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AT Reynolds Gallente Rockafeller Industries	Posted - 2008.09.14 17:12:00 - [1] Alright, here's what's up. I am having a hard time using my Thorax. I can't seem to get the fit right. Here's the loadout from my last one (lost it last night)(the fit really was a lulzcroozer) Highs 5X regulated ion M w/ AM Mediums: 10MN MWD (never been happy with this) something-or-other Engine Enervator (web) Small Cap Booster II with 100's (i think) Lows: 1 REALLY good named medium armor repper 1 EANM I 1 DC II 1 Good named RCU (for PG) 1 magstab As of right now, I am working my way towards EWAR and medium combat drones, but mostly for when I get into a brutix. I need this ship mostly for defensive PVP and belt ratting. I run escort in lowsec for my corps mining barge, and I hunt belt rats. My problem is the freakin range on the blasters. I only deal 250-300 DPS (optimistic, aren't I?) with an optimal of ~1.3km. he biggest problem is geting to that range. I get shredded on the way in with the MWD, and am left with not much cap to run the armor repper to fix the damage. And even when I get there, my guns don't do enough to make the pirates in the systems think "ok, mebbe he ain't so much worth it...". I always heard that the Rax was a decent to good cruiser... what am I doing wrong?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.14 17:15:00 - [2] [Thorax, Solorax] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa EC-600 x5 Switch the ECM drones for explosive drones for defense/gangs.
AT Reynolds Gallente Rockafeller Industries	Posted - 2008.09.14 17:16:00 - [3] wow... i wonder if I have enough PG for that...
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.14 17:23:00 - [4] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 14/09/2008 17:26:37 Edited by: AstroPhobic on 14/09/2008 17:25:22 Originally by: AT Reynolds wow... i wonder if I have enough PG for that... Probably not, requires Engineering 5/AWU 5, maybe AWU 4. Just downgrade to electrons... Edit: Train for t2 guns ASAP. The good news however, is that t1/named are easier to fit. Oh, and for the setup. Don't bother with a repairer, you're either going to kill the enemy or it will kill you, there is no sticking around to repair. Also, you want to pump out the best DPS possible while still retaining a little bit of tank. Theoretically, you want the best EHPxDPS figure, you know, ignoring reps/ewar. For cruisers and the like, this is a good base. If you're unsure whether more tank or more gank, always go more gank. Go too much gank and you end up paper (not always bad, good for gangs), but go too much tank and you won't kill anything. Rule of thumb on blasterboats is: If you're dieing, you're not doing enough DPS.
AT Reynolds Gallente Rockafeller Industries	Posted - 2008.09.14 17:25:00 - [5] I have engineering 4 and WU 3, no AWU yet.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.14 17:26:00 - [6] Originally by: AT Reynolds I have engineering 4 and WU 3, no AWU yet. Train up engineering to 5 ASAP. It's extremely useful. Also, read my edit.
Arcon Telf Gallente Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.09.14 17:59:00 - [7] Astro's setup is a good one. To fly the Thorax well requires a lot of skills, so it'll take some time. (For example, Engineering V and AWU IV are absolutely necessary)
Heknai Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.09.14 19:17:00 - [8] Once you get T2 guns, you can use Null M, which gives you a range boost. Don't forget that while your optimal may be only a few thousand meters, your accuracy falloff comes into play as well..so if you train trajectory analysis, you can get your falloff up which helps. Get electronics V and AWU IV. I use the following: 5 x heavy ion IIs mwd II x5 web 24k scram dmg cntrl II EANM II x 2 explosive hardner (named or T2) mag stab II and then, b/c i'm a tard and like to fit expensive rigs to a t1 cruiser, I use hybrid collision accelerator x1 and hybrid ambit extension x 2 -hek --In times of strife and desperation, heroes are made of ordinary men...
