Originally by: Caste Ling

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-- Also, do not sell more than half of your shares to the public (you likely already know this, but I just gotta check), you are offering 1000 shares, make sure you retain over 50% or someone could buy up all the shares from the individual shareholders and take over your corp.

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Caste Ling

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-- Also, do not sell more than half of your shares to the public (you likely already know this, but I just gotta check), you are offering 1000 shares, make sure you retain over 50% or someone could buy up all the shares from the individual shareholders and take over your corp.

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Only a director can start such a vote. You can give away 100% of a corps shares, but unless a director kicks of the "vote for a new ceo" vote, nothing will happen.

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Originally by: SiJira

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you can run for ceo outside of the corp if you have enough shares and it does not even need to be half of all

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Originally by: Ttocs Draw

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expanding my current highly successful, proven and very low risk business plan. I've grown as large as I can as a one man business and now I'm looking to expand.

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Originally by: Ttocs Draw

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All member expenses and losses will be covered while working on corp business.

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Originally by: Ttocs Draw

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The exact business model is a company secret of course. Member and shareholder input and involvement is highly encouraged. Members and shareholders can be involved as little or as much as they like. Corporate offices will be filled based on shares owned, time in corp and interests and skills.

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Originally by: Ttocs Draw

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The corporate mission is to make as much ISK as possible, as efficiently as possible, while having as much fun as possible.

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Quote:

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Our corporate emblem "The Golden Eye" represents knowledge and power. We win because we play smarter.

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Originally by: Ttocs Draw

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The exact business model is a company secret of course.

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Originally by: Shadarle

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Secrets when asking for money on this forum are a surefire way to get lots and lots of money!

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Quote:

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Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Neidhardt Foster

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I have a few questions concerning the organisation of this IPO.

Is anyone that contributes something to this IPO, as Trader/Hauler/whatever, required to join the corp?
Will it be possible to maintain own business while working with you, or are members required to perform all their actions for your IPO?
Do you plan (and possibly allready have) some sort of internal Toolsupport for you operations or is everything going to be microed by a collection of players?
How are you going to establish the trust, needed for such a business to work, between the members?

I like the general idea of working together and thus get more of it than the sum of the invested work and knowledge. However I'm still at a loss how this could work out for a small amount of persons I trust and am therefore very skeptical at an idea of your scale. Nevertheless I'm interested and Genesis is close enough.

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Caste Ling

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Edited by: Caste Ling on 14/09/2008 09:28:18
Edited by: Caste Ling on 14/09/2008 09:19:06
Edited by: Caste Ling on 14/09/2008 09:18:35
This may be just me, but when I look at an offering on this forum I expect the company to be ready to act with the isk right away - I do not expect them to be recruiting for members within the same post as they are asking for isk.

I think giving a little idea of what your business plan is would be necessary; you hint at it via the types roles you're looking for in recruitable pilots, but that just looks like an average 'bla we're recruiting everybody' corp recruitment blurb.

I read the post and felt like I didn't get any new information about anything. Focus it up a bit more?

-- Also, do not sell more than half of your shares to the public (you likely already know this, but I just gotta check), you are offering 1000 shares, make sure you retain over 50% or someone could buy up all the shares from the individual shareholders and take over your corp.

-- Same post?

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Edited by: Shar Tegral on 14/09/2008 19:14:48

Originally by: Ttocs Draw

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We will be using and adapting a proven and highly successful business model.

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Marketing drivel, as is the entire post. You haven't said anything about yourself that would make me want to join in.

A series of questions that have popped into my head: Who are you? Why "Ttocs"? What's it stand for as I see a number of people with that name. Why are you "draw"?

This is just the first of many questions that have come to mind. The who are you is truly my first sticking point though. Not everyone is trustworthy as a CEO or competent as a leader. Adding in IPO manager... it is a very pertinent question.

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Okay, at this point I'm uninterested. Alot of marketing hype but no substance.

Invest Now, 10% to 500% returns

Secret to success, just send money first

I'm not greedy, come share in my wealth

The other phrase that comes to mind:

To good to be true.

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Originally by: Enihcam Xes

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Perhaps you should put these "no details" complaints to rest once and for all by putting togeather an informational packet detailing your proven isk making methods to distribute to your investors. Just to be sure that this is not a scam if they are still in doubt offer a full isk back guarantee within 30 days if they are not satisfied with the business.

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Ttocs Rox

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Okay, at this point I'm uninterested. Alot of marketing hype but no substance.

Invest Now, 10% to 500% returns

Secret to success, just send money first

I'm not greedy, come share in my wealth

The other phrase that comes to mind:

To good to be true.

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heres a good example of whining. yes keep it up. whine, bump. whine, bump.

