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Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:03:00 - [1] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 15/09/2008 21:05:37 So we've got this all but useless ship. I'm thinking the new prophecy should be: 5% HAM ROF/lvl, 5% Resists/lvl 8x launcher slots. Slot layout stays. :) -Liang Ed: Maybe the bonus should be 5% HAM ROF and Damage/level with 8 launcher slots. --
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:20:00 - [2] Wow, 8 launcher hardpoints but the slot layout of 7/3/6 stays, impressive. Also, seriously? 7-8 ham launchers with RoF bonus? x_O I'd love it but it doesn't look anywhere near balanced (and almost strictly better than the drake). __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Sol Sigma	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:21:00 - [3] Just swap the Turret and Launcher fittings. Armor resists @ 5% per level HAM damage @ 5% per level
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:21:00 - [4] Originally by: Terianna Eri Wow, 8 launcher hardpoints but the slot layout of 7/3/6 stays, impressive. Also, seriously? 7-8 ham launchers with RoF bonus? x_O I'd love it but it doesn't look anywhere near balanced (and almost strictly better than the drake). Ok, ok... only 7 launcher slots. :P -Liang --
Sol Sigma	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:23:00 - [5] Oh ya Liang forgot to Khanidinize the ship looks wise. Black with a red streak on the side and a skull x-bones painted in white on the prow. yar!
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:33:00 - [6] Just for the curious, assuming that you could reasonably fit 7 HAMs, MWD, Web, Point, 3 ballistics and some semblence of a tank: A HAM Drake does (max) 615 DPS with Hob IIs. So then we see the Prophecy would top end at 657 DPS [(615-99)*(1.33-.25)+99]. All things considered, it's pretty reasonable considering the absurd tank the Drake puts out. -Liang --
James Danneau	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 15/09/2008 21:21:51 Edited by: Liang Nuren on 15/09/2008 21:05:37 So we've got this all but useless ship. I'm thinking the new prophecy should be: 5% HAM ROF/lvl, 5% Resists/lvl 7x launcher slots. Slot layout stays. :) -Liang Ed: Maybe the bonus should be 5% HAM ROF and Damage/level with 8 launcher slots. /Signed
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:44:00 - [8] Or apocify it: add 25% Capacitor Capacity and switch the laser cap use bonus to a optimal range bonus. At least then it'd have a purpose. Might also translate fine to the Carthum command ship. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:47:00 - [9] No. 10% cap reduc -> 5% laser damage Fix't! Do this to the Maller and the Punisher, and you get: Punisher -> Maller -> Prophecy -> Abaddon Win!
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.15 21:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus No. 10% cap reduc -> 5% laser damage Fix't! Do this to the Maller and the Punisher, and you get: Punisher -> Maller -> Prophecy -> Abaddon Win! I do believe that they'd all be plagued (like the Abaddon) by huge cap problems. Besides, Amarr really need a T1 HAM platform to ease the pain of getting into a Sac. -Liang --
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.15 22:20:00 - [11] Its cool as it is I think, I fly proph's a lot and like 'em as they are.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.15 22:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'm thinking the new prophecy should be: 5% HAM ROF/lvl, 5% Resists/lvl 7x launcher slots. 1) If my Drake can't have an ROF bonus, nor can your Prophecy. Go get an EM dmg bonus instead or something 2) Fix the Ferox too plx - Infectious -
Sofia Kyodai	Posted - 2008.09.15 22:58:00 - [13] Edited by: Sofia Kyodai on 15/09/2008 22:59:03 Originally by: Rawr Cristina 1) If my Drake can't have an ROF bonus, nor can your Prophecy. Go get an EM dmg bonus instead or something 2) Fix the Ferox too plx 1) Khanid ships got an equal damage bonus for missiles. So it'd prolly get a +5% damage to HAMs and the 5% armor resist bonus. 2) My Ferox is fine tyvm, dont want to have it changed!
