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Locii
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Posted - 2008.09.19 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Locii on 19/09/2008 16:29:44
Edited by: Locii on 19/09/2008 16:28:19
Ive been getting freqent lock ups since running this card. can be stable for a long time or a short one. Then it just freeze totally locking teh pc up. Tried running with teh sound off, makes no difference apart from 10-15% extra fps
Im wondering if anyone else uses vista 64 and teh ati 4870x2 and has problem or no probelms. As im unsure if its vista, the card or just eve causing teh issue
Set up
Vista 64
Sapphire ati 4870x2
8gb corsair ram
AMD dual core 3gb
Thanks
Locii
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:36:00 -
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Does this happen around gates and gatefires?
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Locii
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Posted - 2008.09.20 20:32:00 -
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nope totally random. in station. docking. in missions. dont have anything running in teh back ground. runs fine in classic, but classic reminds me that i should be able to play premium every time i log in.
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Locii
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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:59:00 -
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been having this prob fpr the past few weeks. have updated all drivers, chip set, graphics card all programs. only thing taht seems to work is diabling the sound card in the bios.
does anyone else have issues with theer sound card causing eve to crash?
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Vlos Ktonos
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Posted - 2008.10.10 03:23:00 -
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I have a Visiontek 4870x2, but I run XP64. when I was running Vista Ultimate64 Any little issue would result in BSOD. With XP I have no issues at all with Eve, or any other game for that matter.
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Gershomea Raphael
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 13:21:00 -
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You bought ATI?
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MasterOfPuppets
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.10.15 00:18:00 -
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same problem same card
I had a sound issue aswell that's fixed now but eve randomly locks up sometimes.
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AdioHyperion
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:23:00 -
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I also have the sapphire 4870 x2 card. I thought it was my cpu overheating becuase the q6600 was using the stock heatsink and fan, but seeing this post, at least I'm not the only one locking up. Whether I have the sound on or not, it seems to randomly lock up for no reason. Lucky it doesn't happen very often otherwise I would go crazy. If anyone finds any permanent fixes for this please let us know.
Also running:
vista 64 bit ultimate
sapphire 4870 x2
4gb corsair ddr3 ram
intel q6600 quad core
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Havus Mauth
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Posted - 2008.10.22 05:06:00 -
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getting a rediculous amount of lockups since my upgrade to the 4870x2. seriously, my clients dont last an hour.
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MMXMMX
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: MMXMMX on 22/10/2008 11:54:40
 Originally by: Locii
been having this prob fpr the past few weeks. have updated all drivers, chip set, graphics card all programs. only thing taht seems to work is diabling the sound card in the bios.
does anyone else have issues with theer sound card causing eve to crash?
Hmmm i remember that there was alraidy problems with onboard soundcards in eve for over more then 3 years .
3 years ago i disabled the onboard soundcard and got my self a SB Audigy 2 zs and never had sound crashes again .
And BTW i dont have any troble with my MSI 4870 OC it runs great on Win Vista 64 home basic with eve on new graphics wit all settings on High.
Here is a link to a topic about onboard soundcards Linkage
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.10.23 18:37:00 -
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Moved to Issues & Workarounds.
Mitnal
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
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Maggot
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.03 22:58:00 -
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I have got a 4870x2 and have the same issues. I have proven it is cpu temp causing a lockup or a controlled shutdown. Only happens with eve. Fallout 3 runs at least 20 deg C lower.
I read elsewhere that the solution is to remove drivers and the re-install chipset drivers etc...cant find the post though. |
Da Broom
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Posted - 2008.11.04 11:59:00 -
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ive had iseus similar with ati 3850.
loads of ****e. solved it though
8.05 and 8.10 drivers for nvidea card worked without crashes.
and i crash on soundcard still when duoboxing. but hope this helps a tad
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Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.24 21:08:00 -
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Bump.
Getting frequent ( < 5 mins) lock ups when running 2 windowed accounts on the primary screen. Specs are:
4870X2
Vista x64 Ultimate clean install, newest drivers
Seperate EVE folders for each client, each client optimized for performance (premium graphics on, but everything else off, including sound, shadows, HDR, effects, trails, sun occlusion etc).
Mostly happens when undocking/jumping and only happens on 1 client at a time. At this point it's become unplayable to dual account unless I stick to one system and remain undocked.
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Maggot
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.24 21:39:00 -
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I removed all drivers, reinstalled chipset drivers, installed 8.11 ati drivers AND removed my sound card (xfi sb) and moved to onboard sound. Everything seems to be fine now, although cpu is still hotter than when playing other games. |
Stalina
Gallente
Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2008.11.24 23:47:00 -
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I have Vista 64 and an ATI hd 4870 x2. I get random freezes when playing fullscreen. I dont have problems in window mode. Did not try with the 8.11 catalyst as I expected no change and I dont want to test and make my machine freeze again. And I have my sound turned of, did not activate sound in eve for years.
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Originally by: Malcanis
Hey I've got an idea: why don't you and your nerf-crying ilk never, ever post again.
See what you've done. Look what you did.
Now shush.
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Hurint
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Posted - 2008.11.25 00:20:00 -
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As far as I am aware, CCP do not talk to AMD in regards to having driver bugs etc looked at. This may be to do with their strategic partnership with nVidia, however I'm not too sure - they might just not fancy the effort of getting people that actually make cards/drivers to help them develop a better product.
If you happen to look through the AMD known issues knowledge base, you'll notice that theres nothing at all related to eve in it - however, look for almost any other title and you will get results, due to them being very open about issues and having excellent support, so I would say the ball is more or less in CCP's hands.
