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Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:45:00 - [1] If we aspire to fly a new ship it will come with a lot of unanswered questions. If we have good basic skills there is no reason why we should not grasp the nettle of learning a new ship that takes us into unchartered territory. This often means flying a ship which we are not familiar with & consequently a new set of modules to bring out the best in that ship. The majority of people in the forum are really helpful but we have to suffer a handful of patronising know it alls who will put anybody down by ramming there superior skills down your throat. It has reached a point where a lot of people are fearful of asking a question because of the expected backlash. What is the point of having a forum where you are frightened to ask a question because of a handful of people who are discourteous & ruin the experience for everbody. We were all new at some point-I know I am & everybody has the right to ask questions, learn & progress & not expect the forum experience to be nasty. I thank all of you who have been helpful & those you have been unhelpful-remember you yourselves had questions when you started with Eve-I just hope you got answers more inline with what decent helpful should give.
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:45:00 - [2] If we aspire to fly a new ship it will come with a lot of unanswered questions. If we have good basic skills there is no reason why we should not grasp the nettle of learning a new ship that takes us into unchartered territory. This often means flying a ship which we are not familiar with & consequently a new set of modules to bring out the best in that ship. The majority of people in the forum are really helpful but we have to suffer a handful of patronising know it alls who will put anybody down by ramming there superior skills down your throat. It has reached a point where a lot of people are fearful of asking a question because of the expected backlash. What is the point of having a forum where you are frightened to ask a question because of a handful of people who are discourteous & ruin the experience for everbody. We were all new at some point-I know I am & everybody has the right to ask questions, learn & progress & not expect the forum experience to be nasty. I thank all of you who have been helpful & those you have been unhelpful-remember you yourselves had questions when you started with Eve-I just hope you got answers more inline with what decent helpful should give.
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:49:00 - [3] Read posts with brain in filter-mode: between all the flames there's usually some good info being given. Matter of fact: even flames can contain good info in itself, sometimes. Soak up the useful stuff, disregard the blabbering, all set.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:49:00 - [4] Feel free to ask a question and you will usually get good answers. But, beware. If you whine about mechanics or have a bad attitude, you will be trolled to hell and back. Working as designed imo. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:49:00 - [5] Read posts with brain in filter-mode: between all the flames there's usually some good info being given. Matter of fact: even flames can contain good info in itself, sometimes. Soak up the useful stuff, disregard the blabbering, all set.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:49:00 - [6] Feel free to ask a question and you will usually get good answers. But, beware. If you whine about mechanics or have a bad attitude, you will be trolled to hell and back. Working as designed imo. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Vaal Erit Feel free to ask a question and you will usually get good answers. But, beware. If you whine about mechanics or have a bad attitude, you will be trolled to hell and back. Working as designed imo. What is apparent is that people can genuinely ask a noob question-because they really dont know & get flamed to hell and even worse they get told they should not be flying this or that ship because they don't know. That is well-just cr*p.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/09/2008 10:52:18 The forum's idiot filter is, like many things in EVE, player-driven. Decent questions won't run afoul of it though, except for that standard amount of trolling you can expect on any forum. Also, do people really get flamed that badly in New Citizens? - DesuSigs
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Vaal Erit Feel free to ask a question and you will usually get good answers. But, beware. If you whine about mechanics or have a bad attitude, you will be trolled to hell and back. Working as designed imo. What is apparent is that people can genuinely ask a noob question-because they really dont know & get flamed to hell and even worse they get told they should not be flying this or that ship because they don't know. That is well-just cr*p.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.17 10:52:00 - [10] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/09/2008 10:52:18 The forum's idiot filter is, like many things in EVE, player-driven. Decent questions won't run afoul of it though, except for that standard amount of trolling you can expect on any forum. Also, do people really get flamed that badly in New Citizens? - DesuSigs
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.17 11:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Pteranodon That is well-just cr*p. I have to agree, it IS crap. It's also nothing new around here, and it pains me to say that. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Childeric III	Posted - 2008.09.17 11:23:00 - [12] /Sign OP
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.09.17 11:39:00 - [13] Some folks are purebred idiots and will flame literally anything. Ignore them is all you can do. As for the rest, let's take the OP's example of requesting ship fittings and info: A player posts "I CAN HAZ DRAKE SETUP PLX". He hasn't searched for other threads on here or scrapheap, battleclinic etc. He hasn't considered a possible fit and asked for advice to improve it. He hasn't stated what he wants the ship for, or how he intends to use it. So, he gets flamed for his laziness and unwillingless to do any of the thinking himself. This is a complex game, and if you don't enjoy the complexity then it probably isn't your thing anyway. I'm not here to make excuses for some of the behaviour on here, but also I think a lot of people need to engage their brain before clicking 'new thread'. --
