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Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.09.13 12:36:00 - [1] [Arty Vargur, Mission Running, Balanced Tank/DPS] [High-Slots] 4X 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I 2X Small Tractor Beam I 1X Salvager I [Med-Slots] 1X Caldari Navy Large Shield Booster 2X Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier 2X Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 1X Cap Recharger II [Low-Slots] 3X Gyrostabilizer II 1X Damage Control II 1X Shadow Serpentis Power Diagnostic System [Rig-Slots] 2X Capacitor Control Circuit II [Drone Bay] 7X Hammerhead II I'm working a Lvl 4 Caldari agent. This has worked well for me in almost every mission. I have found it to be a nice balance between tank and dps. In most cases running solo I can salvage all the wrecks as I go along and rarely resort to leaving wrecks for my salvage destroyer to come back for. Cargo space is great but not perfect so sometimes a jet can of loot gets BM's and picked up later after mission is turned in. I'm particularly happy with the resists; the faction invulns mean I don't have to change out specific hardners to accommodate the rat damage types. Also the tank runs forever for me which is lovely indeed. The dps is sufficient to deal with Rachen Mysuna. Only 3 drawbacks so far: 1. I've experimented with AC. In most missions I find the Arties more effective than AC. Some few missions with almost every rat moving quickly under or close to under the arties come up. In which case it is easy enough to switch temporarily to AC. 2. The occasional murderously overwhelming Pith ECM jamming which I can't find a solo solution to. In which case a few well chosen expletives and an alt or friend to help out does the trick. 3. A tight fit indeed for me hence the faction PDS. Thus fitting the T2 Arties is a PG forced standoff between tank and dps. I can't fit them without dropping the DCII for a PDUII which makes the resists a bit lower than I am happy with (but still better than two different specific hardners).
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.09.13 12:37:00 - [2] [Vargur, Mission Arty, Exceptional Tank Less dps] [High-Slots] 4X 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I 2X Small Tractor Beam I 1X Salvager I [Med-Slots] 1X Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster 2X Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field 1X Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier 2X Cap Recharger II [Low-Slots] 2X Gyrostabilizer II 1X Shadow Serpentis Power Diagnostic System 2X Capacitor Power Relay II [Rig-Slots] 2X Capacitor Control Circuit II [Drone Bay] 7X Hammerhead II This was my first setup when I was a little concerned about all the ISK down the tube if I made an error and got popped. Basically you rarely see any red shield HP status with this setup and when you do see it you have to be looking right at it because it doesn't hang around long. I was unhappy when it wouldn't pop Rachen Mysuna so I played around and got the more balanced setup you see posted above.
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.09.13 12:38:00 - [3] Edited by: Kurull Skullsplitter on 13/09/2008 12:38:42 I should be so pleased if anyone can improve on either setup while leaving them both Arty setups and not AC. Thank you. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Relationships are ours to make; we define them, day by day, by who we choose to love and how we choose to love them. And, by these choices, define ourselves. Richard N. Patterson
Evanade Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.13 12:51:00 - [4] Go T2 fit 4 gyro's for better dps --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.09.13 13:01:00 - [5] T2 arty is really worth it ... If you can't/don't want to, get Republic Fleet ones at least. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.09.13 13:04:00 - [6] Good suggestions. I am trying to keep a tank that runs forever. I can't fit the suggested and do so.
Tearavygh Quillam COLSUP	Posted - 2008.09.13 14:14:00 - [7] [Vargur, mission 1200mm] Reactor Control Unit II Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II X-Large Shield Booster II Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Cap Recharger II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Republic Fleet 1200mm Artillery, EMP L Republic Fleet 1200mm Artillery, EMP L Republic Fleet 1200mm Artillery, EMP L Republic Fleet 1200mm Artillery, EMP L Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Valkyrie II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 It has a huge cargohold, so use cap boosters and boost when in need. Use mission specific hardeners. If you like close range and extreme tanking, go like this [Vargur, mission 800mm] Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II X-Large Shield Booster II Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier 100MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Artillery, EMP L Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Artillery, EMP L Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Artillery, EMP L Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Artillery, EMP L Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Valkyrie II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Go for t2 guns once you have the skills.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.13 14:20:00 - [8] I can't honestly support buying a vargur (or it seems keeping it in your case), or training up t2 artillery. In it's current state. Caldari BS 5, then torps 5. You're golden. Once you see a devblog recognizing the issues with projectiles, you've got about a 2 month window to train t2 guns again.