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.14 20:17:00 - [9] I don't know if anyone even bothered reading your post. If you're going to be spending a lot of time in belts clearing out rats for your friends and you ALSO want to be PvP capable, a plated fit with a repper makes a lot more sense. You aren't going to want to have to dock up somewhere and repair your armor/structure every time you get into a fight with NPC's so the general PvP gank fit with no repper that Astro suggested doesn't make a lot of sense. A fit I use a lot for PvP that works great and would also be very durable against NPC's is: 5x Small Neutron Blasters 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Scrambler (or something else if you're really just PvP'ing defensively... cap recharger or cap booster might be a good idea) 1x Damage Control 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 1600mm Tungsten Plate 2x Energized Adaptive Nano (one or both of these can also be armor hardeners if you want to tank against specific rats or want to plug your explosive resist hole) 5x Hammerhead or other medium damage drones ----- My Pirate Blog: http://evenewb.blogspot.com/ My Ransom Board: http://www.pcransomboard.com/
AT Reynolds Gallente Rockafeller Industries	Posted - 2008.09.14 23:11:00 - [10] yeah, I used to use a similar loadout, but I would burn thru my cap in a mere 45ish seconds with the repper running. and if I used my MWD to accelerate to get rats off my pal... I was in trouble. I actually have a take on Astro's loadout that gets 13500 EHP with a DCII running in the background. The scrambler can go, I am not interested in holding them down... yet. For now, it's enough that they leave and not want to come back. Problem is, I have only ever won one PVP engagement in my life, and that was when a noob attacked my Catalyst while flying an Incursus.
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.09.15 03:10:00 - [11] The problem, as you have noticed, is getting within blaster range. Both your MWD and your web help with that; one makes you faster, the other makes your target slower. So keep both. MWD to get within web range, then turn on webber for better cap performance and turn off your MWD; although, if your target has a MWD and is getting out of web range, you'll want to pulse your MWD again or just turn it on. Rather than using a medium armor repairer, I use a SAR II. Easier on cap. If you go for the more skill-intensive gank fit (with T2 medium guns and mag stabs), you may find there are times when you need to cut your speed way down to start doing damage; tracking with medium guns against small and/or fast ships can be an issue. Your Money or Your Life: the journal of a space pirate
Agarwaen Macil Est Deus In Nobis	Posted - 2008.09.15 04:00:00 - [12] To the OP: I won't post a fit here for a few reasons. One being I don't fly a Thorax (yet, training gallente frig 5 right now; only just started cross training into other racial ship skills), and two I just got into pvp myself. I've been playing on and off (mostly on) since summer of '06, and most of that was spent hugging hi sec. I unfortunately bought into the "low sec is impossible for new players" when I first started, and by the time I saw the lie in that, I figured I might as well wait some more. Honestly, as far as pvp goes I'm a total noob; hell I'm still a noob about a lot of things, even having played for two years (part of why I love EVE, so much to learn about). What I will suggest though, if you don't already (and if you do this is a wasted post, but ohh well, maybe someone else will see it who has never tried this), is to take a look at QuickFit (QuickFit - Offline Ship Fitter). I'm not sure if its the best offline fitting tool out there, but its the most up to date I found, and I love it. Even getting potential fits posted here, you may not be able to use them depending on where your skills are at. But you can import your character info and fit out any ship with any module and get just about every piece of information you could possibly want on how the build will actually perform for you. I played with it for hours when I first got it, just trying different things. Its great for finding correct fittings for a ship to fulfill whatever criteria you have (i.e. personally I always try my hardest to find a fit that lets me run everything permanently), but my favorite use for it is taking ships and fits I already use and finding their weaknesses, and hopefully ways to improve upon them.
Hardtail Red Dawn Empire	Posted - 2008.09.15 10:44:00 - [13] Quote: QuickFit (QuickFit - Offline Ship Fitter), up to date lol wuuut?