Daqinson Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.09.15 23:28:00 - [14] They are fine the way they are ---------------- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected]. Sig locked please mail with a link to a sig that complies with the forum rules - Mitnal
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.09.15 23:29:00 - [15] want
Princess 02	Posted - 2008.09.16 00:49:00 - [16] My suggestion to improve ALL tier 1 battlecruisers: Maller (4 launchers, no turret) and prophecy (6 launchers, no turret)-> 5% HAM rof and 10% armor hp Also increase brutix drone bay by 15 increase cyclone speed by 30 m/s increase ferox targeting range by 15 km
Dribble's Courier	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:09:00 - [17] Edited by: Dribble''s Courier on 16/09/2008 01:10:13 perhaps have a turret / launcher option like the malediction? can fit either / or but keep the bonuses the same. Capless missiles allow the player to emphasise more on the tank of the ship but penalises them by not making use of the turret bonus (not that many ppl do) Tho then that would turn it into a t1 damnation rather than a t1 absolution? and by lore, ammar boats are lasers first, missiles later. so i guess the ship is screwed by lore(?) :c
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2008.09.16 02:44:00 - [18] Prophecy is fine.
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.16 04:27:00 - [19] yesssss..... and do it with the maller too ;)
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.16 04:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Liang Nuren I'm thinking the new prophecy should be: 5% HAM ROF/lvl, 5% Resists/lvl 7x launcher slots. 1) If my Drake can't have an ROF bonus, nor can your Prophecy. Go get an EM dmg bonus instead or something 2) Fix the Ferox too plx but drake can tank on passive regen, proph will just get slow and fat and take slightly longer to kill with plates
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Night-Stalkers	Posted - 2008.09.16 05:13:00 - [21] I think an optimal bonus would be nice... then i might have a point to fly it over the harb... maller and punisher could also use a similar bonus... or it could be to dmg, but then they start to encroach on the harb/omen... lets put it this way, sevaral T1 amarr ships need some work... dont get me started!
Nai Weil Caldari Tupperware Party	Posted - 2008.09.16 05:55:00 - [22] I like Prophecy as a laser platform the way it is. A few things I'd like to see which would give it a niche over the Harbinger, but yet remain the little brother:- 1) An extra low slot. The Proph can either add an extra hardener or plate to tank more, or add a heat sink to compensate for lack of gank. 2) More armour, on par with the Binger. If its niche is tank, it makes no sense that the paperthin Binger should have more actual armour. 3) A 50m¦ drone bay on par with the Binger would be nice, but not essential. It'll help the Proph take down bigger ships easier, but I'll probably still keep 5 hobbos anyway. 4) Maybe a bit more grid or CPU to make use of the extra low slot. Love the ship, hope to see improvements =)
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.09.16 06:46:00 - [23] 5% EM damage bonus instead of RoF and I'd give it a thumbs up. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Don Zektrade	Posted - 2008.09.16 07:17:00 - [24] +5% to EM HAM @ EM HM (yes HM!) damage +5% to resists 6x launcher (6/3/6) 50m3 dronebay (+25) (buff HM btw...)
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.09.16 10:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Liang Nuren I do believe that they'd all be plagued (like the Abaddon) by huge cap problems. Yes, they would be. But do you hear anyone complain about the Abaddon? They'd all make fantastic plated gank machines, juste like the Aba is. Originally by: Liang Nuren Besides, Amarr really need a T1 HAM platform to ease the pain of getting into a Sac. Not really. Khanid ships are Khanid. Leave the missiles to them. As for those saying the Proph is fine... lawl? Seriously?
Antoine Lefevre Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.09.16 11:00:00 - [26] Seriously, no one gives a shit about missiles.
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.16 11:04:00 - [27] According to newbies, all ships need fixing and more missiles ________________________________________
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.16 11:23:00 - [28] I would rarely fly any other ships if these changes happened *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2008.09.16 11:25:00 - [29] amarr does need a t1 missile ship (other than the inquisitor!) and the prophecy and possibly the maller is only ships where the laser cap use bonus can be switched to a missile dmg/rof bonus, i think they could be fun ships to fly, as currently i fly my propecy with triple 1600mm plates and small lasers... (does almost same dmg and a LOT more EHP) it won't be imbalanced as the drake can fit a tank with dmg mods while the proph has no chance of that :P -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.09.16 11:28:00 - [30] I say leave it the Hell alone. the Proph is a Fine Vessel and does not need any changes. - Logistics Frigates
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:07:00 - [31] God yes.
