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Mr mOnKeYbAlZ
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:44:00 -
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My m8 has had his account banned... thus he is in need of a little comunity advice.
He bought a 2003 toon with real money some 18 months ago. The guy he bought it from gave him the login details etc. said he didnt have the money for transfer and didnt want the account anymore anyway. So, just to be sure my m8 paid the transfer fee and moved the toon onto one of his own accounts.
As the account with the toon on he bought was now empty he transfered one of his alts to the empty account and used it as an alt account, not thinking much of the situation until now.
He recieved a mail from CCP this morning says something like "account has been reported lost and banned, what do you know of this?"
Ok so the obvious worries are that is he going to loose the account in question and even more worryingly, is he going to loose the character he paid for and transfered over to another account?
What legal claim do you have to an account once its bought and transfered?
Has anybody ever been through a character transfer before that has been disputed 18 months later?
Any advice would be of help,
Thank you
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:46:00 -
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i would get your "mate" to send in a petition mate, ccp are the only ones who are gonne be able to help you
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Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:46:00 -
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The problem here is that the account transfered ownership, which is a bannable EULA violation. Your friend can forget that account and any characters on it.
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Angor
BURN EDEN
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Jana Clant
The problem here is that the account transfered ownership, which is a bannable EULA violation. Your friend can forget that account and any characters on it.
But what about characters that have been transfered from the account, legally... but using the buyers credit card details.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:49:00 -
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Paying for characters with real money is a violation of the EULA. Sharing account details is a violation of the EULA. Banning of offending accounts/players is a result of a EULA breach.
You could attempt a legal charge against the person selling you the character for knowingly taking money for something you are bound to loose but CCP is immune to any legal action over this.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:49:00 -
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Notable bit from the EULA:
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ACCOUNT TRANSFER / CHARACTER TRANSFER
You are not permitted to transfer your account to another person. If you wish to discontinue your account please refer to section 6. of this EULA. You may transfer a character from your account to another account, either belonging to you or another person. This transfer option is available from the EVE Online Account Management web site https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp and is subject to fees and the following limitations: You may not offer to transfer characters except your own, or act as a "broker" or intermediary (for compensation or otherwise) for anyone wishing to transfer or obtain characters. The transferee will obtain all rights to your character in a single transaction, and you will retain absolutely no control or rights over the characters, items or attributes of that character. You may not transfer any characters whose attributes are, in whole or in part, developed, or which own items, objects or currency obtained or acquired, in violation of the EULA.
Any character transfers or attempted transfers not in accordance with the foregoing terms is prohibited and void, and shall not be binding on CCP. A transfer or attempted transfer of a character is entirely at the risk of the parties to such transaction. CCP is not liable to any person (whether transferor, transferee or otherwise) for any acts, omissions, statements, representations, defaults or liabilities of the parties in connection with such a transaction.
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Ricier
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:49:00 -
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Bying Chars\accounts for RL money is a bannable offence.
So no wonder he got banened
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:50:00 -
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Well, your "mate" is probably screwed if he paid the guy with real-money. That is not allowed according to the EULA.
However, if he paid the transaction fee for the character (easily verifiable) and have in-game mail conversations or EVE-o forum conversation threads detailing the sale, he should provide them to CCP to prove his claim on the character.
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Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Angor
Originally by: Jana Clant
The problem here is that the account transfered ownership, which is a bannable EULA violation. Your friend can forget that account and any characters on it.
But what about characters that have been transfered from the account, legally... but using the buyers credit card details.
Doesn't matter. You can't sell an account legally, so that means the original owner retains ownership to any character you put on the account. Since he couldn't log back in because you changed the password and e-mail address, he reported it as lost and it got banned.
Bottom line, NEVER use someone else's account, at any time they might decide they want it back and there's nothing you can do about it.
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fuze
Gallente
Chosen Path
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:07:00 -
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He should suck it up and start with a new toon. |
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Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:08:00 -
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Your "mate" ?
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Mr mOnKeYbAlZ
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:10:00 -
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I love the way ppl put "mate" in inverted commas lol. If it was my account i would just say so... but anyway thanks for the advice.
I dont suppose anybody has actually been through this situation? I know ppl keep quoting eulab but hundreds or probably thousands of toons have been transfered with rl currency so this thing must happen alot, no?
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:12:00 -
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What your friend should have done, was gain access to the account(Not allowed, but hey..) transfered the char to a new/existing account of his, then let the account he got from his friend expire.
The char would be on your friends account then, so no worries.
Then if CCP asks your friend just states that the char was given to him, and he paid the transfer fee.
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:22:00 -
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He has no legal claim whatsoever,
Its common practice for people to sell accounts for Cash then report the account stolen and then have it returned to them.
Its like this in nearly all mmos, Its not allowed to be sold so therefor the buyer has no rights.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:25:00 -
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1) Don't do bannable things.
2) ???
3) Avoid being banned.
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Mr mOnKeYbAlZ
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cors
What your friend should have done, was gain access to the account(Not allowed, but hey..) transfered the char to a new/existing account of his, then let the account he got from his friend expire.
The char would be on your friends account then, so no worries.
Then if CCP asks your friend just states that the char was given to him, and he paid the transfer fee.
Yeah he has done that, but he transfered an alt toon probably only a few mil sp onto the empty account and never thought anything of it... now that character is like 20-25mil sp or something and has been banned.
I think he can accept the loss of the 20-25mil toon (as hard as that would be) but i think he is mainly worried about loosing the account he transfered over to HIS account.
For example:
*guy who sold toon says to ccp "my accounts been stolen" or whatever.
*ccp bans the account, does investigation.
*my m8 says nothing of the toon transfered
*ccp release account to original owner including non original character
*guy who sold toon says to ccp "my toon has gone"
*ccp again investigates and sees transfer of toon to new account and bans new account containing original bought character.
If the toon has been transfered over legally using CCP's transfer system BUT using my m8's credit card details. Could CCP take the character transfered?
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Berious
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:31:00 -
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Basically your mate is screwed and wasted his money. I'd expect the otherwise legit account to get ganked also.
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CCP Navigator
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:54:00 -
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Discussing this issue on the forums is not at all productive. Discussions regarding bans, character transfers and the EULA should be held in private between the player in question and our Customer Support Team.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:54:00 -
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you were sort of stupid for buying a game item with rl money, but thats just my take
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:55:00 -
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you were sort of stupid for buying a game item with rl money, but thats just my take
also, in after the lock
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:57:00 -
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Selling accounts for RL money in MMOGs, short tutorial:
1. A sells account to B for money, B plays the account.
2. A wants his account back and petitions that his account was stolen.
3. B loses the account and petitions that his account was stolen.
If it's not bannable:
4. It's word against word, A and B fight, company has no proof either way. A and B go to court, company gets dragged in too, they lose time and money.
If it's bannable:
4. A and B lose all their accounts, no fighting, no time lost, bye.
The goal of every company dealing with a large amount of users is to minimize support time.
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