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Odet
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.19 16:03:00 -
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Show some class when posting.
> Somebody throws an accusation at you, let it slide, don't insult or accuse right back.
> If a fellow CSM has a different stance on something don't bicker with them on the forums, do it privately away from the public eye. You're a team, act like one.
> Your personal stances should stay off the forums, be more diplomatic and neutral in discussion. Showing pros and cons to an idea, instead of clearly siding.
As far as I'm concerned the whole CSM idea was a bad idea in the first place.
Atleast try and make the best of your existence and act accordingly.
You're embarassing yourselves and the community.
^ The above wall of text is my opinion, take it or don't it's there. ^
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Odet
Show some class when posting.
> Somebody throws an accusation at you, let it slide, don't insult or accuse right back.
> If a fellow CSM has a different stance on something don't bicker with them on the forums, do it privately away from the public eye. You're a team, act like one.
> Your personal stances should stay off the forums, be more diplomatic and neutral in discussion. Showing pros and cons to an idea, instead of clearly siding.
As far as I'm concerned the whole CSM idea was a bad idea in the first place.
Atleast try and make the best of your existence and act accordingly.
You're embarassing yourselves and the community.
^ The above wall of text is my opinion, take it or don't it's there. ^
Thank you for expressing "The Community"'s opinion.
Originally by: Iroku Mata
Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
Show some class when posting.
> Somebody throws an accusation at you, let it slide, don't insult or accuse right back.
> If a fellow CSM has a different stance on something don't bicker with them on the forums, do it privately away from the public eye. You're a team, act like one.
> Your personal stances should stay off the forums, be more diplomatic and neutral in discussion. Showing pros and cons to an idea, instead of clearly siding.
As far as I'm concerned the whole CSM idea was a bad idea in the first place.
Atleast try and make the best of your existence and act accordingly.
You're embarassing yourselves and the community.
^ The above wall of text is my opinion, take it or don't it's there. ^
For what its worth I don't think the CSM "idea" was bad. But the reality is we did get people elected who loathe one other and cannot remain civil let alone cooperate - and given Eve's political climate its hardly surprising that happens since the game is built around grudges and vendettas and dark brutality.
Whatever happens in the future the reality is some of those people will keep getting re-elected due to alliance voting blocks, so yes, its a problem and I'm honestly not sure how you deal with it. You can certainly make sure YOU pick candidates you believe are capable of turning the other cheek - but you can't stop other players electing their own choice of knife-wielding drama-merchants if it pleases them.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 19/09/2008 17:33:09
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Odet
Show some class when posting.
> Somebody throws an accusation at you, let it slide, don't insult or accuse right back.
> If a fellow CSM has a different stance on something don't bicker with them on the forums, do it privately away from the public eye. You're a team, act like one.
> Your personal stances should stay off the forums, be more diplomatic and neutral in discussion. Showing pros and cons to an idea, instead of clearly siding.
As far as I'm concerned the whole CSM idea was a bad idea in the first place.
Atleast try and make the best of your existence and act accordingly.
You're embarassing yourselves and the community.
^ The above wall of text is my opinion, take it or don't it's there. ^
For what its worth I don't think the CSM "idea" was bad. But the reality is we did get people elected who loathe one other and cannot remain civil let alone cooperate - and given Eve's political climate its hardly surprising that happens since the game is built around grudges and vendettas and dark brutality.
Whatever happens in the future the reality is some of those people will keep getting re-elected due to alliance voting blocks, so yes, its a problem and I'm honestly not sure how you deal with it. You can certainly make sure YOU pick candidates you believe are capable of turning the other cheek - but you can't stop other players electing their own choice of knife-wielding drama-merchants if it pleases them.
*Posts on every forum he's not banned from about what nasty people the rest of the council are and invents conspiracies*
*Laments the lack of civility expressed by others*
Your hypocrisy knows no limits.
Originally by: Iroku Mata
Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Odet
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Originally by: Odet
Show some class when posting.
> Somebody throws an accusation at you, let it slide, don't insult or accuse right back.
> If a fellow CSM has a different stance on something don't bicker with them on the forums, do it privately away from the public eye. You're a team, act like one.
> Your personal stances should stay off the forums, be more diplomatic and neutral in discussion. Showing pros and cons to an idea, instead of clearly siding.
As far as I'm concerned the whole CSM idea was a bad idea in the first place.
Atleast try and make the best of your existence and act accordingly.
You're embarassing yourselves and the community.
