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Scarabeus Sacer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:24:00 -
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I have a request for cloaky ships. Im pretty sure im not the only one who has these problems.
1. Can we have a proximity alarm for when you delcoak so you know whats up? Its hard wif you have different overview sorting to keep tabs on the closest target. Nearly impossible to see in time.
This is necessary because you begin to decloak long before your ship model is visible to you. By the time you can see you are decloaking..youre dead. Its happened to me countless times. I cant have everything on overview all the time so there may be a can or some crap that im next to, and i cant see it.
So..if you are cloaked and some object gets within 5k of you, start sounding it.
2. Can you make the cloak activated module look a bit different? Its so faded green and you cant see it all the time, on green background...its bad. And lots of other ones too. Make it all flash green not just the outline. And if it turns off, have it red please.
Thanks
PS ...and all you hardcore players who "Well you need 8 eyes and 9 hands, so better get used to it..." shove it. :) |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:25:00 -
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No, Im afraid I dont agree, the cloak is a powerful tool and needs to have drawbacks. TBH more drawbacks than it currently has since it doesnt really have an in game counter yet anyway. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1189
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:29:00 -
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Overview management. I have a cloak tab that shows EVERYTHING and is sorted by distance. I'm not surprised by something getting too close to me. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
421
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:39:00 -
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Im not agianst this....but I'm not "staggering / earth shattering / omg holy #### this is needed" over this either.
Every other sci fi flick I've seen awlays had some sort of "cloak alert" (likening to red alert) when cloak goes up or goes down......kinda like running silent on a sub.
But like Floppie pointed out...ignoring all others....kinda hard to ignore common sense.
This sort of thing could be too annoying....like lurking too close to an object and being blared with the likening to "Caution....caution...caution....pull up...pull up....pull up" GAHHHH SHUT UP I KNOW THAT YOU #%$#@%@#%...you get the point. ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |