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.09.17 11:43:00 - [14] I'll assume this is the thread you're reacting to: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=871363 And your response was less than cordial even if the question wasn't warranted (which is debateable). Originally by: Pteranodon Originally by: Grarr Dexx How do you not know this as a cerb pilot? ......because I'm not perfect like you and secondly I'm looking for any other options beside targetting scripts.....is that okay for you....your Royal Highness.....****. I agree with your OP. People could stand to climb down from Mt Superior. But I think you aren't exactly guilt-free as well. Eye - splinter - 2 by 4 - etc. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.17 11:50:00 - [15] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/09/2008 11:50:26 Oho, someone posts an unhelpful yet non-flamey and justified response, and our glorious OP breaks out the ad hominem and goes into full emo mode right off the bat. Proof, if any was needed, that the forum is 'working as intended' so to speak. Thread delivers. - DesuSigs
Lubomir Penev	Posted - 2008.09.17 11:53:00 - [16] Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 17/09/2008 12:00:22 Originally by: Pteranodon The majority of people in the forum are really helpful but we have to suffer a handful of patronising know it alls who will put anybody down by ramming there superior skills down your throat. And in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=737712&page=1#10 we have this gem (be sure to red the whole thread to see how nice Pteranodon is on the forums...) Originally by: Pteranodon A shield tanked domi- don't make me laugh. The domi is an armor tank- I just hope you accidently typed in the wrong description! LOL What about looking in a mirror? You often manage to be both patronizing and stupid in the same post. -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
Jana Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Lubomir Penev What about looking in a mirror? You often manage to be both patronizing and stupid in the same post. /thread 9 out of 10 blueprints prefer New Eden Research!
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:03:00 - [18] needs that update they spoke about. Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 17/09/2008 12:00:22 Originally by: Pteranodon The majority of people in the forum are really helpful but we have to suffer a handful of patronising know it alls who will put anybody down by ramming there superior skills down your throat. And in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=737712&page=1#10 we have this gem (be sure to red the whole thread to see how nice Pteranodon is on the forums...) Originally by: Pteranodon A shield tanked domi- don't make me laugh. The domi is an armor tank- I just hope you accidently typed in the wrong description! LOL What about looking in a mirror? You often manage to be both patronizing and stupid in the same post. You really are obnoxious-you started trading the insults by calling me a moron. Your exactly the sort of person this post is aimed at. What you sow you shall reap. The Dominix is not best suited as a Shield tank that is all I was saying-I mean I don't exactly see shield tanked Domi's listed in the top 10 Eve fits. Yes it is possible to shield tank a Domi but it is not the most popular fit & before you start trolling my skill set with the Domi I have BS5, DI5 & tec2 tank.
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:24:00 - [20] Originally by: Roy Batty68 I'll assume this is the thread you're reacting to: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=871363 And your response was less than cordial even if the question wasn't warranted (which is debateable). Originally by: Pteranodon Originally by: Grarr Dexx How do you not know this as a cerb pilot? ......because I'm not perfect like you and secondly I'm looking for any other options beside targetting scripts.....is that okay for you....your Royal Highness.....****. I agree with your OP. People could stand to climb down from Mt Superior. But I think you aren't exactly guilt-free as well. Eye - splinter - 2 by 4 - etc. I only mostly react to other OP's crass comments. I am generally courteous & as for the Domi it came as a genuine surprise that people would want to shield tank-nothing wrong in that. It might even have been possible that the original poster had been given the wrong info-at least I put a lol on the end of the comment. Some people have no personality-they are just extremely sensitive & take every remark as a direct assault on themselves.
Lubomir Penev	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Pteranodon Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Pteranodon A shield tanked domi- don't make me laugh. The domi is an armor tank- I just hope you accidently typed in the wrong description! LOL What about looking in a mirror? You often manage to be both patronizing and stupid in the same post. You really are obnoxious-you started trading the insults by calling me a moron. What I just quoted was before I ever answered a post of you, it was you answering a post by Mangus Thermophile that is one of the fastest mission runners in the game. And yes that post of yours prompted me to call you what you are. And the topic of shield tanked domis have been beaten to death in that other thread. -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Pteranodon Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Pteranodon A shield tanked domi- don't make me laugh. The domi is an armor tank- I just hope you accidently typed in the wrong description! LOL What about looking in a mirror? You often manage to be both patronizing and stupid in the same post. You really are obnoxious-you started trading the insults by calling me a moron. What I just quoted was before I ever answered a post of you, it was you answering a post by Mangus Thermophile that is one of the fastest mission runners in the game. And yes that post of yours prompted me to call you what you are. And the topic of shield tanked domis have been beaten to death in that other thread. It has nothing to do with beating a topic to death or being the worlds' fastest Eve mission runner. It has all to do with you firing the first insulting shot & instead of shrugging it off & perhaps asking a question to establish the depth of my knowledge on the subject you immediately decided that I'm a moron. I know the Dominix very well-all my support skills in engineering, battleships & drones is a considerable part of my skill points & to be honest I'm newish to Eve so a shield tanked Domi seemed odd. There is nothing wrong with that & the comment was tongue in cheek with a LOL so I don't see why your so very upset. Let's forget & both lighten up a bit-Eve & life is too short to bicker about nothing. Fly safe.