Flyit	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:21:00 - [32] The Prophecy is fine. A T2 Autocannon fitted Prophecy will beat a T2 fitted Brutix more often than not. Leave it.
hustle man	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:59:00 - [33] i love my proph to death even though many have told me to ditch it for a harbinger. IMHO i think it would be only fair to add 1 additional missile launcher only. everything else stays the same. i don't like the fact that it has only one launcher being the same as the omen and arbitraitor witch both have 1 launcher slot and they are only cruisers! since the proph is the next step up from cruiser, it should have a 2nd launcher option.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.09.16 14:04:00 - [34] I dont know all the amarr ships offhand, but didn't they only change t2 ships to khanid missile spewers?
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.09.16 14:52:00 - [35] I'd hate to see any Amarr T1 ship with missile bonuses tbh, just does not fit race-wise. What I'd like to see is: 10% optimal, 5% resist per lvl; 75 m3 drone bay, 50 m3 drone bandwith Should get a wee bit of grid and CPU too, probably(as should other tier-1 BCs except, maybe, Brutix tbh). Not much, around 50 more grid and 20 CPU. Also, gangmods fittings halved?
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.16 15:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Kaileen Starsong I'd hate to see any Amarr T1 ship with missile bonuses tbh, just does not fit race-wise. What I'd like to see is: 10% optimal, 5% resist per lvl; 75 m3 drone bay, 50 m3 drone bandwith Should get a wee bit of grid and CPU too, probably(as should other tier-1 BCs except, maybe, Brutix tbh). Not much, around 50 more grid and 20 CPU. Also, gangmods fittings halved? Though your idea isn't bad, it does mean that the Prophecy would steal the Ferox's role, just like the Apoc stole the Rokh's. How does 5% HAM ROF and 5% HAM EM damage sound instead? ;-) -Liang --
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.09.16 15:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Liang Nuren Though your idea isn't bad, it does mean that the Prophecy would steal the Ferox's role, just like the Apoc stole the Rokh's. How does 5% HAM ROF and 5% HAM EM damage sound instead? ;-) -Liang Originally by: Kaileen Starsong I'd hate to see any Amarr T1 ship with missile bonuses tbh, just does not fit race-wise. Going by your arguement, giving Proph HM/HAM bonuses would turn it into an armor-tanked drake(as opposed to an armor-tanked ferox(which is actually not THAT bad with blasters+gangmod)). It does go against natural Amarr ship-design philosophy, though :P Also, dual damage bonus on HAMs, especially if it's 6 or more launchers is a recipe for an overpowered ship(and while I don't really think Amarr are that overpowered atm, they don't really need to be best at everything ) Unless you're going to make a gimmick-bonus ship, you won't find much roles for Proph tbh. It's either semi-sniper / web-edge fighter with optimal bonus or some kind of drone boat; that way Proph stays true to Amarr doctrine btw. I'd like to see Proph having optimal bonus, larger drone-bay(say, flight of meds, flight of lights is nice, eh?) and ability to fit a decent setup with gangmod. That would make it viable, imo. Well, that's just my opinion anyways :P Feel free to disagree. Not to mention that changing tier-1 BCs is most likely not anywhere close enough in the CCP's "to-do" list