Seamus Donohue
EVE University Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:40:00 -
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Supported. Cloaking devices should have disadvantages. Interface ambiguity about whether or not a cloaking device is currently functioning shouldn't be amongst those disadvantages. Survivor of Teskanen. -áFan of John Rourke.
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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
59
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:36:00 -
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Scarabeus Sacer wrote:I have a request for cloaky ships. Im pretty sure im not the only one who has these problems.
1. Can we have a proximity alarm for when you delcoak so you know whats up? Its hard wif you have different overview sorting to keep tabs on the closest target. Nearly impossible to see in time.
This is necessary because you begin to decloak long before your ship model is visible to you. By the time you can see you are decloaking..youre dead. Its happened to me countless times. I cant have everything on overview all the time so there may be a can or some crap that im next to, and i cant see it.
So..if you are cloaked and some object gets within 5k of you, start sounding it.
2. Can you make the cloak activated module look a bit different? Its so faded green and you cant see it all the time, on green background...its bad. And lots of other ones too. Make it all flash green not just the outline. And if it turns off, have it red please.
Thanks
PS ...and all you hardcore players who "Well you need 8 eyes and 9 hands, so better get used to it..." shove it. :)
Fck sake, cloaky faggots got really huge advantages with cloaking and crying more options for cloak ? LOL
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Scarabeus Sacer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:42:00 -
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Umm it seems that a lot of you cannot see the difference between "better game-play & interface" vs "tactical, overpowered advantages"....put your thinking cap on and
How does changing the color of the cloaking blinky thing make this overpowered and having a proxy alarm which can be turned off if you wish, be also overpowered? If the proxy alarm goes off you should have maybe 2-3 seconds to react so this unlikely to help you unless you are paying attention and know what you are doing. Right now when cloaked you have ZERO warning that you are being decloaked, which is a major oversight. There is neither a text or a graphical warning , either on the modules or the ship. YOUR SHIP IS TARGETABLE BUT THE SHIP MODEL LOOKS CLOAKED...i mean wtf. This needs to be fixed. When you decloak, you decloak, you dont make the ship targetable but only lose the cloak 10 seconds later. Its purposefully deceitful! hehe. And besides, decloaking by proximity objects is overall just lame the way its set up now
Give me some sort of graphical warning on the ship that its being decloaked...like i dunno, some electrical discharges going across it. What I would do Is I would have the following
1. When cloak is active the module glows a bright green ITSELF not around it.. 2. When cloak is being deactivated manually or automatically, make the module glow red for 10 second 3. When the cloak breaks because of proximity of objects - have the ship model decloak either instantly or some way that I can see it happening. 4. When proxy alarm is tripped have that nice neocon sexy voice say "Danger, unable to maintain cloak due to objects being too close to the ship.
All those of you who see this as some sort of new uber cloaking tool, im sorry its not. This addresses the interface, common sense and just plain better and more convenient game-play.
I would classify this right there with the following in game warnings
1. Market buy warning for excessive prices - this shouldnt exist either right 2. Contract warning for zero price public contract - humm? how about this 3. Steal warning? - no this is overpowered 4. Module overheat display makeover - no no no just burn the guns, overhead needs to have huge drawbacks its overpowered already.. 5. Jumping into low sec - NOOO!! let the stooopid die 6 Autopilot being able to dock on its own as it can jump gates on its own but in a way that doesnt actually do everything for you. --- but NOT, we MUST JUMP EVERY JUMP. Docking is overpowered 7. Warning that "You failed to jump because you are cloaked"...NO but CLOAKY OVERPOWERED ALREADY, let the SOB sit at the gate.
I trust you get my point....if You dont, then go mine
The person saying "Fck sake, cloaky faggots got really huge advantages with cloaking and crying more options for cloak ? LOL" THe point of being cloaked is that you have huge advantages, BUT these advantages are heavily compensated by huge limitations. (Unlimited cloaking times aside, I do not agree with afk unlimited cloaking ...but meh, its not up to me).
I mean really, if anyone suggested that autopilot be able to dock on its own, it would get a hail of opposition from the elitist ignoramuses who have no clue about making a game better because they are unable to see past their own experiences and limitations, which is why they need to stay away from designing games
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Rimase
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:44:00 -
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Yea. I agree but more for it being at the moment the ship decloaks without your command.
utilities: ship decloaking not by choice: Multi two-tone BLEEPS! ship is Jammed: Fuzzy Multi two-tone BLEEPS (+ all others fuzzy) new Target Jammed (unlocked): new Safety mechanism: BEEP-CLICK!
failures: ship failed to cloak: High-low BEEP! ship failed its T2 speciality: High-low BEEP! ship is unable to Warp: High-low BEEP! ship is unable to Jump: High-low BEEP! ship has failed to Warp: High-low BEEP! ship has failed to Jump: High-low BEEP! ship's mining target has depleted: High-low BEEP-TOGGLE! new Target Jammed (unlocked your target): Fuzzy BEEP-TOGGLE!
thresholds: capacitor threshold: B-BEEP, B-BEEP. inhibited velocity (during combat): B-BEEP, B-BEEP.
others... |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1200
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:18:00 -
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I wouldn't object to audible alarms where there are already text notices. Rather than pings or alarms or anything like that, a unique cloak/decloak/failed cloak set of sounds would be fine.I play without audio, so that's still no excuse to do away with the text warnings.
I'm pretty well against proximity warnings though. If you can't manage your overview and know how far away things are, then you don't need to be trying to sneak within 10 km of something cloak.
I frequently decloak inside of 3 km from targets. The proximity can result in irrational behavior and trips up less prepared pilots. I don't want persistent alarms telling me I'm at risk of being decloaked while I'm scraping past wrecks to get the range I want. I know what I'm doing, and if I *do* get decloaked I'm well aware of the risk. (And no, adding a toggle to turn of such alarms is not a good idea, we've got too many toggles already) It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Scarabeus Sacer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:25:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I wouldn't object to audible alarms where there are already text notices. Rather than pings or alarms or anything like that, a unique cloak/decloak/failed cloak set of sounds would be fine.I play without audio, so that's still no excuse to do away with the text warnings.
I'm pretty well against proximity warnings though. If you can't manage your overview and know how far away things are, then you don't need to be trying to sneak within 10 km of something cloak.
I frequently decloak inside of 3 km from targets. The proximity can result in irrational behavior and trips up less prepared pilots. I don't want persistent alarms telling me I'm at risk of being decloaked while I'm scraping past wrecks to get the range I want. I know what I'm doing, and if I *do* get decloaked I'm well aware of the risk. (And no, adding a toggle to turn of such alarms is not a good idea, we've got too many toggles already)
Alarm should be optional, just like every other alarm is in EVE. We currently have alarms for shield damage, armor damage and structure damage. Does this mean that you should do away with the alarms and not fight period if you dont want to lose shield and armor...NO. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
421
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:34:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:Scarabeus Sacer wrote:I have a request for cloaky ships. Im pretty sure im not the only one who has these problems.
1. Can we have a proximity alarm for when you delcoak so you know whats up? Its hard wif you have different overview sorting to keep tabs on the closest target. Nearly impossible to see in time.
This is necessary because you begin to decloak long before your ship model is visible to you. By the time you can see you are decloaking..youre dead. Its happened to me countless times. I cant have everything on overview all the time so there may be a can or some crap that im next to, and i cant see it.
So..if you are cloaked and some object gets within 5k of you, start sounding it.
2. Can you make the cloak activated module look a bit different? Its so faded green and you cant see it all the time, on green background...its bad. And lots of other ones too. Make it all flash green not just the outline. And if it turns off, have it red please.
Thanks
PS ...and all you hardcore players who "Well you need 8 eyes and 9 hands, so better get used to it..." shove it. :) Fck sake, cloaky faggots got really huge advantages with cloaking and crying more options for cloak ? LOL Learn to read noob. This is only a change in the client/interface...not in game mechanics.
But since your too dense to see let alone capable of understanding that....yell/cry away. ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1201
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:28:00 -
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Scarabeus Sacer wrote:THe problem is not the risk of decloaking or the mechanics of it, the problem is that YOU DONT KNOW when its happening. Why do I have to keep repeating myself?! I'm not sure what you're getting all worked up about, I just said I've got no problem with alarms for things you currently get text notices about. That includes "cloaking device deactivated due to _____" that I see when I bump something. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1377
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:46:00 -
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Isn't there already a decloak alarm? It's called "Oh ****...I am visible again!". As it stands this screams "I want to afk cloak and be alerted when someone catches me!". With that said, I agree. I also think alarms should be added for a whole crapload of things including new reds, neutrals and war targets in system. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Scarabeus Sacer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:54:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Isn't there already a decloak alarm? It's called "Oh ****...I am visible again!". As it stands this screams "I want to afk cloak and be alerted when someone catches me!". With that said, I agree. I also think alarms should be added for a whole crapload of things including new reds, neutrals and war targets in system.
No, it doesnt scream AFK. THe problem is that you actually decloak long before you are visible. You are targetable long before you are visible. Thats what im talking about. Try a cloaked ship and get close to an object. Your ship will still be cloaked ON SCREEN but its actually visible and targetable. |

Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
230
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:47:00 -
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Well there is already a visible warning. See that little green circle with the picture of a cloak in the middle? When it stops being green and changes to red, that's your cue to be somewhere else.
Of course this is assuming you are not an AFK Cloaky. If you are, tough. Should've been paying attention. 
As has already been pointed out, this isn't really that much of a problem if you have your overview set up correctly.
I do feel that it does give another advantage to the cloaked ship. If you are AFK cloaky and you hear a warning, then you will change to that toon to see what's happening, so it's just giving AFK cloakers another 'layer' of protection that they really don't need. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
339
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:58:00 -
[16] - Quote
If you're incapable of moving your ship out of harm's way without an audio alert I'm amazed you can manage to type your username and password to log into the client without physically damaging yourself. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
59
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:01:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:Scarabeus Sacer wrote:I have a request for cloaky ships. Im pretty sure im not the only one who has these problems.
1. Can we have a proximity alarm for when you delcoak so you know whats up? Its hard wif you have different overview sorting to keep tabs on the closest target. Nearly impossible to see in time.
This is necessary because you begin to decloak long before your ship model is visible to you. By the time you can see you are decloaking..youre dead. Its happened to me countless times. I cant have everything on overview all the time so there may be a can or some crap that im next to, and i cant see it.
So..if you are cloaked and some object gets within 5k of you, start sounding it.
2. Can you make the cloak activated module look a bit different? Its so faded green and you cant see it all the time, on green background...its bad. And lots of other ones too. Make it all flash green not just the outline. And if it turns off, have it red please.
Thanks
PS ...and all you hardcore players who "Well you need 8 eyes and 9 hands, so better get used to it..." shove it. :) Fck sake, cloaky faggots got really huge advantages with cloaking and crying more options for cloak ? LOL Learn to read noob. This is only a change in the client/interface...not in game mechanics. But since your too dense to see let alone capable of understanding that....yell/cry away.
Noob ? Maybe you moron. Who talking about game mechanics ?
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Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:18:00 -
[18] - Quote
When I read the title of this thread I thought it was a simpler/different proposal. I'm not against the idea you proposed, but if your have your overview arranged by closest, it shouldn't really be a problem.
I think there should be some kind of alarm though to notify you that you have been decloaked though. Often if I end up warping into a bubble there is some confusion as to whether or not I am decloaked, and often warping away from combat to a belt will leave me decloaked and I wont notice. Warping back and sitting there like an idiot whilst someone blows me up isn't fun. Usually raging at the time. "I was cloaked! How the F*** did this happen?!". An alarm that goes off when you have been deloaked would definitely be useful. Proximity alarm might be useful, but it would have to be something you have the option to customize or turn off if needed, like the shield/armor/structure alarms.
+1 Supported.
Edit: Also for those of you who thinks this has anything to do with going afk whilst cloaked; your an idiot. If your safe up and cloak no one is every going to be in proximity to you. Ever. You guys are crying n00b about this topic, but it is obvious to me, that it is you who are the n00bs. |

