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kieron
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Posted - 2004.06.16 15:07:00 -
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There was a hot fix today to resolve some issues from yesterday's patch. There are some known issues with some weapons, nodes, displays, etc. However, there is a major issue with directly trading with players and it is advised that players do not directly trade with one another.
More information can be found on the EVE Insider News page.
I apologize for the issues and any inconvenience this patch has created.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.06.16 15:51:00 -
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You're making a lot of apologies lately, kieron 
Any word on what is missing from todays patch made during downtime?
It seems standings are still all messed up (auto-scanner and Show Info) and I think a lot of us would like an explanation, from both Devs and those players who managed to get onto the Test Server regularly, about how and why large turrets can be so badly broken.
Was the Chaos version of tracking etc correct but it got broken when porting it over to the TQ patch or were people just not testing/not able to test sufficiently?
Perhaps a review of the testing process is in order.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Harcole
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Posted - 2004.06.16 15:59:00 -
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would be nice to hear about how things are different from TQ to what was on Chaos... I've not been to Chaos in a while and recently when I have tried to get to Chaos I've been unable due to it being full.
A nice list of what was done with the patch today would be great...
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RobW1
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Posted - 2004.06.16 16:15:00 -
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When are we going to see the missing market items, like BPO's for Cruise Launcher etc? And the missing skills?
Yesterday they were promised today?
Today ... ?
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.06.16 16:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Joshua Calvert
You're making a lot of apologies lately, kieron
Any word on what is missing from todays patch made during downtime?
It seems standings are still all messed up (auto-scanner and Show Info) and I think a lot of us would like an explanation, from both Devs and those players who managed to get onto the Test Server regularly, about how and why large turrets can be so badly broken.
Was the Chaos version of tracking etc correct but it got broken when porting it over to the TQ patch or were people just not testing/not able to test sufficiently?
Perhaps a review of the testing process is in order.
i dont see how u can miss a thing this big, it could be because they reduced the chaos max lvl to 5, and no idle kick, means 5 idlers live there all day long and no one could test it 
Carebear|Me
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Onubis
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Posted - 2004.06.16 17:35:00 -
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kieron, Oveur any dev Can you please give us a eta on the main bugs, new missile laucnhers, standing bug, undocking & getting a blackscreen bug? PLEASE
Its really disrupting gameplay. 
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"It is better to die on our feet than live on our knees"
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Papolytic
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Posted - 2004.06.16 17:45:00 -
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--- Chaos (last 30 days or so) vs. "Chaos patch" on TQ (last 2 days) ----
This can't be totally accurate because I was, at best, able to get on Chaos & test no more than 30-60 minutes each day or 2, but I did that for the last few weeks. My observations are PvE & PvP. I engaged in about 50% of each and I'm by no means a good PvP player. I was flying tempests, typhoons, ruptures, thoraxi & rifters.
PvP: Suffice it to say it works better (much better) on Chaos than it does on the patched TQ. There were anomolies which I bug-reported, like my being able to circle an apoc at it's optimum in a typhoon and it scoring absolutely no hits (indefinitely), but it clearly worked better than its working on TQ.
PvE: Plenty of NPC BS's around pf-346 area and outwards, so I took tempests, typhoons & ruptures out to try them out. I was able to hit NPC cruisers, frigates & bs's with a tempest fitted with 6 1400's & 2 cruise launcher 1's without much problem aside from huge locking times on the frigs. (30+ seconds). BS's were much easier to lock and hit.
Criminal flagging: This is brutal. The tiniest mistake and you're dead, both on chaos and on tq. A missile goes astray, hits someone's large container and you're dead (not in 0.0 of course), but on TQ in a .5 system, I managed to lose a few ships due to this. It seems like overkill. The 15 minutes timer works on it, but if this is a silver lining, save me :)
Conclusions as of this point: The patch on TQ is *not* the correctly applied patch on Chaos or else I better stop talking. Regardless of that, the help chat & forums would still be full of complaints even if Chaos transferred perfectly because its huge changes, especially for BS, large guns, & Flagging.
Someone up here in the thread wanted to hear from someone that'd been testing chaos, and I may be a poor example but I couldn't get online anymore often than I did, and I filed some bug reports about how I felt and even about a few bugs lol..
Papolytic.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.06.16 21:24:00 -
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Kieron for most of time i hate my job, but i wouldnt exchange with you for anything atm 
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Ankh
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Posted - 2004.06.16 22:16:00 -
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I think we all understand this is a very complex game, almost everything you change must have a knock-on effect on loads of other stuff too. The bugs that have occurred this time are many and have a profound impact on gameplay, much more than usual. Surely this is a sign that more intensive testing must be undertaken in future.
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Thomdril Merrilin
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Posted - 2004.06.16 22:25:00 -
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I kinda see the idea behind frig/cruiser/BS balancing with turrets and missile changes.
BUT.
I cant hit Frigs at all EVER with medium/large guns.
I can hardly hit Cruisers with any guns on my BS.