Faults like EVE blackscreening are clearly related to gfx, hitting both nV and AMD users - and for 2-3 years, this problem hasnt been resolved, tho it is quite hard to reproduce it. We never hear of actual client development, besides new features/graphics of the game, but not specifically work on the client. Most people still think Trinity in Vista is using DX10 tho... so who knows :/
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Marius Damocles
Shadow-Tech. Industry's
Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.11.25 08:03:00 -
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Got a similar issue, anytime i try to lock something, or i get locked by something, i get BSOD, then reboot... only thing i can think of is maybe sound card? if i turn off the sound, everything works fine. starting to get really tired of playing eve w/no sound.
My wife has a Nos ability that puts a "Curse" to shame. |
Murkon Salesgirl
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.25 08:45:00 -
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If you are having problems with the 4850, 4870 or 4870x2, do a google "4870 crashing" and do some reading. Eventually you will find a fix, its not universal and may differ for users. Mine was the card bios and power saving problem, kept fluctuating between 500mhz and 750mhz core speed every second when running Eve.. lead to crashes and resets. It will run demanding games fine, as it stays at 750mhz for those. It's a stupid early design at trying to get the card to save power when it isnt needed at 100% performance.
A bios flash to disable that and no problems since. My 4870 gets 150+ fps with max settings in jita. It's a sweet card. |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.11.25 15:50:00 -
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I have Vista 64 and a 4870X2, and apart from my card making sone odd noises when playing EVE all works fine (since the patch at least). I DID set 'present interval' to 'interval one' which helped a great deal.
Most of the time problems with cards like that comes from PSU or cooling problems. That or remove all your leftover drivers and reinstall.
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Lrrp
Minmatar
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.25 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Murkon Salesgirl
If you are having problems with the 4850, 4870 or 4870x2, do a google "4870 crashing" and do some reading. Eventually you will find a fix, its not universal and may differ for users. Mine was the card bios and power saving problem, kept fluctuating between 500mhz and 750mhz core speed every second when running Eve.. lead to crashes and resets. It will run demanding games fine, as it stays at 750mhz for those. It's a stupid early design at trying to get the card to save power when it isnt needed at 100% performance.
A bios flash to disable that and no problems since. My 4870 gets 150+ fps with max settings in jita. It's a sweet card.
This. I had similar problems and card bios flash seems to have fixed the problem. Also there is something called ATI Auto Tune in CCC. Run it as it will greatly enhance the speed of the card. Lastly set fan speed to at least 50%. You will see a dramatic decrease in card temps. Mine went from 68c to 38c.
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Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.26 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Aeon Yakati on 26/11/2008 17:42:54
Just thought I'd share my experiences since my last post.
It seems that the cause for crashing a single client and sometimes even entire computer freezes has been the 4870X2's integrated PowerPlay funtion, which is ATI's version of power saving management. Basically there's two modes in which the card operates by default, the first one being the 2D mode which underclocks the GPU and memory to begin with when you boot up your computer and the 3D mode, which changes the GPU and memory frequency to a higher value (and probably changes the related voltages to a similar level).
Some users have reported a, sometimes rapid, changing frequency of one of the cores just before crashing. I myself did not notice such behaviour but I had the theory that the reason why I didn't notice it was that my system was less forgiving and crashed on the first mode change, going from 2D mode to 3D mode. And as such I couldn't notice because by the time it happened, my screen had already frozen.
So browsing the interwebs, I read about other people having problems with the PowerPlay function and one of the solutions was to disable it within the bios by extracting (GPU-Z), editing (RBE) and then replacing (ATI Flash) it. I did not want to do this cause of the risks involved so I kept on looking and finally found an easier solution, or actually more of a workaround to be precise. What the following workaround boils down to is that you want to match the 2D modes performance to that of the 3D mode so a switching of modes never takes place in the first place.
Here's how:
1.Make a new profile in the catalyst control center (go to the profiles manager\enter or select a name\hit save\then hit activate).
2.Enable the overdrive feature buy unlocking it.
3. Enable hidden files useing the control panle (Control panle\Apperance and personalisation\Folder options\view\show hidden files and folders).
4. Seek out the following file directory: Vista: c:\users\yourdefaultusername\AppData\Local\ATI\ACE\profiles
XP: C:\Users\(username)\AppData\Local\ATI\ACE \profiles\(username) and then right click the profile you created and select edit.
6. Search for the following lines (but do not copy paste or use my numbers in this example) and then copy the green number to replace the red values. The red values refer to the core clock frequency associated to the 2D mode while the green values refer to the 3D mode. In my case my 3D mode was set to 743 Mhz or something by manufacturer default but I rounded it up to 750 Mhz just to be sure there wouldn't still be any mode switching and then used the same value for the 2D mode.
<Feature name="CoreClockTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="75000" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="75000" />
<Feature name="CoreClockTarget_1">
<Property name="Want_0" value="75000" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="75000" />
So what this does is that once you boot up your computer and CCC is loaded, your profile is then activated which in turn sets the core frequencies to a slightly higher value than the frequencies as defined in the default 3D mode's values. So the power consuming 2D mode is already running at high speed to begin with, which should either remove or at least minimize the effects of PowerPlay.
I might be off on some things since I don't work in the industry so forgive me for my interpretation of things if they are off.
Note that due to a bug GPU-Z might still show the older core frequency (507 Mhz) on one of the core, but CCC is right and the value shown there is the true value)
Also note that this is on your own risk and by using too high values you might ruin your card. If it doesn't work right away or if you see a black screen for longer than 1 second, reboot right away and enter your OS safe mode and either fix the typo or delete the profile in CCC.
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Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.26 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Aeon Yakati on 26/11/2008 17:49:11
And furthermore note that you should only attempt this if you suffer from repeated crashes when running multiple accounts and have exhausted all other options such as reinstalling your OS with the newest drivers and ofcourse what I said only applies to ATI dual gpu cards such as the 4870X2.
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