Alcononymous Caldari More-Cowbell	Posted - 2008.09.15 10:54:00 - [14] Edited by: Alcononymous on 15/09/2008 10:55:58 fit medium electrons..... just pls..... way to many think BIGA GUNZ BE BETTA!!!!11!!!... anyway that should solve pg probs abit.... go with a kinda standard gank fit and just swap plate for mar during pvp.. Highs: 5x medium electron blasters (preferrably tech 2) Mids: 1x10mn mwd 1xWEB 1xwarp disruptor (swap for something cap for pve) lows: 800mm plate (swap for mar for pve) DCU (ur gallente... its almost a must) EANM 2 x mag stab (mabe swap one for a cap power relay for pve) think fits right.... havent flown a thorax or diemost in a while <3 my nanotar my opinions are my own and don't represent the corps
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.15 11:00:00 - [15] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/09/2008 11:05:59 Neutron 3 magstab fits are probably the most interesting Thorax fits for the highly skilled, and extremely deadly in packs. Of course, there's a small issue of your tank being feverent prayer (or ECM drones, which preety much amounts to the same thing), but it works very well in small gangs. 2-3 Thoraxes with ECM drones have a very good shot at any non-Drone battleship. Edit: don't ever use quickfit. For starters, there's nothing quick about fitting a ship in quickfit. Secondly, it's horrible out of date now. Use EFT, it's a piece of software which generally delivers. Don't think the numbers you will see are the correct representation of what happens in fights or the overall quality of a ship, however. A ship's effectiveness in PvP depends on a lot of metrics and the way they work in unison, in addition to things you can't find out in EFT (hit qualities and so on) and generic PvP experience (so you understand the importance and practical value of different metrics) and (if not considering it for solo PvP) how it meshes in gang tactics which you use and tactics which you will be fighting against. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Pyrasanth	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:20:00 - [16] I've seen Branko wrestle wild mongoose blindfolded and covered in jelly.
Captain Batou Deathwatch Ltd Utterly Harmless	Posted - 2008.09.15 15:37:00 - [17] AT, I fly cruisers almost strictly. The thorax is a great ship, probably the best T1 in the game. But like my dude said earlier, it requires alot of skills to fly well. The good news is, once you get those skills you'll be a really good pilot. Things to train: AWU, Cruiser to atleat 4, if not 5, Gunnery, all the secondary gunnery skills like trajectory analysis are REALLY FRIGGIN important; train for medium T2 blasters ASAP. And fly the hll out of it. The only way to get really good in ship is to sacrifice a bunch of them to the gods of insurance. And btw, I rat in a thorax or a Deimos in 0.0 all the time. Once you get the hang of it it makes ratting really fun. And the thorax is one of the only T1 cruisers worth taking on fleet ops. They do MASSIVE dps for a T1 cruiser. My personal best is 21k in damage solo on a raven. Stick with it. You'll love it once you get it trained up. Hey CCP, try nerfing an industrial ship next time.*
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.09.15 17:01:00 - [18] There are generally two ways to fit a Thorax for PvP: A. Strong buffer with a mix of ions/electrons. The idea is to do good DPS while having enough of a buffer to keep you alive until your target dies. B. Maximum damage fit with minimal tank. This is what is commonly refered to as 'tanking with your guns' because your goal is to kill your target very quickly because you won't last in combat for long. I am defintely a fan of the latter. Aside from being a lot of fun, it lets you get in, pop your target, and get out faster so you're less likely to get jumped. I won't post a specific PvP fit because I don't know your skills, but here are some general PvP fitting suggestions: 1. Your Midslots will consist of a MWD, a point, and a web. Period. The only exception is if you're flying with loads of dedicated tacklers, then you fit two webs. 2. Don't ever use a medium armor repper; it kills your PG and you won't ever have enough cap to run it long enough to matter. As listed above, the most effective ways to tank a Thorax are buffer tanking and DPS tanking. If you must fit a repper, fit a small one and use it between fights to patch holes; this can come in handy if you operate away from stations. 3. Always fit a DCU. Gallente ships have loads of structure so a Damage Control Unit gives you a lot of buffer hitpoints. I cannot tell you how many times I've left a fight deep in structure instead of a pod because of my DCU II. 4. Drones. Some people prefer all damage, I prefer a flight of medium ECM drones given my limited durability. This is a matter of preference and fit (i.e. buffer fits will tend to pack damage drones ot help offset their lower gun DPS). 5. Ammo. Get T2 guns as soon as you possibly can so you can use Null; it's a lifesaver against stuff you're having trouble getting into range of. Carry both Null and Faction AM and you will have a decent engagement envelope and the potential for some crazy DPS. The Thorax is probably one of the best T1 cruisers to PvP in; it's fun, it's not that expensive, and it's very capable even against like-sized or bigger targets when flown properly. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.09.15 17:09:00 - [19] Don't let the people who are saying you need AWU 4/5 discourage you. The reality is, with crap fitting skills or good ones, a Thorax is going to do more DPS than just about any other cruiser you'll be able to fit. Even with crappy fitting skills you can get it tanked pretty decently and hit for harder than you could equivalently get other cruisers to hit for. Basically any fitting issues you'd have with the Thorax you'd have with any other cruiser as well so it is something of a moot issue.