Tal Nok Amarr Digital assassins G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.16 15:40:00 - [38] Leave the Prophecy alone, amazingly enough, nothing is wrong with it. If you are having problems flying, fitting, pvping, try a different ship. You obviously don't know what your doing. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Night-Stalkers	Posted - 2008.09.16 15:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Kaileen Starsong Originally by: Liang Nuren Though your idea isn't bad, it does mean that the Prophecy would steal the Ferox's role, just like the Apoc stole the Rokh's. How does 5% HAM ROF and 5% HAM EM damage sound instead? ;-) -Liang Originally by: Kaileen Starsong I'd hate to see any Amarr T1 ship with missile bonuses tbh, just does not fit race-wise. Going by your arguement, giving Proph HM/HAM bonuses would turn it into an armor-tanked drake(as opposed to an armor-tanked ferox(which is actually not THAT bad with blasters+gangmod)). It does go against natural Amarr ship-design philosophy, though :P Also, dual damage bonus on HAMs, especially if it's 6 or more launchers is a recipe for an overpowered ship(and while I don't really think Amarr are that overpowered atm, they don't really need to be best at everything ) Unless you're going to make a gimmick-bonus ship, you won't find much roles for Proph tbh. It's either semi-sniper / web-edge fighter with optimal bonus or some kind of drone boat; that way Proph stays true to Amarr doctrine btw. I'd like to see Proph having optimal bonus, larger drone-bay(say, flight of meds, flight of lights is nice, eh?) and ability to fit a decent setup with gangmod. That would make it viable, imo. Well, that's just my opinion anyways :P Feel free to disagree. Not to mention that changing tier-1 BCs is most likely not anywhere close enough in the CCP's "to-do" list once again, optimal bonus would be awsome, especially if it translated over to the absolution... at the moment i still debate whether i should get on or not, since i love my beam zealot so much.... loss of that range would suck.
Nai Weil Caldari Tupperware Party	Posted - 2008.09.16 16:04:00 - [40] Edited by: Nai Weil on 16/09/2008 16:06:27 Given that the Harbinger only has 50m¦ drone bay and bandwidth, giving the Prophecy 75m¦ would be overkill. The main reason Prophecy looks and feels so bad is mainly because the Harbinger is so powerful. It a more than serviceable ship, although EFT-warriors and people who need every single edge they can get (mainly PvPers) will find no reason to fly it over the Harbinger. Having said that it would be nice if there was something in the Prophecy's favour other than a solitary launcher. If we look at the other three Tier-1 BCs, there's something to set them apart from the Tier-2s. Ferox and Brutix are hybrid platforms compared to the Drake's missiles, while Cyclone has a different ship layout from the Cane (iirc, it has more shields, and more midslots and dronebay). Although in general we accept that the Cane, Myrm and Drake are superior to the Cyclone, Brutix and Ferox, there are things the Tier-1s can do which the Tier-2s cannot. Proph is the only one which is an identical platform to the Harbinger, yet has lower shields, armour, structure, CPU, powergrid, dronebay, highslots, turret hardpoints and midslots (lowslots are identical, and it's amazing how many Prophecy bashers still believe that it only has 5 lowslots). I don't like the idea of a T1 Amarr BC spewing missiles like an armour-tanked Drake, even less if it's HAM only (the Proph's speed will make HAMs a real pain to use). I love it as a tanked-up version of the Harbinger with less gank, and I believe simply by boosting the armour and adding a lowslot will shut those Harbinger fanboys up who claim that the Binger can tank better simply because it can fit an extra plate. A larger dronebay would be wonderful, while an extra launcher hardpoint would be nice, but not very useful (unless they added an extra high slot and some extra CPU/powergrid as well, but that would make it a bit overpowered for a Tier-1 BC). Maybe give it more speed as well, something different to set it apart from the Harbinger, but not powerful enough to challenge the Harbinger as a superior choice for a BC laser platform.