^ The above wall of text is my opinion, take it or don't it's there. ^
Thank you for expressing "The Community"'s opinion.
Exhibit A
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Odet
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 19/09/2008 17:33:09
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Odet
Show some class when posting.
> Somebody throws an accusation at you, let it slide, don't insult or accuse right back.
> If a fellow CSM has a different stance on something don't bicker with them on the forums, do it privately away from the public eye. You're a team, act like one.
> Your personal stances should stay off the forums, be more diplomatic and neutral in discussion. Showing pros and cons to an idea, instead of clearly siding.
As far as I'm concerned the whole CSM idea was a bad idea in the first place.
Atleast try and make the best of your existence and act accordingly.
You're embarassing yourselves and the community.
^ The above wall of text is my opinion, take it or don't it's there. ^
For what its worth I don't think the CSM "idea" was bad. But the reality is we did get people elected who loathe one other and cannot remain civil let alone cooperate - and given Eve's political climate its hardly surprising that happens since the game is built around grudges and vendettas and dark brutality.
Whatever happens in the future the reality is some of those people will keep getting re-elected due to alliance voting blocks, so yes, its a problem and I'm honestly not sure how you deal with it. You can certainly make sure YOU pick candidates you believe are capable of turning the other cheek - but you can't stop other players electing their own choice of knife-wielding drama-merchants if it pleases them.
*Posts on every forum he's not banned from about what nasty people the rest of the council are and invents conspiracies*
*Laments the lack of civility expressed by others*
Your hypocrisy knows no limits.
Exhibit B
_______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______
This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/09/2008 17:42:57
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Your hypocrisy knows no limits.
Well, I was pretty straightforward about describing the kind of delegate I expected the Goons to put forward during the election campaign. I think you've illustrated my point there perfectly as well. Well done, you are quite the paragon of your society when all is said and done.
As a quick note Darius - hypocrisy means saying one thing and doing (or believing) another. I've been very very open about my lack of respect for you and your capabilities. And I've been similarly honest about my inability to work with somebody of your kind. I can't turn the other cheek to your constant flaming and childish behaviour and if that makes me a bad CSM then so be it - nobody pays us for this "job" and to be frank I don't think anybody could pay me enough to sit in a room/channel/hallway with you once this CSM term is over.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
*Posts on every forum he's not banned from about what nasty people the rest of the council are and invents conspiracies*
*Laments the lack of civility expressed by others*
Your hypocrisy knows no limits.
Exhibit B
Get used to it.
Originally by: Iroku Mata
Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Odet
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Odet on 19/09/2008 17:47:14
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Odet
Show some class when posting.
> Somebody throws an accusation at you, let it slide, don't insult or accuse right back.
> If a fellow CSM has a different stance on something don't bicker with them on the forums, do it privately away from the public eye. You're a team, act like one.
> Your personal stances should stay off the forums, be more diplomatic and neutral in discussion. Showing pros and cons to an idea, instead of clearly siding.
As far as I'm concerned the whole CSM idea was a bad idea in the first place.
Atleast try and make the best of your existence and act accordingly.
You're embarassing yourselves and the community.
^ The above wall of text is my opinion, take it or don't it's there. ^
For what its worth I don't think the CSM "idea" was bad. But the reality is we did get people elected who loathe one other and cannot remain civil let alone cooperate - and given Eve's political climate its hardly surprising that happens since the game is built around grudges and vendettas and dark brutality.
imo
If you are unable to remain civil with ALL the other CSM's, then I don't see you fit to be a CSM.
Grudges or not, you are public representative, in a position of respect. You should show respect, class and diplomacy, regardless of how stupid or irrational an idea or person is being. Regardless of in game politics and pasts.
As expected, you can see in exhibit A and Exhibit B.
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Odet
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:49:00 -
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Anyways i'll get back to this thread after, I take care of a few things, I'm at work so my responses will be delayed.
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This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.09.19 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
If you are unable to remain civil with ALL the other CSM's, then I don't see you fit to be a CSM.
Grudges or not, you are public representative, in a position of respect. You should show respect, class and diplomacy, regardless of how stupid or irrational an idea or person is being. Regardless of in game politics and pasts.
As expected, you can see in exhibit A and Exhibit B.
I think you cite a very idealistic proposition there. And if people truly did vote only for people they expected to be able to remain calm and respectful at all times then the CSM might be interesting - but you do have the problem that however YOU vote, you are always going to get a couple of alliance block candidates in the mix who cannot help themselves but be unpleasant and get stuck into the other delegates.
