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corestwo
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:04:00 -
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Concord neither spawns nor warps instantly, so if you're quick you can suicide gank a target, warp out, hit another target, warp out, hit another target, and in theory you can do this for as long as you want. That's what they seem to be doing, at least if their kill/loss to concord ratios are any indicator. |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:28:00 -
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Darling Sheep wrote:Wasn't evading concord considered an exploit?
Only if you never die. So long as your ship dies eventually, you're clear
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:corestwo wrote:
Concord neither spawns nor warps instantly, so if you're quick you can suicide gank a target, warp out, hit another target, warp out, hit another target, and in theory you can do this for as long as you want. That's what they seem to be doing, at least if their kill/loss to concord ratios are any indicator.
Dude is obviously finding exploits as he is getting Pods too in a SOLO Catalyst AFTER the Hulk goes. Makes no sense.
Not necessarily. Concord is pretty slow in 0.5, it's entirely possible to blow away an untanked miner, get the pod, and escape
Regarding the matter at hand, isn't it curious how buys struggle to stay above 570 or so...? Almost as though something is suppressing them... |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:00:00 -
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When you've got a neutron gank thorax on you, a hardener or two or a small shield extender hardly qualifies as a tank. |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:32:00 -
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That's the problem with secrets. People just can't stand to keep them. |
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:24:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:Patri Andari wrote:yawn
If only there were something I could buy ad nauseum from NPC markets that supplied this mineral.
Nocxium has a cap you mullets.
educate us, please
Figure it out yourself. |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:48:00 -
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Irisa Selenia wrote:Tornado's don't need nocxium, your argument is invalid.
This is so not relevant it's not even funny. |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:23:00 -
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I can't remember if you've explained your numbers elsewhere or not. Care to? |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.04.01 15:48:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:corestwo wrote:I can't remember if you've explained your numbers elsewhere or not. Care to? Mine approach it from the point of view that if certain ores get too pricey, the miners will flock to them driving up supply and driving down prices. Assuming that a solo hulk can pull in 90-95k m3 of ore per hour, and that once a solo hulk's income gets above 20-25M ISK/hr in hi-sec, the market reacts. Because it's not hard to dual or triple-box solo hulks and start pulling in 60-70M ISK/hr when hi-sec ore gets above 200 ISK/m3. (Keeping in mind that hi-sec orca can boost yields by 40-65% per hour if a small fleet is setup. I used to run 3 hulks + orca and figured that I was topping out at around 350-360k m3/hr of raw ore.) For null sec, a solo hulk that pulls in 50-60M ISK/hr starts to look very attractive (more so once you toss Rorqual boosts into the mix) - which is around 600 ISK/m3. So once again, I'm not sure that ores can get above 600 ISK/m3 and stay there for very long before the market balances back out. I really don't expect hi-sec ores to stay above 150 ISK/m3 past mid-June / mid-July. Maybe they will if CCP keeps the botters at bay.
So, here is why I think you are wrong.
Lowsec is a player desert. There are very, very few people there, basically because the risk:reward is crap given hisec incursions, hisec missions, and all that other stuff. To make the risk worthwhile, the reward has to rise, and frankly, at your prices, it just isn't.
With your top-end case, lowsec ores are pretty much identical to highsec ores. Maybe a little better, but not enough to get people to venture out. They're in the 24-25m/hr range for Hedbergite and Hemorphite, 20-21m for Jaspet, assuming a hulk with average skills & T1 strip miners.
Now on the other hand, if we keep your prices the same but inflate Nocxium in a way that is out of proportion for your model, interesting things happen. At 1500/unit, say, suddenly hedbergite is worth about 35m/hr, hemorphite 38m/hr, and jaspet 33m/hr. Additionally, Dark Ochre gets up to about 35m/hr, so people in 0.0 might actually notice it, and crokite actually passes Arkonor and Bistot, exceeding 45m/hr, guaranteeing that it gets mined first.
At 1700/unit the nocx-bearing lowsec ores actually approach 0.0 ores.
So that's my bet. I'd put nocx at 1200/unit on the low end, with 1700/unit as my top end call. |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.04.01 16:50:00 -
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cuoredipietra famedoro wrote:corestwo wrote:
So that's my bet. I'd put nocx at 1200/unit on the low end, with 1700/unit as my top end call.
Interesting... however you should keep in mind there is a lot of speculation and volatility. It is not impossible that the price goes above your price braket to fall back in when the speculation subsides. Also interesting to not that actually nox is @750isk/u in Jita, and was somewhere 600isk/u a week ago. Nice jump in price, but not that dramatic.
More like 800/unit now.
Keep in mind that my call there is a longer term call and is dependent on them removing drone alloys come the 24th. Speculation and volatility may well take it to or beyond my prediction before then, but I wouldn't count on it staying until after drone nerfs. |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:24:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:It should be noted that low sec ores are the best supply of nocx - which is also where the least amount of mining is done. It might be interesting if nocx prices rise enough to make low sec mining lucrative enough to offset the risk.
This is part of the reason for my argument for 1200-1700/unit. Get up in that range and (provided my math is correct) a max skills max yield hulk with bonuses can get 60m/hr or more mining jaspet, hemorphite or hedbergite. That might just be enough to get some people to come out of their safe little highsec shell.
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corestwo
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:55:00 -
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Lowsec is beneath us. |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.04.06 18:02:00 -
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Posted - 2012.04.16 04:05:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:corestwo wrote:Concord neither spawns nor warps instantly, so if you're quick you can suicide gank a target, warp out, hit another target, warp out, hit another target, and in theory you can do this for as long as you want. That's what they seem to be doing, at least if their kill/loss to concord ratios are any indicator. Definitely an exploit according to CCP definition.
Yes thank you for confirming that this is an exploit two weeks after I posted it and a week after CCP themselves defined it as such. Your timeliness is appreciated. |
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