A Pyrrhic victory (/-êp+¬r+¬k/) is a victory with such a devastating cost to the victor that it carries the implication that another such victory will ultimately cause defeat.

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Goons actions are self destructive in the long run.

Thats about it really.

Can someone who speaks pseudo-intellectual-pubbie translate this for me?

Reality Check:
10,058 votes for Mittani. Let's assume they're all Goons.

59,109 votes were cast for the CSM.

Voter turnout was a measly 16.63%. Which means there were 59,109 /.1663 = 355,436 eligible voters.

10,058 / 355,436 = 2.8%

The Goons comprise at most 2.8% of the player base. Are you really saying that 2.8% of the accounts are dominating the 355,000+ accounts in Eve? If the Goons were really that bothersome, the Non-Goon portion of the player base would wipe them out.

source for numbers: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529

The goons will cast themselves upon their own sword, just as the Mittani and previous goon alliances of the past, indeed!

Make the end come sooner! Occupy VFK today

This.

Less than 3% of the whole subscriber base and they think that they run the whole game. The other 97% don't give a flaming **** what a measley 3% want.

yk

The Goons comprise at most 2.8% of the player base. Are you really saying that 2.8% of the accounts are dominating the 355,000+ accounts in Eve? If the Goons were really that bothersome, the Non-Goon portion of the player base would wipe them out.

There's just noone to vote for, simple as.

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tl;dr: here's another mittens/goons hatepost.
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"Har Har Har, we might be destroying EVE's reputation in the media, but we sure showed those goonies!!1"

So let me see (assuming everyone is paying a subscription in one form or another), your going to use 3% subscriptions to blackmail CCP or else by your "glorious delussions" they are going to lose 100% of them. And you expect them not to do anything about this to prevent the ambitions of those 3% in favour of the remaining 97%? Best of luck

The goons will cast themselves upon their own sword, just as the Mittani and previous goon alliances of the past, indeed!

Make the end come sooner! Occupy VFK today

Your tears, they fill me with joy

~Deal with it~

It is even doubtful that the combined powers of PL and the old guard of Raiden and Northern Coalition. could accomplish this task.

Reality Check:
10,058 votes for Mittani. Let's assume they're all Goons.

59,109 votes were cast for the CSM.

Voter turnout was a measly 16.63%. Which means there were 59,109 /.1663 = 355,436 eligible voters.

10,058 / 355,436 = 2.8%

The Goons comprise at most 2.8% of the player base. Are you really saying that 2.8% of the accounts are dominating the 355,000+ accounts in Eve? If the Goons were really that bothersome, the Non-Goon portion of the player base would wipe them out.

source for numbers: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529

PL and TRI could easily run gewnz out of space. They aren't doing it because there is no reason to grind all those structures just to put an end to a lot of goodfites.

A long time ago, there was a boy who had a father that beat him mercilessly. Every time the boy was beaten, his mother would care for him, nurture him, and comfort him. Years passed as this happened everyday; his father would beat him, and his mother would heal him. Eventually the boy grew into a man, and eventually his mother grew old and passed away. At the funeral, the boy stood over his mothers casket, yet, he could not shed a tear. No matter how hard he tried, he could not cry for the woman that cared for him after every beating. Years passed again, and eventually his father died. At his fathers funeral, the man looked down at his father, and broke down, sobbing.

+1 to whoever understands why I posted this in this thread.

Precisely the problem that I struck upon. There is no vote against the goons. There is no attack on the goons. The goons have long since become the ultimate power in EVE tempered only by the aging vanguard of PL and other super-capital entities that do not see eye to eye with their policy.

When fighting back in-game or by the CSM became impossible these players looked for any available opportunity to take the fight back to the goons. The opportunity presented itself with The Mittani's presentation and now we are seeing just how much everyone hates the goons, enough to ruin the game for everyone.

"Har Har Har, we might be destroying EVE's reputation in the media, but we sure showed those goonies!!1"

Why don't you write a blog about it.