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.09.16 16:34:00 - [41] I like the prophecy its quite a nice ship. Its tanking capabilities are awesome, while still maintaining ~300dps
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:03:00 - [42] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Liang Nuren As for those saying the Proph is fine... lawl? Seriously? It is very much fine. People fly em and don't usually give the Harbinger a look unless the darn thing gets popped by Pirates. Superior tank and missile hardpoint = win. I'm not being sarcastic either. Live with it. The prop is about as good as all the other Tier 1 BCs. Live with the fact that it sucks just a tad bit. --Isaac
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker It is very much fine. People fly em and don't usually give the Harbinger a look unless the darn thing gets popped by Pirates. Superior tank and missile hardpoint = win. I'm not being sarcastic either. Live with it. The prop is about as good as all the other Tier 1 BCs. Live with the fact that it sucks just a tad bit. --Isaac You messed your quoting up. I didn't say that. -Liang --
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:16:00 - [44] Edited by: arbalesttom on 16/09/2008 17:26:43 Edited by: arbalesttom on 16/09/2008 17:16:29 Originally by: Isaac Starstriker It is very much fine. People fly em and don't usually give the Harbinger a look unless the darn thing gets popped by Pirates. Superior tank and missile hardpoint = win. I'm not being sarcastic either. Live with it. The prop is about as good as all the other Tier 1 BCs. Live with the fact that it sucks just a tad bit. --Isaac Yeah your so right. I did say that. -Liang Ed. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:17:00 - [45] Originally by: arbalesttom Year your so right. I did say that. -Liang Ed. Diez! -Liang --
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:28:00 - [46] Edited by: arbalesttom on 16/09/2008 17:29:57 Edited by: arbalesttom on 16/09/2008 17:29:01 Originally by: arbalesttom Year your so right. I did say that. -Liang Ed. Hai guise chek mah new alt hes even smoarter than liang himselv! -Liang Sorry thats it mr Forumgod, no more playing around with ya And yeah i definately like your ideas on the proph since im training amarr cruiser 4-5 right now *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:38:00 - [47] Originally by: arbalesttom Sorry thats it mr Forumgod, no more playing around with ya And yeah i definately like your ideas on the proph since im training amarr cruiser 4-5 right now FOTM chaser! I just don't understand why everyone isn't as hyped about a 900 DPS missile spewing monster as I am... ;-) -Liang --
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:56:00 - [48] Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 16/09/2008 17:57:15 Originally by: Liang Nuren I just don't understand why everyone isn't as hyped about a 900 DPS missile spewing monster as I am... ;-) Duh, cos it's boring both to fly one(no challenge even against ships of classes above and/or everything runs away) and to see only those ships of certain ship class. Been there, seen that(i.e. prenerf Myrm, yay for 850+ DPS and ~450 DPS active tank) :P It's fun to pop FOTM-****s at first, but it gets rather dull very quickly ...And then comes Dev_A and it's "I SMITE THEE WITH THE POWER OF CELESTIAL NERFBAT!!!!111"... ...And then the forums asplode and there's nothing interesting other than woes for several weeks... That's why noone wants 900 DPS BC :P Oh, ya, CAPLESS!! TRACKING INDEPENDANT!!! WITH VARIABLE DAMAGE TYPES!!!111 PS. Sorry, could not resist :P
Jennae Gallente LiveTech	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:58:00 - [49] Edited by: Jennae on 16/09/2008 17:58:46 wah someone else has a missile boat and we don't. We want one too. no, wait. We want a better one. all the T1 battlecruisers are worse than the tier 2. and you want an amarr (mainly gun/armor)tier1 missile ship to be better than a tier 2 missile ship (from a missile specialized race)? cmon. I would like tier1 BC getting 1 more slot (either hi/mid/low) but i don't think it's gunna happen. Quit trying to fix everything with these ideas. Let them balance what they have first.
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.16 18:22:00 - [50] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker It is very much fine. [...] Live with the fact that it sucks just a tad bit. Compelling argument.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.09.16 18:24:00 - [51] Originally by: Isaac Starstriker It is very much fine. People fly em and don't usually give the Harbinger a look unless the darn thing gets popped by Pirates. Superior tank and missile hardpoint = win. Ugh... I used to fly the Proph before the Binger. Sure, resist bonuses are nice, but not at the cost of quite a bit of DPS, imo. Now, if my idea of making the Proph a mini-Abaddon went through, you'd have a much more useful ship overall. Originally by: Isaac Starstriker I'm not being sarcastic either. Live with it. The prop is about as good as all the other Tier 1 BCs. Live with the fact that it sucks just a tad bit. No, I'd prefer CCP fix all the Tier 1 instead.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.09.16 18:40:00 - [52] I said it once, and everybody ignored me, I'll just try again: When the Khanid boats got changed to missile spewers, they just did that to the t2 ships, right? Wouldnt it be a bit weird to have that t1 bc suddenly become a fat sacrilege?