I can hit other BS but do 25% of the damage since the patch that I did before. Also I land only 50% of shots if I'm not moving and its alot worse if we're both moving.
EVE was great, awesome corp, lots of fun, done some sick PVP and now they have screwed the game.
CCP, this patch has killed the game.
Subscription cancelled on BOTH accounts.
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Von Lichtensteinn
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Posted - 2004.06.16 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Papolytic
Conclusions as of this point: The patch on TQ is *not* the correctly applied patch on Chaos or else I better stop talking. Regardless of that, the help chat & forums would still be full of complaints even if Chaos transferred perfectly because its huge changes, especially for BS, large guns, & Flagging.
Someone up here in the thread wanted to hear from someone that'd been testing chaos, and I may be a poor example but I couldn't get online anymore often than I did, and I filed some bug reports about how I felt and even about a few bugs lol..
Papolytic.[/quote
lol i hope you right or theese battles are going to take ages.
Anyway yeah they messed a patch ooh well i do not care i luv the game.
So what i gonna do now is start a long skill and don`t pay for the next mounth and after a mounth ill come back and see if any changes are made.
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Von Lichtensteinn
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Posted - 2004.06.16 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Thomdril Merrilin
I kinda see the idea behind frig/cruiser/BS balancing with turrets and missile changes.
BUT.
I cant hit Frigs at all EVER with medium/large guns.
I can hardly hit Cruisers with any guns on my BS.
I can hit other BS but do 25% of the damage since the patch that I did before. Also I land only 50% of shots if I'm not moving and its alot worse if we're both moving.
EVE was great, awesome corp, lots of fun, done some sick PVP and now they have screwed the game.
CCP, this patch has killed the game.
Subscription cancelled on BOTH accounts.
And for you just start a long skill don`t pay for the next mounth and then check on them again 
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.06.16 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 16/06/2004 22:54:28
You hiring QA people?
This question is not sarcastic. (I'm serious. Just graduated from Bsc. (Hons) Computer and Video games and stuff).
Okay, MILDLY sarcastic :P
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Acix
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Posted - 2004.06.16 23:19:00 -
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Is there any other change that has not been DOCUMENTED like the concord response for shooting cargo cans???????????????????????????????????????
I have lost one ship to this and a second one because the agression timer never stopped last night.
Also Could we get an clear explaination of the rules behind this. Since I lost my first ship to shooting a cargo can from a destroyed NPC and not a player owned cargo can???????????????????????
Would be nice because I am very TICKED OFF right now due to the reply from your BS customer service about this............ |
Neamus
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Posted - 2004.06.16 23:29:00 -
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Why did you choose to nerf the NPC pirates so much? I went out hunting this evening expecting to find the bounty's reduced but the quantity still there. When I arrived I found that there were very few rats and all had poor bounty's. Its gone from being really good to mind bendingly poor. I think that you have gone over the top with this.. |
Papolytic
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Posted - 2004.06.16 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Von Lichtensteinn
lol i hope you right or theese battles are going to take ages.
Anyway yeah they messed a patch ooh well i do not care i luv the game.
So what i gonna do now is start a long skill and don`t pay for the next mounth and after a mounth ill come back and see if any changes are made.
Von Lichtensteinn,
I hope I'm right too, but I didn't mention that I wasn't able to log on for the final RC's on chaos so I'm not more than ~80% sure about what I said.
I think you've got the right idea. The timing for this patch was fine for me because I'm headed out for a vacation for a couple of weeks (time to train bs 5 I suppose lol), and will check on how things are going when I return,
G/L
Papol
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2004.06.17 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 17/06/2004 00:05:38
Let us review:
Grade for deployment of latest patch(es):
2 of 10 possible, 10 being perfect, 0 being the worst possible scenario.
You did manage to identify a lot of things that needed fixing, but failed to fix a lot of the really annoying ones.
You gave it a good try at trying to balance PvP and PvE but managed to forget one very important thing... the drones are still bugged.
You gave us a schedule and stuck to it, but two unscheduled reboots yesterday and another this evening have pretty much demonstrated that you have no clue why things arent working and no ability to fix it within reasonable time.
You did fix the gang invite bug (THANK YOUUUUU! FINALLY), but you broke just about everything else in the process.
From a playability standpoint the game has gone from "okey" to "what, huh, what?, arrgghhh!"
The ONLY remotely redeemable points are the fix to the gang invite and the fact that the servers havent blown up... yet.
Again 2 out of 10
How are you rating the lastest patch?
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"I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender |
Xelios
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Posted - 2004.06.17 00:04:00 -
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Thanks for fixing the forum lag guys, that was some annoying **** =P
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AZON
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Posted - 2004.06.17 00:18:00 -
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I am wondering just how many peeps need to cancel their subscription before the game is made right again i am canceling all 3 of my accounts (with a long training skill of course)hehe.
TBH this has been the most fun i have had for the last year, until now. All my bs reduced to mere carebears??? i think not!!! Join the crusade...show them we are serious....cancel your subscription today!!!