Goons caring about EVE's reputation? Cultural victory right there.

With each subsequent effort by the goons to up the ante, to mock the response to The Mittani's comments, to continue their pointless crusade... they come one step closer to loosing completely.

A Pyrrhic victory (/-êp+¬r+¬k/) is a victory with such a devastating cost to the victor that it carries the implication that another such victory will ultimately cause defeat.

If goons are winning, why has there been so many changes to all you hold dear? Contracts changed making scamming alot tougher. Concord response time improve. Aww, no concord insurance any more? Wait, is that PvE content, and an expansion full of new player tutorial stuff? We need to do more for the rookies since replenishing our player base pays the bills. Is to bad instead of fleshing the game out we have to do this to help protect them from griefers before they quit eve prior to learning how to play it.

If eve is a pvp game, why do they keep having to cater to and do so much dev work for the new players instead of more endgame stuff? Oh, that is because the retention rate is so low because of the level of new player harassment. Hey, high sec piracy is part of eve. But CCP needs new players to keep eve. Do some of you guys ever think about that before you act and then whine not enough vet content/sov/pos work is done? Either that or is your actual goal to see eve servers shut down, I mean seriously, eve is a business, they need money. It isn't a charity for socially repressed gamers.

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It's spelled LOSING.

"Durpa Durpa, I can user words and not spell goodz, but I think Mittani is a extra speshul bad goon. I must create alt to post with because my total lack of male/female parts makes me try to make up for my lack of being relevant."



Does that help?

I will seriously consider it.

Thanks m88

Quite a mis-reading of what goon "hold dear," i'm afraid.

Goonswarm and The Mittani in particular have long championed the cause of the new player. Their in-house recruitment is likely responsible for some of the highest newbie retention around. Bear in mind that they have every reason to support this over iteration on things like sov because in doing so they cement their status as the highest order of power in the game. Not only do they dominate the sov game, but they also vet the incoming newbies in a way that no other groups can.

The extrapolation of the current situation in EVE is not that the servers shut down, it's that goonswarm continues to be one of the only places where new players can thrive and the rest of the game continues to stagnate and churn under it's collective weight.

In point of fact this is what we are beginning to see. But EVE does not make the elimination of goonswarm a possibility without serious metagaming. The upheaval against the Mittani is not simply a response to some suicidal man being pushed by bullies from somethingawful.com. This uprising is the community at-large, or at least those not aligned with the goons, doing all they can to strike back at the entity which has positioned itself firmly atop the heap.

EVE is a game of power blocks. It is a game of trust. Goons have the largest contiguous block of semi-trustworthy players as their backbone. Any entity seeking to physically remove their from their space would be met with the largest armada ever seen in the game. Any voting block attempting to usurp their candidate would be trying to corral the interests of a huge number of disparate voting communities, almost none of whom trust one another at all.

Ultimately, the only card that the anti-goons have to play is to strike at the heart of the swam. They have to undermine the very thing that keeps goonswarm logging in from day to day and that is their ability to thrive on the pain and suffering of other players. When the forums are up in arms about unseating The Mittani, banning him, or regulating the grief tactics utilized by goonswam they are doing the only thing they can to fight back against the goons.

As I alluded to in the OP, the commoners really had no official recourse for sadistic and greedy nobles in the middle ages. The violent uprisings prior to the enlightenment could have been avoided, but for the hubris of these characters. It is patently obvious that we are seeing the very same thing happening right now. The majority know that their cause is hopeless and they are doing only that which they are able to do to strike at the interests of their oppressor.

The CCD is upon us.

Fixed that for you....

Us goons've self destructed about four or five times now and then we rebuild and then we self destruct again. It's a natural cycle characterized by massive, hilarious thefts on the part of the CEO, and we've all come to love and respect it. Quit thinking there'll be a gotterdammerung for us because frankly waiting for the next failure to pay the bills is half the fun.