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.16 18:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: arbalesttom Sorry thats it mr Forumgod, no more playing around with ya And yeah i definately like your ideas on the proph since im training amarr cruiser 4-5 right now FOTM chaser! I just don't understand why everyone isn't as hyped about a 900 DPS missile spewing monster as I am... ;-) -Liang Its too funny though, its actually the first time ever im doing a fotm chase, because i started on caldari up to a fully t2 fitted drake, gave up on them, started all from scratch on gallente and now i consider myself 'pretty maxed' on both armor, drones and rails. Actually, i dont have a clue what to train next, so thats why i figured i would train up some amarr stuff. And tbh, the ONLY thing i, for some reason, dont like about training for the khanid ships, is the fact i have to work more on my missile skills (wich is a lousy 1.8mill sp atm), but i guess thats the anti-caldari person in me. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.16 18:55:00 - [54] Edited by: Myra2007 on 16/09/2008 18:55:34 Originally by: P'uck When the Khanid boats got changed to missile spewers, they just did that to the t2 ships, right? Wouldnt it be a bit weird to have that t1 bc suddenly become a fat sacrilege? Huh? Like the brutix is a fat thorax/deimos, the ferox a fat moa/eagle like that? Yeah weird... What i find weird is that suddenly when it comes to t2 we're using a totally different weapons system. Would make much more sense to have some t1 ships to reflect this and maller/proph/punisher would be the perfect lineup to do this. You are right though that devs decided against it (probably to reduce workload not because its the best way to go) and thus its unlikely to ever see tq. On the other hand before the khanid buff people like you would probably show up and say "the devs made sac a laser platform, would be weird when a maller suddenly becomes a missile spewing abomination in its t2 variation". (edit: and it STILL happened just to state the obvious)
abrasive soap Trident Enterprises Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.09.16 20:42:00 - [55] Edited by: abrasive soap on 16/09/2008 20:44:48 Edited by: abrasive soap on 16/09/2008 20:44:25 6 launchers 7.5% HAM only rof/lvl 50 bw 50 dronebay or... 6 launchers 10% HAM only rof/lvl 25 bw and some random drone bay like the cane/drake's 30 or... 7 launchers 5% HAM only rof/lvl 25 bw and some random drone bay like the cane/drake's 30 or... 7 launchers 8% or so HAM only rof/lvl 0 bw 0 dronebay These all produce relatively the same damage at level 4 bc when compared to the drake even though they look overpowered on paper. The HAM only bonus sort of balances with the drake bonus because you are limited to HAMs only instead of a damage specific bonus on both HAMs and HMLs. The cpu and powergrid may need some tweaking in order to fit the HAMs and fit a 1600 plate (a HAM drake usually goes with 2 LSEs for buffer if I remember correctly which is roughly equivalent to a 1600 plate.) The cpu may need adjustment in order to fit BCUs. The slot layout is fairly good as of now so no need to change it. The 8 launchers and double bonus would be sort of overpowered unless the lows were reduced. It actually sounds like a good idea though because you have the brutix, a pure damage ship, so why not make the prophecy a high damage one time use ship as well? HAMs would be a nice change for the prophecy. The argument that the prophecy is balanced because the other tier 1 battlecruisers are broken is not really valid. The prophecy is pretty much overshadowed in all aspects by the harbinger which shouldn't be the case. Now we just need to get a thread for another tier 2 amarr battleship with torpedoes...
TYCONDEROGA Amarr EMPERIAL ARMOR	Posted - 2008.09.16 23:47:00 - [56] Originally by: Antoine Lefevre Seriously, no one gives a shit about missiles. Agreed He who defends Everything, Defends Nothing!