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/09/2008 11:50:26 Oho, someone posts an unhelpful yet non-flamey and justified response, and our glorious OP breaks out the ad hominem and goes into full emo mode right off the bat. Proof, if any was needed, that the forum is 'working as intended' so to speak. Thread delivers. He knows nothing of my skills so what gives the justification for the comment. If he had said .....now I've looked at your skills & I see that you only have HAC1 & 3K SP im missiles so I dont think you should be flying a Cerb.... that would be better than sticking a useless comment on the forum. I like constructive comments that mean something-they add value-this OP's post was just worthless.
Lubomir Penev	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:42:00 - [24] Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 17/09/2008 12:43:41 Originally by: Pteranodon It has nothing to do with beating a topic to death or being the worlds' fastest Eve mission runner. It has to do with you whining about patronizing posts while being guilty of them too. Don't get me wrong, I can be patronizing, insulting and even worst wrong, and I thoroughly enjoy being the first two especially when it makes thin skinned people like you squeal. It's second only to popping people in space. On the other hand I have the decency not to whine about people being patronizing, something you are very often yourself. -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:44:00 - [25] So, are you a noob or a vet? You seem to swap between the two when it suits you. One moment you're a fearsome kronos pilot with level V in this and that, dispensing instructive criticism. The next you transform into a poor helpless soul who doesn't know what a sensor booster is. Originally by: Pteranodon the comment was tongue in cheek You can say it was, but it wasn't. You were attempting to ridicule Magnus, but instead you showed your ignorance (and lacked the grace to admit it). You really need to take a look at how you interact with other people. --
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Aioa So, are you a noob or a vet? You seem to swap between the two when it suits you. One moment you're a fearsome kronos pilot with level V in this and that, dispensing instructive criticism. The next you transform into a poor helpless soul who doesn't know what a sensor booster is. Originally by: Pteranodon the comment was tongue in cheek You can say it was, but it wasn't. You were attempting to ridicule Magnus, but instead you showed your ignorance (and lacked the grace to admit it). You really need to take a look at how you interact with other people. Lets be clear on something. There are 2 characters involved. One flys a Kronos & Domi-this character is new & flys missile boats. I have never said that I'm uber at anything & frankly have never bragged about my skills. I also have no graces to adhere to. I genuinely did not know that a shield tanked Domi was desireable or not. All my characters were trained by me & my first corp had its head stuck so far up its backside it did not recognise the merits in helping new people progress. It tended to ridicule in similar ways to some members of this forum. Do not suggest that my skills are fictious- they can be easily verified if need be but I don't think I have anything to prove. As a fierce warrior-don't make me laugh as I've never killed anything in PVP-once again another example of speaking without knowing the facts.
Lubomir Penev	Posted - 2008.09.17 12:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Aioa So, are you a noob or a vet? You seem to swap between the two when it suits you. One moment you're a fearsome kronos pilot with level V in this and that, dispensing instructive criticism. The next you transform into a poor helpless soul who doesn't know what a sensor booster is. My unprofessional diagnostic is dissociative identity disorder Originally by: Wikipedia The presence of two or more distinct identities or personality states, each with its own relatively enduring pattern of perceiving, relating to, and thinking about the environment and self. At least two of these identities or personality states recurrently take control of the person's behavior. That's just him -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.17 13:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Aioa So, are you a noob or a vet? You seem to swap between the two when it suits you. One moment you're a fearsome kronos pilot with level V in this and that, dispensing instructive criticism. The next you transform into a poor helpless soul who doesn't know what a sensor booster is. My unprofessional diagnostic is dissociative identity disorder Originally by: Wikipedia The presence of two or more distinct identities or personality states, each with its own relatively enduring pattern of perceiving, relating to, and thinking about the environment and self. At least two of these identities or personality states recurrently take control of the person's behavior. That's just him I have a diagnosis for you......not repeatable on a public forum.