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
140
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:55:00 -
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Yeah, unless you're an absolute moron AFK cloaking should never bring you on-grid with something that can uncloak you, much less 2 km away. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1205
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:32:00 -
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Scarabeus Sacer wrote:THe problem is that you actually decloak long before you are visible. You are targetable long before you are visible.
I don't know about you, but I see my cloak module stop running immediately. I've never had to wonder whether I was cloaked or not. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
207
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:41:00 -
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I do hate AFK cloakers...
that said:
+1 for op...
Not knowing if you are cloaked or not is a bad feedback from the interface. and that green flashy light well , try to determinate if you are cloaked (or hit the cloak button) if you are in a 10% TiDi system... good luck ...
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1205
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:42:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:"I was cloaked! How the F*** did this happen?!"
If you're warping into a combat situation and you aren't certain of the status of your cloak, you aren't paying close enough attention. you will typically have ten seconds or more of time in warp to make sure your cloak is engaged. If you're blindly stumbling about making assumptions about your ship's operations, you earned your losses.
I frequently multibox a pair of cloaky PVP ships. I maneuver them both in close proximity of targets, decloak them, and engage the enemy with very little trouble. I'm still getting the hang of catching two ships on ambush, but that's just going to take experience.
A simple voiceover of "cloaking failed" used both when a cloak didn't active and when it was forcibly deactivated wouldn't bother me too much. It won't help AFK cloakers much mostly because they're ***AFK*** but also because they're going to be in a safe spot where the only way cloaking could fail is if someone bumped them. By the time they were able to respond, they'd be dead. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:32:00 -
[23] - Quote
The more I think about this, the more a notification about cloaking failure seems like a good idea. People are in one of two boats.
The first say watching your cloak isn't a problem, the second say it is.
If it isn't a problem for you, then adding a "Cloaking Failure" voice, isn't going to make any difference to you. In which case you have no reason to object to this being added. If it is a problem, then you want it added. There doesn't really seem to be any reason why not to, and plenty of "why to".
This is essentially one of the "paper cut" changes CCP talk about. A small change that will add some depth and make the use of cloaks more intuitive. |

Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
3
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Posted - 2012.04.09 18:29:00 -
[24] - Quote
I just found this thread...
Why so little support?
Sounds like an awesome idea.
+10000 Internetz. |

Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
91
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:07:00 -
[25] - Quote
A distinctive sound you make when decloaked, that is different from regular decloaking when jumping into system,. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
453
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:20:00 -
[26] - Quote
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:A distinctive sound you make when decloaked, that is different from regular decloaking when jumping into system,.
There is....but its bloody quiet...i think they kinda nerfed a few patches ago.
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Nymph Purchasing
Ruvas Logistics and Maintenance Services
20
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:42:00 -
[27] - Quote
I'd support the audible alarm idea, but only when something is actually close enough to be decloaking you. Not sooner than that. |

Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
60
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Posted - 2012.04.10 07:22:00 -
[28] - Quote
No afk alarm. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
658
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:21:00 -
[29] - Quote
Meh.
I just wish my ship wouldn't decloak when warping to a belt because it happens to past through the roids. |

Sidrat Flush
EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis
11
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:31:00 -
[30] - Quote
Eve has sound? The only time this would be useful is if you were Afk.
AFK-Cloakers aren't dangerous but they should be probe-able in some way. Perhaps an ultra uber probe launcher and probe. |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
24
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Posted - 2012.04.12 11:19:00 -
[31] - Quote
Tiger's Spirit wrote:No afk alarm.
Fewer n00bs in topic.
Sidrat Flush wrote:The only time this would be useful is if you were Afk.
n00b.
Arduemont wrote:Also for those of you who thinks this has anything to do with going afk whilst cloaked; your an idiot. If your safe up and cloak no one is every going to be in proximity to you. Ever. You guys are crying n00b about this topic, but it is obvious to me, that it is you who are the n00bs.
What is the collective noun for n00bs? |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
459
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:13:00 -
[32] - Quote
Tiger's Spirit wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:Scarabeus Sacer wrote:I have a request for cloaky ships. Im pretty sure im not the only one who has these problems.
1. Can we have a proximity alarm for when you delcoak so you know whats up? Its hard wif you have different overview sorting to keep tabs on the closest target. Nearly impossible to see in time.
This is necessary because you begin to decloak long before your ship model is visible to you. By the time you can see you are decloaking..youre dead. Its happened to me countless times. I cant have everything on overview all the time so there may be a can or some crap that im next to, and i cant see it.
So..if you are cloaked and some object gets within 5k of you, start sounding it.
2. Can you make the cloak activated module look a bit different? Its so faded green and you cant see it all the time, on green background...its bad. And lots of other ones too. Make it all flash green not just the outline. And if it turns off, have it red please.
Thanks
PS ...and all you hardcore players who "Well you need 8 eyes and 9 hands, so better get used to it..." shove it. :) Fck sake, cloaky faggots got really huge advantages with cloaking and crying more options for cloak ? LOL Learn to read noob. This is only a change in the client/interface...not in game mechanics. But since your too dense to see let alone capable of understanding that....yell/cry away. Noob ? Maybe you moron. Who talking about game mechanics ? This is crying from an AFK cloaker, who want to hear, when his ship uncloaked, when he not at his computer. Crocodile tears.
Please...train reading and comprehension to level 1 before replying....your an embarasment if you don't.
Think of the children!!
As for AFK Cloakers...well for crying out loud...anyone with half a brain could figure that problem out with current mechanics....so AFK wise its irrelevant.
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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
61
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Posted - 2012.04.12 21:45:00 -
[33] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:No afk alarm. Fewer n00bs in topic.
Oh i forgot i killed you, so many times. But i'm really, noob yes. :P
But just as i said. Not need AFK alarms for noob like you, when accidentally decloaking the AFK cloakers someone or something. Keep eye on your ship, and problem solved.
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Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
26
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Posted - 2012.04.14 21:44:00 -
[34] - Quote
Tiger's Spirit wrote:Oh i forgot i killed you, so many times.
Killmail or it didn't happen.
Tiger's Spirit wrote:But i'm really, noob yes. :P
Yes you are.
Tiger's Spirit wrote:Not need AFK alarms for noob like you
Learn to read. |