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus White Core	Posted - 2008.09.13 14:32:00 - [9] [Vargur, mission/semi expensive] Capacitor Flux Coil II True Sansha Power Diagnostic System Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x5
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2008.09.13 14:46:00 - [10] Originally by: AstroPhobic I can't honestly support buying a vargur (or it seems keeping it in your case), or training up t2 artillery. In it's current state. Caldari BS 5, then torps 5. You're golden. Once you see a devblog recognizing the issues with projectiles, you've got about a 2 month window to train t2 guns again. it all depends, i'm training my alt for a vargur, not because it's the most effective, but because it offers a different playstyle, also it picks off stuff far away faster than the golem i'm training my main for could :P (as using a paladin is less effective than a vargur vs angels), also, it stands the biggest chance of being buffed :P if you only have 1 account though or want most isk/hour, follow astro's advice and get a torp golem. -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.13 14:59:00 - [11] It's not a bad ship - on some missions it can get dangerously close to the golem's effectiveness. It's just that on some missions, it's simply god-awful and outpreformed by a t1 BS. Falloff makes baby jesus cry anyway.
Jonna Andromedae	Posted - 2008.09.13 17:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Kurull Skullsplitter Good suggestions. I am trying to keep a tank that runs forever. I can't fit the suggested and do so. Why? Let's say mission lasts for 30 minutes. And you get 1200 dps for 1 minute of that 30 minutes. Do you really need a 1200 dps tank running all that 30 minutes? One XL Shield Booster, one amp, 4 slots for hardeners (for example guristas mission 2x kin and 2x the). Using that shield booster isn't that hard. Just keep eye on your shield level and enable it always when it looks bad. Don't leave it running. With permarunning tank you just run missions slower by cutting your own DPS... In L4s there is only handfull of BS's doing the DPS and that's it.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.09.13 18:36:00 - [13] Edited by: Spaztick on 13/09/2008 18:42:11 You should be fighting Angels IMO as a Minmatar, especially in an 800 million isk ship, simply because the salvage is the best there is and you want the greatest return on your money. That, and with kinetic/explosive damage they do it's much easier to shield tank them. EFT'ing it I get a 700 DPS tank permanently running a large shield booster. With my current skills (I cannot fly a marauder) i get 500 DPS tank, which is still more than enough to do level 4s. That being said, I do recommend flying a Vargur with ACs, if need be you can put in a tracking computer and tracking enhancers. Your tank will suffer but you can track much better. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.09.13 18:42:00 - [14] I really like this setup on my Minmatar character: [Vargur, Q's Vargur] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Photon Scattering Field II - rat specific Heat Dissipation Field II - rat specific Ballistic Deflection Field II - rat specific Invulnerability Field II rat specific Republic Fleet 1200mm Artillery, Republic Fleet EMP L Republic Fleet 1200mm Artillery, Republic Fleet EMP L Republic Fleet 1200mm Artillery, Republic Fleet EMP L Republic Fleet 1200mm Artillery, Republic Fleet EMP L Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Encina Technologies	Posted - 2008.09.14 13:43:00 - [15] I can't take credit for this setup... but it's one of the better approaches I've seen to fitting for pve with arty. I probably changed it a bit from whatever the original owner was using... but I forget. [Vargur, PVE - Arty] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Reactor Control Unit II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I [empty rig slot] Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5 The 2 small shield boosters are dirt cheap compared to most of the pimped large / x-large boosters and get comparable performance, with an EFT reinforced defence efficiency rating of a little over 660. You have a good 20 minutes of tanking if you don't switch on the tractor beams and salvager - otherwise it's around 10-15 minutes depending on usage. And you can upgrade to pithi a-type if so desired (for about an additional 100 defence efficiency in EFT), and keep your faction invulns and boost amps for even more gain. I couldn't decide what to fit in that empty rig slot. CCC makes it cap stable without the salvage gear running - but 10-20 minutes is plenty of time already. If you don't mind a pg implant you can get a projectile rig in there (with projectile rigging IV you need a 3% with AWU V, 5% with AWU IV) - or alternatively you could drop the dc II for a pds to get the extra grid for the rig if you're comfortable with the tank. All in all, it's quite a solid performer considering the majority of the gear is only t2. Makes it a bit more accessible a ship. Interesting times await...
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.09.14 14:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Jonna Andromedae Originally by: Kurull Skullsplitter Good suggestions. I am trying to keep a tank that runs forever. I can't fit the suggested and do so. Why? Because I like to be able to turn it on and forget it it while I'm busy popping rats and salvaging. I also go AFK now and then for various reasons and it is handy to not have to ever worry about the ship going boom while I'm not paying attention.
Riley Escobar	Posted - 2008.09.14 14:59:00 - [17] a mission runner with balls, this rare specimen is only found in it's natural habitat.

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