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.09.15 17:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Don't let the people who are saying you need AWU 4/5 discourage you. A lot of people will generally tell you that you need AWU 4/5 because they're suggesting T2 gear that all but requires it in order to fit. If you're still using T1/named gear, you can probably gte by without it but AWU is still an incredibly useful skill to train. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.09.15 18:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Don't let the people who are saying you need AWU 4/5 discourage you. A lot of people will generally tell you that you need AWU 4/5 because they're suggesting T2 gear that all but requires it in order to fit. If you're still using T1/named gear, you can probably gte by without it but AWU is still an incredibly useful skill to train. I get that, I'm just pointing out that the AWU issue isn't unique to the Thorax.
flashsplat Gallente Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.09.15 20:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Spectre3353 I don't know if anyone even bothered reading your post. If you're going to be spending a lot of time in belts clearing out rats for your friends and you ALSO want to be PvP capable, a plated fit with a repper makes a lot more sense. You aren't going to want to have to dock up somewhere and repair your armor/structure every time you get into a fight with NPC's so the general PvP gank fit with no repper that Astro suggested doesn't make a lot of sense. A fit I use a lot for PvP that works great and would also be very durable against NPC's is: 5x Small Neutron Blasters 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Scrambler (or something else if you're really just PvP'ing defensively... cap recharger or cap booster might be a good idea) 1x Damage Control 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 1600mm Tungsten Plate 2x Energized Adaptive Nano (one or both of these can also be armor hardeners if you want to tank against specific rats or want to plug your explosive resist hole) 5x Hammerhead or other medium damage drones I hadn't played in a while, but i can say that this is (or atleast was) the best setup for the thorax. I've won tournaments with this setup and have NEVER lost 1v1 to any other cruiser, nor other thorax's fitted with Mediums. I've even taken down Faction Cruisers with this setup (yes, even the faction thorax). Heck, ive killed BC, and BS's with that setup.. crappy pilots they may have been, but still ;) I would bet on this setup any day.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:20:00 - [23] Originally by: flashsplat Originally by: Spectre3353 I don't know if anyone even bothered reading your post. If you're going to be spending a lot of time in belts clearing out rats for your friends and you ALSO want to be PvP capable, a plated fit with a repper makes a lot more sense. You aren't going to want to have to dock up somewhere and repair your armor/structure every time you get into a fight with NPC's so the general PvP gank fit with no repper that Astro suggested doesn't make a lot of sense. A fit I use a lot for PvP that works great and would also be very durable against NPC's is: 5x Small Neutron Blasters 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Scrambler (or something else if you're really just PvP'ing defensively... cap recharger or cap booster might be a good idea) 1x Damage Control 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 1600mm Tungsten Plate 2x Energized Adaptive Nano (one or both of these can also be armor hardeners if you want to tank against specific rats or want to plug your explosive resist hole) 5x Hammerhead or other medium damage drones I hadn't played in a while, but i can say that this is (or atleast was) the best setup for the thorax. I've won tournaments with this setup and have NEVER lost 1v1 to any other cruiser, nor other thorax's fitted with Mediums. I've even taken down Faction Cruisers with this setup (yes, even the faction thorax). Heck, ive killed BC, and BS's with that setup.. crappy pilots they may have been, but still ;) I would bet on this setup any day. that does such pathetic damage and has nowhere near the cap to keep all that going. oh and similary fit thorax granted I was in a battle cruiser, and he had a small rep rather than medium, but seriously he hit structure as I was still in shields
Arcon Telf Gallente Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:31:00 - [24] The small neutron/1600mm plate Thorax is outdated. There was a time, before my time, that is supposedly worked. But anyone who uses this fit now is just asking for trouble. Also, using a repairer for a PVP Thorax is also asking for trouble. Medium T2 blasters, a buffer tank, ECM drones, and good skills. I can push out over 450 DPS with Ions. It melts any other cruiser while making breakfast. That is all.
Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton that does such pathetic damage and has nowhere near the cap to keep all that going. oh and similary fit thorax granted I was in a battle cruiser, and he had a small rep rather than medium, but seriously he hit structure as I was still in shields The repper is a mistake. With 3 mag stabs & plate that'll put out over 400DPS, which combined with its 20k EHP means it will rip apart other cruisers. Its not a bad setup but it isn't meant for soloing battlecruisers - its meant for gangs where 4-5 of them will wipe out a BS/BC before it can take any individual Thorax into structure.
flashsplat Gallente Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.09.15 22:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: flashsplat Originally by: Spectre3353 I don't know if anyone even bothered reading your post. If you're going to be spending a lot of time in belts clearing out rats for your friends and you ALSO want to be PvP capable, a plated fit with a repper makes a lot more sense. You aren't going to want to have to dock up somewhere and repair your armor/structure every time you get into a fight with NPC's so the general PvP gank fit with no repper that Astro suggested doesn't make a lot of sense. A fit I use a lot for PvP that works great and would also be very durable against NPC's is: 5x Small Neutron Blasters 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Scrambler (or something else if you're really just PvP'ing defensively... cap recharger or cap booster might be a good idea) 1x Damage Control 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 1600mm Tungsten Plate 2x Energized Adaptive Nano (one or both of these can also be armor hardeners if you want to tank against specific rats or want to plug your explosive resist hole) 5x Hammerhead or other medium damage drones I hadn't played in a while, but i can say that this is (or atleast was) the best setup for the thorax. I've won tournaments with this setup and have NEVER lost 1v1 to any other cruiser, nor other thorax's fitted with Mediums. I've even taken down Faction Cruisers with this setup (yes, even the faction thorax). Heck, ive killed BC, and BS's with that setup.. crappy pilots they may have been, but still ;) I would bet on this setup any day. that does such pathetic damage and has nowhere near the cap to keep all that going. oh and similary fit thorax granted I was in a battle cruiser, and he had a small rep rather than medium, but seriously he hit structure as I was still in shields Damage comes from the drones. And i never had cap issues. I've gone up against some ECM drone users and still dropped them without ever firing a shot (points to drones). Every skill i have boost my thorax. I'll duel any of you any day.. and bring your fraps.. your friends are gunna wunna see it.
whisk Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2008.09.15 22:03:00 - [27] put it in your anus Adapt or Die
Arcon Telf Gallente Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.09.15 22:16:00 - [28] Please, bring your small neutron/big plate Thorax to Ebodold anytime.
Inventus Mechanicus	Posted - 2008.09.16 02:52:00 - [29] Originally by: AstroPhobic [Thorax, Solorax] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa EC-600 x5 Switch the ECM drones for explosive drones for defense/gangs. Read no further. ^^ This.
Arcon Telf Gallente Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.09.16 05:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Kailiao 5x Small Teck 2 Neutrons y-8 mwd teck 2 scram med electrochem cap injecter 800's 1600 thungston active kinetic, thermal, explos hardners teck 2 med rep 5 hammerhead 2's Rigs: well if you have the xtra isk to spare and are bored ;) explo, rep amount, rep amount I challenge anyone in a rax to a 1v1, 500mill to the winner Hands down the best rax set-up i ever flew, solo'd bs's, and multiple cruisers, currently 46 and 0, in rax duel's Drop by Ebodold anytime. I'll honor a 1v1. Would be interesting.

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