Cyprus Black
Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking
184
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:37:00 -
[35] - Quote
What legitimate reason do you have for this feature OTHER THAN being afk and/or having your client minimized while cloaked? Go ahead, I can wait. There hasn't been a justifiable reason to have this feature written yet.
It would stand to reason that if you were at your keyboard, you would notice your ship decloaking.
I would support this if it were a visual alert instead of an audible one. An audible alarm is a poorly disguised buff to afk cloaking. You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
474
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:42:00 -
[36] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:What legitimate reason do you have for this feature OTHER THAN being afk and/or having your client minimized while cloaked? Go ahead, I can wait. There hasn't been a justifiable reason to have this feature written yet.
It would stand to reason that if you were at your keyboard, you would notice your ship decloaking.
I would support this if it were a visual alert instead of an audible one. An audible alarm is a poorly disguised buff to afk cloaking.
There's only one.... as far as I'm concerned.
Dual Boxing/Multi Boxing...
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Cyprus Black
Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking
184
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:48:00 -
[37] - Quote
Drake Draconis wrote:There's only one.... as far as I'm concerned.
Dual Boxing/Multi Boxing...
But then most could wave that off as well. Actually that's a pretty good reason. Didn't think of that. I can admit when I'm wrong and this would be one of those times. However this is also a major buff to afk cloakers and for that I can't support this. You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
476
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:13:00 -
[38] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:There's only one.... as far as I'm concerned.
Dual Boxing/Multi Boxing...
But then most could wave that off as well. Actually that's a pretty good reason. Didn't think of that. I can admit when I'm wrong and this would be one of those times. However this is also a major buff to afk cloakers and for that I can't support this.
Not really a buff....I'd classify this as an UI Feature thats no different to it screaming at you when your shields are about to drop more loudly than usual.
Granted AFK Cloakers would be extra lazy but in all reallity this isn't a damaging feature in terms of mechanics.
And that stupid argument will never go away anyway.
But I get where your coming from...as always.
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
106
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:07:00 -
[39] - Quote
Regardless of the "need" for such an alarm, from a general roleplaying perspective it's stupid that we can't adjust the alarm tones and settings on ships we are literally living in.
I'm sure most of the people posting in this thread have a custom tone of some sort waking them up in the morning. |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
41
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:15:00 -
[40] - Quote
Lets get this "It will help afk cloakies" rubbish sorted shall we?
No one really likes AFK cloakies. Even they themselves don't enjoy it. Would an audio notification of cloak failing help them? No, practically never. I hate to have to explain why, but here we go.
If they are truly AFK, the audio wont reach them. That's a pretty obvious one. If they are in a safe spot cloaked, no one will ever get near them, so their cloak will never fail, so no help for them there.
So lets take a situation where it (on the face of things) appears as if it may aid them in their AFKness.
So.. Idiot in a cloak is sitting 50km off a station AFK, because for some reason he thought that would be a good idea. He is alt tabbed and doing something else. His alarm goes off, he hears that he has been uncloaked and so he alt tabs back to his client to save his ship. Alt tabbing takes a while, and he stumbles to find something to warp to on his overview, aligning takes a while too of course, which is too bad because by that time they had blown up his pod some time ago.
I can personally think of no instances where it would help someone who is afk.
Now, a few of you are saying "Who needs it? Its easy to tell when you get uncloaked." If you find it so easy, you have no reason to post here. I know I will just get a load of "your a n00b" comments following my next few sentences, but oh well.
Good PvPers in general have their camera zoomed out to get a good idea of what the battlefield "landscape" is like, so you cant visually see if your cloaked anyway, your ship is too small most of the time. You can watch the cloaking mod, but frankly when im counting hostiles on overview and making sure I've got it right for reporting intel (and that im not too close to anyone), I have more important areas of the screen to look at. Never mind the whole host of situations where plain forgetfulness comes into it.
It should always be perfectly clear, even without looking at the subtle green flashing of that mod, whether your cloak is still intact.
I say again. If you don't have a problem with this, then you have no reason to complain that people might like an audio notification. If your worried about afk cloakies getting benefits, then your.... misinformed (to be polite). If your screaming "Ah, just don't be a n00b and it will be fine", well what if you actually are new? It would be nice for it to be more intuitive.
This is a clunky UI issue, and that is all it is. |

Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
12
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:54:00 -
[41] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Lets get this "It will help afk cloakies" rubbish sorted shall we?
No one really likes AFK cloakies. Even they themselves don't enjoy it. Would an audio notification of cloak failing help them? No, practically never. I hate to have to explain why, but here we go.
If they are truly AFK, the audio wont reach them. That's a pretty obvious one. If they are in a safe spot cloaked, no one will ever get near them, so their cloak will never fail, so no help for them there.
So lets take a situation where it (on the face of things) appears as if it may aid them in their AFKness.
So.. Idiot in a cloak is sitting 50km off a station AFK, because for some reason he thought that would be a good idea. He is alt tabbed and doing something else. His alarm goes off, he hears that he has been uncloaked and so he alt tabs back to his client to save his ship. Alt tabbing takes a while, and he stumbles to find something to warp to on his overview, aligning takes a while too of course, which is too bad because by that time they had blown up his pod some time ago.
I can personally think of no instances where it would help someone who is afk.
Now, a few of you are saying "Who needs it? Its easy to tell when you get uncloaked." If you find it so easy, you have no reason to post here. I know I will just get a load of "your a n00b" comments following my next few sentences, but oh well.
Good PvPers in general have their camera zoomed out to get a good idea of what the battlefield "landscape" is like, so you cant visually see if your cloaked anyway, your ship is too small most of the time. You can watch the cloaking mod, but frankly when im counting hostiles on overview and making sure I've got it right for reporting intel (and that im not too close to anyone), I have more important areas of the screen to look at. Never mind the whole host of situations where plain forgetfulness comes into it.
It should always be perfectly clear, even without looking at the subtle green flashing of that mod, whether your cloak is still intact.
I say again. If you don't have a problem with this, then you have no reason to complain that people might like an audio notification. If your worried about afk cloakies getting benefits, then your.... misinformed (to be polite). If your screaming "Ah, just don't be a n00b and it will be fine", well what if you actually are new? It would be nice for it to be more intuitive.
This is a clunky UI issue, and that is all it is.
All of the things I couldn't quite think how to say, he has sad. ^^
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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
64
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Posted - 2012.04.18 18:29:00 -
[42] - Quote
Arduemont wrote: Good PvPers in general have their camera zoomed out to get a good idea of what the battlefield "landscape" is like, so you cant visually see if your cloaked anyway, your ship is too small most of the time.
Dont lie. Everyone see when the ship is not in cloak. That is not truth and just an "Camera zoomed out" alibi. Everyone see it, when looks at it onto the cloak module. Active cloak module have green flashy effect.
And no not need AFK alarm. If some one AFK not need pay attention from sound alarm. So, not need cloaky alarm. Play or not cloaking away from game. If use not just one client use window mode and will see what happen with ship.
Everyone know AFK cloaky ships=terrorizing another peoples without play and with risk free, because they not know the cloaked ship types and they dont know the user active or not. And other one standing fleet not solve this problem, because Eve has so many system and inpossible to defend all system, and a good pilot can kill the ratting ships with the NPCs realy fast within 1 minute and when a fleet jumping from other system or warping from too far away, because that is more than 1 minute. I know because i killed many pilots with my main when they had standing fleets in system. |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
47
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Posted - 2012.04.18 18:43:00 -
[43] - Quote
Oh dear god. Are you stupid?
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH AFK CLOAKIES!
I feel like im banging my head against a brick wall here. I see you trolling in every cloaky related thread. If your trying to prove a point, at least try and prove it intelligently. Your just making yourself look bad. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
489
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:37:00 -
[44] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Oh dear god. Are you stupid?
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH AFK CLOAKIES!
I feel like im banging my head against a brick wall here. I see you trolling in every cloaky related thread. If your trying to prove a point, at least try and prove it intelligently. Your just making yourself look bad.
Your right..it doesn't...but the fact of the matter is it will have something to do with it becuase you mentioned cloaking device and the first thing every tom **** and harry will think AFK Cloaker.
Contradiction yes...but unavoidable paradox.
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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
64
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Posted - 2012.04.19 06:31:00 -
[45] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Oh dear god. Are you stupid?
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH AFK CLOAKIES!
I feel like im banging my head against a brick wall here. I see you trolling in every cloaky related thread. If your trying to prove a point, at least try and prove it intelligently. Your just making yourself look bad.
Stupid ? This is your best argument you terrible troll ?
You are a noob who need afk sound alarm and other idiotic things, because you can't watch a ship and don't see when decloaked. QAnd you talking about inteligence when you cant realize simple thing, your ship uncloaked or not. LOL man better if you never post again and read the arguments again, not just your crap answer.
"Dont lie. Everyone see when the ship is not in cloak. That is not truth and just an "Camera zoomed out" alibi. Everyone see it, when looks at it onto the cloak module. Active cloak module have green flashy effect.
And no not need AFK alarm. If some one AFK not need pay attention from sound alarm. So, not need cloaky alarm. Play or not cloaking away from game. If use not just one client use window mode and will see what happen with ship.
Everyone know AFK cloaky ships=terrorizing another peoples without play and with risk free, because they not know the cloaked ship types and they dont know the user active or not. And other one standing fleet not solve this problem, because Eve has so many system and inpossible to defend all system, and a good pilot can kill the ratting ships with the NPCs realy fast within 1 minute and when a fleet jumping from other system or warping from too far away, because that is more than 1 minute. I know because i killed many pilots with my main when they had standing fleets in system. ". |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
48
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:59:00 -
[46] - Quote
/me sighs.
Okay. So far, this conversation has gone -
You say this only helps AFK cloakers. I then provide an argument for why it doesn't. You ignore argument and repeat "this only helps afk cloakers". I clarify, in more detail why it couldn't ever help afk cloakers. You ignore my clarification and say "this only helps afk cloakers" I get annoyed and say "NOTHING TO DO WITH AFK CLOAKIES"! You say "This is your best argument you terrible troll?", and then accuse ME of not reading the thread.
So, lets make this simple How do you think this could be used to help afk cloakies? Because right not, I see no way it could.
If you reply again, without any for of argument what so ever and just say afk cloakies are bad again with no justification, I will be very tempted to gather a fleet of hundreds of stealth bombers to go afk in all of your systems, forever.
PS;
To respond to your comment;
Tiger's Spirit wrote:"Dont lie. Everyone see when the ship is not in cloak. That is not truth and just an "Camera zoomed out" alibi. Everyone see it, when looks at it onto the cloak module. Active cloak module have green flashy effect.
I refer to something I have already said.
Quote:You can watch the cloaking mod, but frankly when im counting hostiles on overview and making sure I've got it right for reporting intel (and that im not too close to anyone), I have more important areas of the screen to look at. Never mind the whole host of situations where plain forgetfulness comes into it.
It should always be perfectly clear, even without looking at the subtle green flashing of that mod, whether your cloak is still intact. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1326
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:15:00 -
[47] - Quote
Answer me this: how often do you currently find and decloak the afk cloakers that you so detest?
If you say anything besides "never" then I have to wonder why they're so scary. And if you never decloak them...what will they gain from having this alarm?
The lack of critical thinking in this thread gives my headache a headache. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
14
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:21:00 -
[48] - Quote
Its like the old addage. If you dont have anything useful to say, dont say anything.
Also, an audio notification of your Cloak Failing, just makes sence. Its really just a UI thing after all. (If you consider the audio to be part of the UI) |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
162
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:31:00 -
[49] - Quote
I'm dragging this thread back from the dead, because its just flat out a good idea and deserves some attention.
Post your support. Or, dont, but post anyway. This covers all my rules for a good proposal.
- Its a simple easy change to make. - It doesn't break anything for anyone. - It makes flying a spaceship more intuitive. (Something that all the UI in Eve lacks)
+2 for Cloaking Failure Audio Notifications
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Aeris Sorahka
Solar Horizon Directive
0
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Posted - 2012.06.03 19:22:00 -
[50] - Quote
Supported. +1 |