Flash Bombardo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.17 13:13:00 - [29] Can I have your stuff ? "I have not problem with prostitute, but the kiddy dools is to much for me" - Orcan
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.17 13:14:00 - [30] Between those two linked threads it can be demonstrated that the OP is exactly the kind of poster this thread is about. Thread is made of significant irony and win. - DesuSigs
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.09.17 13:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Pteranodon Do not suggest that my skills are fictious You missed my point by a country mile. When I say 'noob', I'm not talking about what's in your skillsheet --
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.09.17 14:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Pteranodon Some people have no personality-they are just extremely sensitive & take every remark as a direct assault on themselves. Beware the irony monster... Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Black Tahee1	Posted - 2008.09.17 14:22:00 - [33] NEEDS TO BE UPDATED SOON!
MailDeadDrop Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.09.17 18:07:00 - [34] Originally by: Pteranodon I have a diagnosis for you......not repeatable on a public forum. Technically I believe that's a therapy and not a diagnosis... MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching
Sweet Rosella 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.09.17 18:17:00 - [35] Pot calls kettle black, rings a bell
Havohej Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.17 19:03:00 - [36] I love what this thread turned into. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
memphistopheles interimo	Posted - 2008.09.17 19:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Pteranodon If we aspire to fly a new ship it will come with a lot of unanswered questions. If we have good basic skills there is no reason why we should not grasp the nettle of learning a new ship that takes us into unchartered territory. This often means flying a ship which we are not familiar with & consequently a new set of modules to bring out the best in that ship. The majority of people in the forum are really helpful but we have to suffer a handful of patronising know it alls who will put anybody down by ramming there superior skills down your throat. It has reached a point where a lot of people are fearful of asking a question because of the expected backlash. What is the point of having a forum where you are frightened to ask a question because of a handful of people who are discourteous & ruin the experience for everbody. We were all new at some point-I know I am & everybody has the right to ask questions, learn & progress & not expect the forum experience to be nasty. I thank all of you who have been helpful & those you have been unhelpful-remember you yourselves had questions when you started with Eve-I just hope you got answers more inline with what decent helpful should give. i, too, am gay
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.17 20:57:00 - [38] Edited by: Jimer Lins on 17/09/2008 20:59:03 Edit: Nvm, responded to a post early in the thread before realizing it had turned into a total sewer. Which, in a way, kind of proves the OP's point. Even if he is apparently a hypocrite.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2008.09.17 21:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Pteranodon A shield tanked domi- don't make me laugh. The domi is an armor tank- I just hope you accidently typed in the wrong description! LOL What about looking in a mirror? You often manage to be both patronizing and stupid in the same post. I can't believe he posted that... Where's Pottsey when you need him to lay the smack down? I wish the thread weren't locked.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2008.09.17 21:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Pteranodon You really are obnoxious-you started trading the insults by calling me a moron. Your exactly the sort of person this post is aimed at. What you sow you shall reap. The Dominix is not best suited as a Shield tank that is all I was saying-I mean I don't exactly see shield tanked Domi's listed in the top 10 Eve fits. Yes it is possible to shield tank a Domi but it is not the most popular fit & before you start trolling my skill set with the Domi I have BS5, DI5 & tec2 tank. And there is your lack of understanding. The dominix is capable of mounting one of the best shield tanks, active or passive. Only the Vulture (debatable), Golem, Scorpion and Drake have an easy time out-tanking it. The reason most people fit armour tanks is because they need their mid-slots for other things or need capacitor to fuel their remote reps. Or, perhaps some people are as ignorant as you are. You claim you want to learn and want friendly people to impart knowledge in a friendly manner, and then shove your ignorance down their throat like a jumped-up ingrate.
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides	Posted - 2008.09.17 21:56:00 - [41] Edited by: Thea Arsoniztik on 17/09/2008 21:57:21 Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/09/2008 11:50:26 Oho, someone posts an unhelpful yet non-flamey and justified response, and our glorious OP breaks out the ad hominem and goes into full emo mode right off the bat. Proof, if any was needed, that the forum is 'working as intended' so to speak. Thread delivers. ...and on that note, if you want to go emo, there are other games out there more suitable for you...like The Sims. Install it, build a house with pretty sesame street wallpaper, burn it down because you don't know how to use a stove, and cry about it. /wrists
Cogswin Iannyen Caldari Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.09.24 13:15:00 - [42] This thread made my morning. Thanks Pterandon/Taharqua10.

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.09.24 13:25:00 - [43] Thread is not constructive. Content has simply deteriorated into players biting at each other. Locked Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email / Netfang


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