AZON-ARCANE TECHNOLOGIES-FIX THE DAMN GUNS NOW!!!
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Expert Newbie
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Posted - 2004.06.17 00:25:00 -
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For Azon:
1. Skills don't train if your account's suspended.
2. Nobody's going to join your crusade, have fun being alone.
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AZON
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Posted - 2004.06.17 00:41:00 -
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Expert Newbie-
1. That kinda blows that the skills dont continue to train, but oh well.
2. As for the crusade many have cancelled and many more are doing so even as we banter.
3. If you have been playing for as long as some of us then you surely realize the level of pistivity that this catastrophic failure in planning has caused. CCP has assumed that we (and a lot of you will) will just roll over and take it. "Assumption is the mother of all F--k ups"
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.06.17 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: AZON
CCP has assumed that we (and a lot of you will) will just roll over and take it.
I would beg to differ with you, Azon. Nothing is introduced into the game with the thought, "Let's upset the player base" let alone, "Let's drive the players away". Changes are made to make the game more enjoyable. I have yet to see a change made to any game that satisfies 100% of the player base.
As for the experience in this last patch, everyone at CCP is fully aware that there were problems and they will be fixed. Some mistakes were made and they will be learned from. Those lessons will be applied to the next patch and hopefully, the next patch will have a much smoother installation.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Ky Vatta
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Posted - 2004.06.17 01:43:00 -
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It would be nice to know when things will be fixed...what I find MOST ANNOYING, is that there is no way to submit bug reports....
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Stomper
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Posted - 2004.06.17 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ky Vatta
It would be nice to know when things will be fixed...what I find MOST ANNOYING, is that there is no way to submit bug reports....
Bug report
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Von Lichtensteinn
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Posted - 2004.06.17 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Von Lichtensteinn on 17/06/2004 02:25:28
Edited by: Von Lichtensteinn on 17/06/2004 02:18:07
Originally by: Expert Newbie
For Azon:
1. Skills don't train if your account's suspended.
2. Nobody's going to join your crusade, have fun being alone.
To bad i have to say your wrong my skill finisched when i was away for 2 mounths and account was expired
Maybee it was a bug who knows but it did maxout
Btw This is an alt putting up my real character would result in screaming angry fomer targets
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.06.17 02:48:00 -
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Why do people cancel right after a ruff patch? Have people not noticed it's basicly been like this every patch? The patch isn't really ready, alot of things get buggered up and it gets fixed in the next few following days.
Take a break, go outside, read a book, come back in a few days if it's still no good wait a little longer or cancel then, hell I know I would give CCP upto a month to fix it before cancelling.
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Von Lichtensteinn
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Posted - 2004.06.17 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Soren
Why do people cancel right after a ruff patch? Have people not noticed it's basicly been like this every patch? The patch isn't really ready, alot of things get buggered up and it gets fixed in the next few following days.
Take a break, go outside, read a book, come back in a few days if it's still no good wait a little longer or cancel then, hell I know I would give CCP upto a month to fix it before cancelling.
Not quiting just taking a break for a mounth
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Kaito'Li
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Posted - 2004.06.17 04:35:00 -
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I can't beleive some of you guys.
Quit EvE please, you are just spouting rubbish, rubbish that you would not be spouting had you actually tried to adjust your stance during combat.
OF COURSE you score less hits with your large turrets. I bet all these hit were made way below your optimum range. This is what the new tracking changes were implimented for.
REASON: your turrent cannot track it quickly enough.
SOLUTION: either fit lower range ammo or gain range.
Anything below 10K of your optimum range will probably evade all your shots fired. Just find a way round this please. It is more logical to have Battleship weapons behave this way, and I personally have had very little problem adjusting to the changes. I do, in fact beleive this is one of the best patches released in terms of weapon behaviour.
But by all means quit. I cant stand the whines and moans that I hear after every patch, only for you guys to quit, and come back, quit and come back. If you think CCP are shafting you, stop paying for the privelledge for good and get the hell outta the game for good.
Confucius he say, "Bugger this, I'm off for a beer" |
Sajuuk Cor
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Posted - 2004.06.17 05:04:00 -
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Kaito.. I for one, am an experienced battleship pilot.
My guns barely hit at any damn range..regardless of ammo, modules..etc.
With the current status of tracking I now have to fit small,medium and large guns..as well as several different drone types. It's gotten a bit silly.
We, as paying customers have every right to feel upset about the patches.. after a year..this shouldn't even be an issue anymore. I'm not cancelling my account..I like the game...but i'm certainly tired of the never ending patch disasters.
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Dark Jester
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Posted - 2004.06.17 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sajuuk Cor
Kaito.. I for one, am an experienced battleship pilot.
My guns barely hit at any damn range..regardless of ammo, modules..etc.
I dont know what you're doing with them, but I dont have any problem hitting npc frigates and cruisers at 40k with my 1400mm
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2004.07.08 14:50:50combatYour 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Rogue Pirate Escort, wrecking for 836.2 damage.
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