Evet Morrel
Kadavr Black Guard Shadow Cartel
35
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:28:00 -
[51] - Quote
I agree, somewhat:
Why only for cloaking, what about a sound for the end of session timers like aggression etc. or when your hold is full of ore; for when research is complete.
It would be great to be able to add sound alerts to events - a tool to select the sound and add it to the event would be a fine addition but it should be client side, like your overview setting.
A neat object oriented tool to add sound alerts, but why get so complex?
The game is so broad, you don't want to open the floodgates cluttering the GUI. Simply have an elegant tool with conditionals that filter the events only setting off an alert when the match is found. |

Takara Mora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:37:00 -
[52] - Quote
Supported - this has no effect on AFK Cloakers and simply fixes a UI issue.
Using Overview is also a great idea ---> AFTER they get rid of the Limit on having no more than 5 Overview Tabs (another horrible interface issue that needs fixing). |

Foghail
Backwater Redux Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2012.06.04 00:09:00 -
[53] - Quote
Seamus Donohue wrote:Supported. Cloaking devices should have disadvantages. Interface ambiguity about whether or not a cloaking device is currently functioning shouldn't be amongst those disadvantages.
+1 This makes Sense a basic Prox Warning is more than need, especially when your overview settings need to be reviewed in detail EVERY minor patch now.
As to the Cloak whiners get a clue the mod is here to stay deal with it, that said, AFK cloakers are causing legitimate cloak users grief along with their eventual, possibly, probably not targets in the system - add a god damn probe to target specifically cloaked targets you need 5 minutes for a **** they aren't going to find you, you login, cloak up and stay afk drifting for 10h while your at work/school is BS, Leave the server resources for the guys that play the game! |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
186
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Posted - 2012.06.04 08:48:00 -
[54] - Quote
Evet Morrel wrote:I agree, somewhat:
Why only for cloaking, what about a sound for the end of session timers like aggression etc. or when your hold is full of ore; for when research is complete.
It would be great to be able to add sound alerts to events - a tool to select the sound and add it to the event would be a fine addition but it should be client side, like your overview setting.
A neat object oriented tool to add sound alerts, but why get so complex?
The game is so broad, you don't want to open the floodgates cluttering the GUI. Simply have an elegant tool with conditionals that filter the events only setting off an alert when the match is found.
Yes, some more audio notifications in general would be nice. |

TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2012.06.05 09:58:00 -
[55] - Quote
Sink this crap idea. No alarm for AFK cloakers. |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
191
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Posted - 2012.06.05 11:20:00 -
[56] - Quote
TravelBuoy wrote:Sink this crap idea. No alarm for AFK cloakers.
You obviously didn't read the thread.
If you did read the thread, then your a drooling, uneducated, borderline-iliterate idiot.
As I should probably say something more constructive than this - Read the thread. It is quite clear that this will never help Afk cloakies. People have explained it enough already, nobody wants to do it again. Try using your brain before putting fingers to keyboard. |

TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:48:00 -
[57] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:TravelBuoy wrote:Sink this crap idea. No alarm for AFK cloakers. You obviously didn't read the thread. If you did read the thread, then your a drooling, uneducated, borderline-iliterate idiot. As I should probably say something more constructive than this - Read the thread. It is quite clear that this will never help Afk cloakies. People have explained it enough already, nobody wants to do it again. Try using your brain before putting fingers to keyboard.
You obviously a fcking AFK cloaker f.a.g. Sink this thread. No alarm for AFK cloaker noob, who can't check his screen. |

Ta-Dam
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.05 15:01:00 -
[58] - Quote
TravelBuoy wrote:Arduemont wrote:TravelBuoy wrote:Sink this crap idea. No alarm for AFK cloakers. You obviously didn't read the thread. If you did read the thread, then your a drooling, uneducated, borderline-iliterate idiot. As I should probably say something more constructive than this - Read the thread. It is quite clear that this will never help Afk cloakies. People have explained it enough already, nobody wants to do it again. Try using your brain before putting fingers to keyboard. You obviously a fcking AFK cloaker f.a.g. Sink this thread. No alarm for AFK cloaker noob, who can't check his screen.
Agreed. Stop AFK cloaker whines. |

Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
84
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:28:00 -
[59] - Quote
TravelBuoy wrote:No alarm for AFK cloaker noob
This wont help afk cloakers. If you can provide an arugment for why this might aid afk cloakers Im sure people might concede, but I dont think you can.
Shouting "Your a dog!" at a sheep all day will never make that sheep a dog. Just like saying this will help afk cloakies over and over will never make it so. Unless you have some kind of logical reason to think this, then your comment wasn't worth posting. |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
193
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:34:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ta-Dam wrote: Agreed. Stop AFK cloaker whines.
Nice alt post. |

Hun Jakuza
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2012.06.05 17:56:00 -
[61] - Quote
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:TravelBuoy wrote:No alarm for AFK cloaker noob This wont help afk cloakers. If you can provide an arugment for why this might aid afk cloakers Im sure people might concede, but I dont think you can. Shouting "Your a dog!" at a sheep all day will never make that sheep a dog. Just like saying this will help afk cloakies over and over will never make it so. Unless you have some kind of logical reason to think this, then your comment wasn't worth posting.
Everyone know that, some players why crying for a sound alarm when their ships decloaked. Some player use cloaker alt pilots at enemy systems, while they playing with their main characters in same time. This is why they want a loud warning sound when their ship is decloaked.
Not supported.
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Akatenshi Xi
Elite Shadow Society ESS Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:09:00 -
[62] - Quote
+1 to this. |

TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.06.06 06:46:00 -
[63] - Quote
Hun Jakuza wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote:TravelBuoy wrote:No alarm for AFK cloaker noob This wont help afk cloakers. If you can provide an arugment for why this might aid afk cloakers Im sure people might concede, but I dont think you can. Shouting "Your a dog!" at a sheep all day will never make that sheep a dog. Just like saying this will help afk cloakies over and over will never make it so. Unless you have some kind of logical reason to think this, then your comment wasn't worth posting. Everyone know that, some players why crying for a sound alarm when their ships decloaked. Some player use cloaker alt pilots at enemy systems, while they playing with their main characters in same time. This is why they want a loud warning sound when their ship is decloaked. Not supported.
THIS!!! |

Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
200
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Posted - 2012.06.06 11:15:00 -
[64] - Quote
Is not a valid arguement. Especially on a forum where we're supposed to be debating pros and cons. You and I, and your alts, are not going to get along.
Hun Jakuza wrote: Everyone know that, some players why crying for a sound alarm when their ships decloaked. Some player use cloaker alt pilots at enemy systems, while they playing with their main characters in same time. This is why they want a loud warning sound when their ship is decloaked.
Not supported.
Two reasons the above is rubbish.
1. If their alt is on a second screen sitting cloaked on a station, they are not afk. 2. If they can't see their alt whilst they are cloaked (ie, no second screen) on the station, they will die if they get uncloaked; alarm or not.
Bouy, see above. That is how you make a counter arguement. Please post something productive next time. |
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