Still, its been an interesting process - I've learned of myself that I'm not cut out for politics because I simply can't stand certain people and can't really hide my disgust for short-sighted partisan issue-blocking against the interests of the game at large.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.09.19 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I think you cite a very idealistic proposition there. And if people truly did vote only for people they expected to be able to remain calm and respectful at all times then the CSM might be interesting - but you do have the problem that however YOU vote, you are always going to get a couple of alliance block candidates in the mix who cannot help themselves but be unpleasant and get stuck into the other delegates.
Still, its been an interesting process - I've learned of myself that I'm not cut out for politics because I simply can't stand certain people and can't really hide my disgust for short-sighted partisan issue-blocking against the interests of the game at large.
You could have simply stated that you have no self control and you'd have been fine. Once you remove yourself from the equation things have been pretty darn smooth. I'll point out for you again, since you seem to ignore it, that your issues failed because they sucked. There was no "partisan" conspiracy. There's 3 people who live in 0.0 on the entire council of 9. We couldn't as 3 people pass or block anything.
You're self-righteously lamenting problems created by yourself which is in and of itself pretty hilarious. One of many examples of this can be found on this very forum not 5 threads down where you attack Lavista for asking a question. If you think anyone's buying your feigned "above it all" act you're out of your mind.
Originally by: Iroku Mata
Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.09.19 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/09/2008 18:08:13
If I appear to be ignoring parts (well okay most of) your posts Darius thats because I am. Nothing you say ever really amounts to more than an extended personal attack and as a rule its pointless to respond in detail. Still, continue bellowing as you will. Freedom of speech and all that.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Bane Glorious
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Posted - 2008.09.19 18:20:00 -
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i think i'm pretty civil just imho, just throwing it out there |
Vio Geraci
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:03:00 -
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Oh, I see, Jade can express his opinion but Darius can't, because Darius' opinion is nebulously deemed "trolling" by a faceless, oversight-less, forum moderator.
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Odet
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:15:00 -
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No, Darius's posts were removed by my request, as it is my thread.
I asked to have his posts removed because, he was making personal attacks instead of constructively discussing the topic at hand.
Do not place any blame on the moderator for doing his job at my request.
It is my thread and if I feel somebody is trolling it or de-railing it, I have the right to ask to have the posts removed.
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Santaria Boon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
No, Darius's posts were removed by my request, as it is my thread.
I asked to have his posts removed because, he was making personal attacks instead of constructively discussing the topic at hand.
Do not place any blame on the moderator for doing his job at my request.
It is my thread and if I feel somebody is trolling it or de-railing it, I have the right to ask to have the posts removed.
Actually that's the moderator's job. If you don't like the responses you get on the internet don't ask questions. You may report whatever you like, but the blame for poor moderation rests solely at the feet of the moderator.
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Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto |
Vio Geraci
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
No, Darius's posts were removed by my request, as it is my thread.
I asked to have his posts removed because, he was making personal attacks instead of constructively discussing the topic at hand.
Do not place any blame on the moderator for doing his job at my request.
It is my thread and if I feel somebody is trolling it or de-railing it, I have the right to ask to have the posts removed.
Could you do me a favor and report Jade's posts, too? He's doing the same thing, he's just more wordy about it.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:28:00 -
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It really isn't the moderators fault if you can't express yourself with civil words and debate. Nobody is forcing Goonswarm to flame people on the internet.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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CCP Saint
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:38:00 -
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*cleaned* Continuation of discussion of moderation will result in warnings/bans. Please post with respect to fellow players and continue discussions without attacking each other.
If you truly feel the need to continue, please take it in game and hunt each other down with massive amounts of 'pew pew' and 'ohh noesss!'
Saint
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Saint
If you truly feel the need to continue, please take it in game and hunt each other down with massive amounts of 'pew pew' and 'ohh noesss!'
QFT - excellent advise! 
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Odet
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Saint
*cleaned* Continuation of discussion of moderation will result in warnings/bans. Please post with respect to fellow players and continue discussions without attacking each other.
If you truly feel the need to continue, please take it in game and hunt each other down with massive amounts of 'pew pew' and 'ohh noesss!'
Thanks for the tidy up.
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Santaria Boon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Saint
*cleaned* Continuation of discussion of moderation will result in warnings/bans. Please post with respect to fellow players and continue discussions without attacking each other.