Brings up an interesting point, would goons be a powerhouse if eve was more mainstream and had a larger playerbase? Would the demographic change result in them being outclassed as a powerblock?

To the best of my knowledge there is no other corporation, alliance, guild, club, or anything similar which can boast a larger membership count than goons do in EVE. Anyone attempting to engineer a powerblock larger than the CFC, which draws on more than just SA already, would need to tap a base of players larger than what most mmo severs can handle at prime time.

I can't imagine that happening, but if goons actually had a substantial nemesis in the game which could match their numbers I believe it would be great for the game.

Hence, the Anti-Swarm. Why not make some good PR while taking down the evil empire? The victory would be even more enjoyable than the war, as you would have hundreds of corps and alliances suddenly turning on one another, filling the power vacuum. Once the Goons are defeated, that is. One goal, many paths.

You all know you are here to play the game how you want right? You know everyone has the ability to do so? Thats the great thing about Eve Online, you do what you want. So stop worrying about what GSF are doing and go play the game your way.

This.

Less than 3% of the whole subscriber base and they think that they run the whole game. The other 97% don't give a flaming **** what a measley 3% want.

yk

I don't feel worried and I agree with your assessment of the sandbox being great because it allows for a plethora of gameplay. All I am offering here is a dispassionate accounting of what I view as the pushback against increasing goonswarm influence and staying power on EVE.

I don't feel worried and I agree with your assessment of the sandbox being great because it allows for a plethora of gameplay. All I am offering here is a dispassionate accounting of what I view as the pushback against increasing goonswarm influence and staying power on EVE.

My apologies.Roudhaouse was a good film, though not as good as POINT BREAK!

Ahh thats ok then. For a minute I thought you were trying to say that GSF shouldnt be allowed to play how they want to. You guys know what you have to do, make a more powerful force and stop them. It would be pretty easy really, since there are so many people in hisec, you would out blob any power bloc in the. If you got organised. If you had the willpower. IF.

If not, then sit tight, make more isk, complain more about how a small minority of players, a tiny (by comparison to the Eve population) number of people are commanding the game. You wont win using apathy.

Can someone who speaks pseudo-intellectual-pubbie translate this for me?

My apologies.Roudhaouse was a good film, though not as good as POINT BREAK!

For starters, the Goons have a very particular skillset and modus operandi. They play to grief, to sow the seeds of chaos and destruction. They entertain themselves by "ruining your game." The problem; however, is that the longer they do this the more they need to extend themselves to feel the game bend beneath their weight. When small tests of the in-game rules no longer draw an endorphin rush, they move on to bigger and better schemes. Ultimately, they have no choice but to attack the broadest parts of the game economy and do things like pick on potentially suicidal players. It is their impetus.

Old money sock puppets and goon shitposters flaming across a dozen different boards neither group can claim to represent any significant amount of the player base.

Can someone who speaks pseudo-intellectual-pubbie translate this for me?

Can someone who speaks pseudo-intellectual-pubbie translate this for me?

Reality Check:
10,058 votes for Mittani. Let's assume they're all Goons.

59,109 votes were cast for the CSM.

Voter turnout was a measly 16.63%. Which means there were 59,109 /.1663 = 355,436 eligible voters.

10,058 / 355,436 = 2.8%

The Goons comprise at most 2.8% of the player base. Are you really saying that 2.8% of the accounts are dominating the 355,000+ accounts in Eve? If the Goons were really that bothersome, the Non-Goon portion of the player base would wipe them out.

source for numbers: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529

This is propaganda.

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Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Frankly, the only backlash I'm thinking we need is some backlash against Hollywood. Why didn't they make Roadhouse 2?

I say - salute to Goons.
This was their biggest win ever. Well played.

And thumbs down to CCP.

Goons actions are self destructive in the long run.

Thats about it really.

Can someone who speaks pseudo-intellectual-pubbie translate this for me?