Im wondering what you do with your ISK if you think trading for 10 to 500 % is so shocking. You must be a miner..

I agree that security is the biggest problem. A board of trustees will be formed before any ISK is accepted. I will post excerpts of my current books in the near future.

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Originally by: Ttocs Rox

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I'm 35 and my name is Scott. I live in Seattle, USA. I have degree in Cellular and molecular biology. I work in healthcare.

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Well, even healthcare needs janitors.

Myself, I'm a bit familiar with HPLC and other assays so feel free to try out my molecular biology knowledge. Of course being in health care you don't understand GMP. Which is probably why you've topped out at health care janitor instead of pharma/biotech.

What my post was about was totally about GMP. And you sir have fulfilled the second scam-like behavior, ridiculing someone with doubts. How many more scam like behaviors will we be seeing from you? 3? 4?

But please feel free to call me a miner. I'm proud of the ore I've dug. I'm also proud of the ammo, ships, guns, carriers, faction towers, that I've built. I'm also proud of firing those guns, shooting those ships and carriers, and popping towers as well. I've also handled more isk than you will likely ever do so in game. Ever.

So, please, refrain from whining about my whining. My e-peen is much larger, and longer, than yours.

PS: Also you are cute for a youngin. Shame you can't be me when you grow up.

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Shadarle

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Originally by: Ttocs Rox

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Okay, at this point I'm uninterested. Alot of marketing hype but no substance.

Invest Now, 10% to 500% returns

Secret to success, just send money first

I'm not greedy, come share in my wealth

The other phrase that comes to mind:

To good to be true.

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heres a good example of whining. yes keep it up. whine, bump. whine, bump.

Im wondering what you do with your ISK if you think trading for 10 to 500 % is so shocking. You must be a miner..

I agree that security is the biggest problem. A board of trustees will be formed before any ISK is accepted. I will post excerpts of my current books in the near future.

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Oops. This post of yours was a big mistake.

It shows you have no clue what you are getting yourself into. You haven't done even elementary research into the IPO market. How do I know this? Because you don't know who Shar is and because you're making many of the same mistakes most failed IPO's make.

Calling someone a whiner who is asking you questions is quite odd behavior. You're hear asking people to give you money in return for a guarantee you will pay them back in the future. All they have is your word, thus they must trust you. Yet you're attacking the people who are actually taking time to ask for more information. Not very smart from a business perspective.

You see, we see this same thing happen over and over again. You are not the first to come here asking for money and you won't be the last. I've read probably 100 different threads such as this. They are all remarkably similar. It's very easy to pick out the good investments from the bad ones when you have read that many.

It's all about the person. How they handle themselves. If they start insulting people or attacking those who raise concerns then it's a major warning sign. You've already ruined your chances to get me as an investor with your current behavior, but others here aren't quite as tough to please, so perhaps if you were to shape up now and change your tack you'd still have a chance with some. I wouldn't bet much on it though.

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Originally by: Ttocs Rox

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Im wondering what you do with your ISK if you think trading for 10 to 500 % is so shocking. You must be a miner..

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Oh & BTW Genius, I said hype, not shock.

It is easy to make 500% profit on small ammo. And easy to make 10% profit on a cruiser. You just toss out numbers (attractive numbers) with absolutely no context of any kind. Thus I call you on your bs mate.

There is secrecy and then there is empty phrases that mean absolutely nothing but sure is shiny. A common concept here at the MD that perhaps you should learn;

"No matter how much you shine a turd, or give it a degree, it is still a turd."

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Ttocs Rox

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Ive gone to the trouble of writing detailed responses to all questions which were actual questions. The above is not a question or request for more information, its crap. Its called flaming. Standard baloney. Every forums got 'em.

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Originally by: Shadarle

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Originally by: Ttocs Rox

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Ive gone to the trouble of writing detailed responses to all questions which were actual questions. The above is not a question or request for more information, its crap. Its called flaming. Standard baloney. Every forums got 'em.

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You are free to disregard my post as a flame if that is your choice.

I was trying to explain to you why you are getting the responses you're getting. Now I'll cut to the chase.

You've never read this forum before, that is clear. This is reason enough for many people here not to give you a single ISK. If you don't have the time or desire to get to know the people here who might invest in you then you're not worth our time either.

I question your judgment if you believe anyone would invest in someone they've never seen before that day without anyone coming forward to vouch for that person. There is absolutely no reason to think you won't simply take the money and run the second you get it.

So I challenge you right now to stick around this forum for at least a full month, making posts on many different topics. Show us you have at least some commitment and some intelligence in your posts.

Or continue along your current path, which will lead to failure. Your choice.

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