If you truly feel the need to continue, please take it in game and hunt each other down with massive amounts of 'pew pew' and 'ohh noesss!'
That was a perfectly valid topic of discussion. It was not an attack and was a direct response to a post in this thread. What on earth is wrong with you? You must be new. I'd suggest you go get someone to look over your shoulder. Like now.
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto |
Odet
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.19 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Odet
If you are unable to remain civil with ALL the other CSM's, then I don't see you fit to be a CSM.
Grudges or not, you are public representative, in a position of respect. You should show respect, class and diplomacy, regardless of how stupid or irrational an idea or person is being. Regardless of in game politics and pasts.
As expected, you can see in exhibit A and Exhibit B.
I think you cite a very idealistic proposition there. And if people truly did vote only for people they expected to be able to remain calm and respectful at all times then the CSM might be interesting - but you do have the problem that however YOU vote, you are always going to get a couple of alliance block candidates in the mix who cannot help themselves but be unpleasant and get stuck into the other delegates.
Still, its been an interesting process - I've learned of myself that I'm not cut out for politics because I simply can't stand certain people and can't really hide my disgust for short-sighted partisan issue-blocking against the interests of the game at large.
Well Jade, I agree there will always be somebody elected who shouldn't have been, as they do not meet the criteria of a well rounded CSM. But CSM's are still subject to the forum rules as you can see from this thread. If the CSM Can't act accordingly, he will get his post removed like everyone else.
CSM's should imo be subject to harsher penalities, when it comes to having their post removed, given their position in the community. If a CSM has thier posts removed x amount of times they should be removed from CSM period. Let's say first time a warning, second a gag for x amount of time, third time removed as a CSM.
They should act accordingly with their added responsibility. If they are unable to act in accordance to their position they should not be there.
That's how I feel about it anyway.
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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.19 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 19/09/2008 20:03:07
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: CCP Saint
If you truly feel the need to continue, please take it in game and hunt each other down with massive amounts of 'pew pew' and 'ohh noesss!'
QFT - excellent advise!
Man you just don't get it do you.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/09/2008 18:08:13
If I appear to be ignoring parts (well okay most of) your posts Darius thats because I am. Nothing you say ever really amounts to more than an extended personal attack and as a rule its pointless to respond in detail. Still, continue bellowing as you will. Freedom of speech and all that.
This kinda stuff coming from you is priceless. Were you not initially banned from these forums way back when for being exactly like that?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.09.19 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/09/2008 20:14:49
Originally by: Odet
Well Jade, I agree there will always be somebody elected who shouldn't have been, as they do not meet the criteria of a well rounded CSM. But CSM's are still subject to the forum rules as you can see from this thread. If the CSM Can't act accordingly, he will get his post removed like everyone else.
Well I don't want to get involved in the specific discussion of moderation in this thread - but I think this Jita Park/Assembly hall pair of forum sections has been a problem for forum management since the outset. There has been a lot of flaming and bad behaviour perpetrated here - and part of that is responsible for the death of actual debate between CSMs and the community in these forum sections. I can understand why it happened and why it was felt these sections should be "hands off" so as to not interfere with the democratic opinions and discussions that were meant to happen here - but with virtual mudslinging so thick that you can't see opinions and debate for the actual mud its all a bit silly.
I certainly feel strongly that I literally cannot post ANYTHING here without being abused, insulted, flamed and trolled at the moment. And thats a ridiculous situation for a player, let alone a CSM rep, let alone CSM chair to be in.
We were promised some private forums to conduct CSM business in but circumstances have gotten in the way of that and its nobodies fault end of the day. But the fact we NEED private forums is a bad reflection on the climate of the forums in and of themselves. The community does have some responsibility in not exercising appropriate peer pressure on individuals and organizations that promote flaming as an ordinary style of discourse.
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CSM's should imo be subject to harsher penalities, when it comes to having their post removed, given their position in the community. If a CSM has thier posts removed x amount of times they should be removed from CSM period. Let's say first time a warning, second a gag for x amount of time, third time removed as a CSM. They should act accordingly with their added responsibility. If they are unable to act in accordance to their position they should not be there. That's how I feel about it anyway.
Problem is that any moderation system can be "gamed" to a degree. And you don't want lawfully elected CSM's getting removed due to some underground mob "report" flood. Its a very difficult thing to measure.