Coriander Rinne Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.09.17 00:50:00 - [57] Initial post: Hell no. Instead: Increase dronebay from 25 to 50. Bandwidth stays at 25.
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Night-Stalkers	Posted - 2008.09.17 03:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Coriander Rinne Initial post: Hell no. Instead: Increase dronebay from 25 to 50. Bandwidth stays at 25. this does nothing other than provide extra drones. optimal range bonus is what is reli needed... make it have less DPS, but more range an survivablity than the the harb, then it has a role. also, all the tier 1 BC's need some more armor/shield/grid/cpu/etc to make them at least worth flying over their massively better if somewhat different tier 2 counterparts.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.17 05:04:00 - [59] Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson also, all the tier 1 BC's need some more armor/shield/grid/cpu/etc to make them at least worth flying over their massively better if somewhat different tier 2 counterparts. massively better might be an overstatement, the one thing that is certain is that tier 1 is 30 or 40 % cheaper than tier 2 and in my opinion is similar ''bang for buck'' with the exception of the ferox which sucks at everything
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.17 05:29:00 - [60] Originally by: Gneeznow the one thing that is certain is that tier 1 is 30 or 40 % cheaper than tier 2 and in my opinion is similar ''bang for buck'' with the exception of the ferox which sucks at everything mhm, this pretty much. a 700 dps armour-tanking HAM spewing BC would not only make my Tier 2 BC obselete, but make the other Tier 1s look completely terrible in every way. If you get your Armour-tanking Drake, I want teh Ferox to be a Shield Tanking Harbinger or something - Infectious -
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2008.09.17 09:32:00 - [61] Originally by: Abrazzar Or apocify it: add 25% Capacitor Capacity and switch the laser cap use bonus to a optimal range bonus. At least then it'd have a purpose. Might also translate fine to the Carthum command ship. I concur, but it would definately need a grid boost if the intent is to then fit beams. Originally by: Deschenus Maximus No. 10% cap reduc -> 5% laser damage Fix't! Do this to the Maller and the Punisher, and you get: Punisher -> Maller -> Prophecy -> Abaddon Win! Fail. Laser cap bonuses are good while lasers still use tonnes of cap, k? Originally by: Liang Nuren I do believe that they'd all be plagued (like the Abaddon) by huge cap problems. Besides, Amarr really need a T1 HAM platform to ease the pain of getting into a Sac. -Liang Why does everything think this?! I'm sick enough of the Khanid ships using missiles, and I'd HATE to see any T1 Amarr laser boats switch to missiles. I love my prophecy, I don't want it ruined by missile fans trying to change the amarr weapon system over to missiles.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.09.17 11:24:00 - [62] Originally by: Erim Solfara Fail. Laser cap bonuses are good while lasers still use tonnes of cap, k? Fail. Abaddon has those exact bonuses and its ****ing awesome, k?
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Night-Stalkers	Posted - 2008.09.17 13:25:00 - [63] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson also, all the tier 1 BC's need some more armor/shield/grid/cpu/etc to make them at least worth flying over their massively better if somewhat different tier 2 counterparts. massively better might be an overstatement, the one thing that is certain is that tier 1 is 30 or 40 % cheaper than tier 2 and in my opinion is similar ''bang for buck'' with the exception of the ferox which sucks at everything i understand what your saying, but why have them other than for newish players that dont have enuff cash for a tier 2? that doesnt seem like a very good idea to me, as it largely a waste of a ship. even if we were to leave them at their relative power level, both the prophecy and ferox need a change. while the ferox could make a nice rail sniper, it needs a change in turret/launcher hardpoints methinks. the prophecy on the other hand, has no advantage/niche over the harbinger, other than the resist bonus, which it cant even reli use because it doesnt have the grid (or lows for that matter) to squeeze in more plates than the harb. it also has much lower DPS. i would very much like it to be a smaller apoc-style ship, this would at least give it a role as a longer range laser platform.

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