 -
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Bump for posterity. This one I really would like to understand why. Of all the issues in game, this is the only thing I have never seen any complaints about! |
SvetIanna
Phlippo Empire Operations
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:26:00 -
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CCP start boosting the ongrid command ships, let them have their bonus. that includes WC getting bonus from FC. At the moment you are forcing T3 offgrid boost which leads to less pvp. Which is bad for eve. Reward comittment to a fight, not offgrid boost :(
=> a WC without FC boost while the whole fleet gets that boost will think about the risk of being ongrid and shootable. They will most likely switch to offgrid and just cloak/warp off in case someone scans. Which is boring. |
bishop841C
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2012.04.07 07:50:00 -
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*sign* & bumb |
SvetIanna
Phlippo Empire Operations
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:53:00 -
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bump |
Torsten Whitehawk
Overplayed Associates Ltd.
Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 11:35:00 -
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swoop, swoop, swoop. bad change. |
Favorite Dealer
Eve Inc. - DE
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:13:00 -
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CCP, fix it now! |
328458745857 58093342342 324324230423
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.11 08:51:00 -
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bumpinnnnnnn eeerrrrrrryyyyy dddaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy, yarr! |
Kraal Rokviente
Strategic Solutions Ltd.
Pure Madness.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:04:00 -
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Fix it! |
GKO
I-F-L
I-F-L Intergalactic Space Holding
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:43:00 -
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Oh well CCP. No answer? |
Arana VanAtier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:37:00 -
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hump da bump! |
Katerwaul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:29:00 -
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Internet spaceships iz serious business.
Please add the realism back in & let the FC Booster boost wingleaders. |
Arana VanAtier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:34:00 -
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. |
Arana VanAtier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:14:00 -
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. |
savoco
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs
Pure Madness.
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Posted - 2012.04.28 19:17:00 -
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fix it! |
Lucky Looser
Mental Madness Inc
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:55:00 -
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it is hard for me to see how little attension this issue gets. Only 2 Allianceleader set a post up here. No one of the big Blocks see this issue or mean he has the time even no Main FC of a Block. |
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