I think ultra-strict moderation is not the answer. I think community peer pressure is.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Santaria Boon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.19 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
Well Jade, I agree there will always be somebody elected who shouldn't have been, as they do not meet the criteria of a well rounded CSM. But CSM's are still subject to the forum rules as you can see from this thread. If the CSM Can't act accordingly, he will get his post removed like everyone else.
CSM's should imo be subject to harsher penalities, when it comes to having their post removed, given their position in the community. If a CSM has thier posts removed x amount of times they should be removed from CSM period. Let's say first time a warning, second a gag for x amount of time, third time removed as a CSM.
They should act accordingly with their added responsibility. If they are unable to act in accordance to their position they should not be there.
That's how I feel about it anyway.
You get your voice and your vote every election cycle. That's your opportunity to speak and be heard. You continue to have that opportunity to express your opinion here on these forums. However, to suggest that elected representative's opinions should be controlled by CCP is hilariously offbase when discussing a council whose very creation stems from CCP's negative actions.
Allowing CCP to sway the discourse of the CSM in ANY WAY whatsoever, including via "moderation" is a ridiculous and dangerous prospect and sets an awful precedent.
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Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto |
Santaria Boon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.19 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Santaria Boon on 19/09/2008 20:18:13
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well I don't want to get involved in the specific discussion of moderation in this thread - but I think this Jita Park/Assembly hall pair of forum sections has been a problem for forum management since the outset. There has been a lot of flaming and bad behaviour perpetrated here - and part of that is responsible for the death of actual debate between CSMs and the community in these forum sections. I can understand why it happened and why it was felt these sections should be "hands off" so as to not interfere with the democratic opinions and discussions that were meant to happen here - but with virtual mudslinging so thick that you can't see opinions and debate for the actual mud its all a bit silly.
I certainly feel strongly that I literally cannot post ANYTHING here without being abused, insulted, flamed and trolled at the moment. And thats a ridiculous situation for a player, let alone a CSM rep, let alone CSM chair to be in.
We were promised some private forums to conduct CSM business in but circumstances have gotten in the way of that and its nobodies fault end of the day. But the fact we NEED private forums is a bad reflection on the climate of the forums in and of themselves. The community does have some responsibility in not exercising appropriate peer pressure on individuals and organizations that promote flaming as an ordinary style of discourse.
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CSM's should imo be subject to harsher penalities, when it comes to having their post removed, given their position in the community. If a CSM has thier posts removed x amount of times they should be removed from CSM period. Let's say first time a warning, second a gag for x amount of time, third time removed as a CSM. They should act accordingly with their added responsibility. If they are unable to act in accordance to their position they should not be there. That's how I feel about it anyway.
Problem is that any moderation system can be "gamed" to a degree. And you don't want lawfully elected CSM's getting removed due to some underground mob "report" flood. Its a very difficult thing to measure.
I think ultra-strict moderation is not the answer. I think community peer pressure is.
When you flame, attack and abuse others you should expect nothing but the same in return. Playing the victim doesn't excuse your own actions, nor even deflect from them very well.
:edit: I'm glad to see you've changed your tune on the moderation angle to one of community policing. I do seem to remember you mentioning wanting community members to be able to ban people in some form as well. A concept which seemed to gloss over the fact that in this world you also wouldn't be able to post.
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.09.19 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/09/2008 20:24:39
Originally by: Santaria Boon
:edit: I'm glad to see you've changed your tune on the moderation angle to one of community policing. I do seem to remember you mentioning wanting community members to be able to ban people in some form as well. A concept which seemed to gloss over the fact that in this world you also wouldn't be able to post.
Oh I still want that. I think it would be a great idea for the leaders of organizations to have collective responsibility for the posting standards of their members. I think eventually an organization that seems to promote pointless flaming as a default posting standard for its membership on eve online forums - should probably face temp-banning at the organizational level and be expected to improve.
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/09/2008 20:24:39
Originally by: Santaria Boon
:edit: I'm glad to see you've changed your tune on the moderation angle to one of community policing. I do seem to remember you mentioning wanting community members to be able to ban people in some form as well. A concept which seemed to gloss over the fact that in this world you also wouldn't be able to post.
Oh I still want that. I think it would be a great idea for the leaders of organizations to have collective responsibility for the posting standards of their members. I think eventually an organization that seems to promote pointless flaming as a default posting standard for its membership on eve online forums - should probably face temp-banning at the organizational level and be expected to improve.
heh Jade talking about posting standards. Really? i guess you dont need to be here anymore. |
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