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Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/09/2008 03:13:21 This is the Enemy The Amarrian people have been facing the depredations of the Demon for thousands of years. The ways this manifests itself have always been similar. Deceit, treachery, and blasphemy are the weapons of the Deceiver. The goal of this monster: to destroy everything the Amarrian people hold sacred and to reverse the plan of God. That the hand of he Matari "Elders" and Shakor, the newly appointed dictator of the Matari insurrection, have demonstrated from the start of this war that they represent the newest head of this ancient hydra. Their craven surprise attack upon the Amarrian Empire represents the single most heinous act of deception in human history. They spat upon the hand of peace, offered by the Pious and Wise Emperors Doriam II and Heideran VII, and they launched a deceitful campaign of aggression that cost millions of lives in a single day. The goal of their campaign is exactly the same goal the minions of demonic power have always sought; to destroy the Empire of God and defecate upon His holy places. Thousands of brave pilots are now locked in the struggle to reverse the effects of the Matari treachery and to bring these evildoers to justice. These forces have begun to reverse the ill gotten gains of Shakor over the last months and with the help of God will continue to do so. But perseverance and the support of all those who believe in all that is good is needed. This war will not be over quickly. We must push the barbarians back to their caves, as they have proven unfit to be treated with in peace. To do this we need the support of every last soldier of God and every lover of peace and justice. Punish those who are responsible for the death that spans the stars. Show Shakor and his cronies that there is no tolerance in this universe for those who started this war. We did not start this war, but, by His light and His will, we shall finish it. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:20:00 - [2] The war began when the first Matari was stolen and enslaved. You need to brush up on your history, dear Gaven.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:24:00 - [3] Nonsense. The Matari signed the same peace treaty Amarr did over a century ago. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri The goal of their campaign is exactly the same goal the minions of demonic power have always sought; to destroy the Empire of God and defecate upon His holy places. Thousands of brave pilots are now locked in the struggle to reverse the effects of the Matari treachery and to bring these evildoers to justice. These forces have begun to reverse the ill gotten gains of Shakor over the last months and with the help of God will continue to do so. Why should those of us who are not even human care about defecation on holy places. It is so much easier and, according to some non-converted crew, more aesthetically pleasing to set it on fire and watch it burn to ash. The only thing your worthless throwing away of lives of soldiers will do is delay the inevitable. Amarr will burn. And I will personally insure that Sarum is tortured in killed, [i]slowly[/i[. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:27:00 - [5] Appeal to law all you like, dear Gaven. What is right supersedes what is legal.
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Kai Zion Appeal to law all you like, dear Gaven. What is right supersedes what is legal. Negative. What he who has the most firepower says is right. Any other opinions can be exterminated at will. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:28:00 - [7] You've got it mixed up dear. Right makes might, not the other way around. Next.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/09/2008 03:33:17 This Is the face of the Enemy. In the above thread, and here in this one. Mr. Cetes proves why we must fight to defend everything we hold dear. Quote: The only thing your worthless throwing away of lives of soldiers will do is delay the inevitable. Amarr will burn. And I will personally insure that Sarum is tortured and killed, slowly. I suggest anyone who believes the Matari are in the right should look very closely at his words. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri I suggest anyone who believes the Matari are in the right should look very closely at his words. Did I say the Matari were right? Have I never said any particular ideology is right. There is only one absolute truth in this world: power flows from the barrel of a gun. You don't have the most guns. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:46:00 - [10] Am I doing it right, dearest Gaven?
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:49:00 - [11] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/09/2008 03:50:14 The Matari do love their Fedos. Though I would not rate them very high on the threat index, unless you have a particularly strong sense of smell. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:57:00 - [12] I guess you've never seen a mutated Mother Fedo in full oestrus? Trust me, their foul smell is the least threatening part. That whiptail can really mess you up!
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 03:59:00 - [13] Really? The new things you learn every day. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:04:00 - [14] Oh yes, really. I wouldn't lie to you, darling Gaven. I believe the good Doctor Cosmopolite has a few specimens in his lab, in fact. Lovely chatting with you anyhow, I best get back to work. Now don't you go being a naughty GodSlave while my back is turned, mhm!
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:05:00 - [15] If "Dr. Cosmo" is admitting new patients, perhaps he should examine Individual Lok'ri here. Anyone who actually believes in an invisible man is probably not in control of all his mental facilities. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:08:00 - [16] Of course you weren't lieing. Really, I believe every word that comes out of your mouth. Have fun with your work, Heretic. Don't let the reality that after this short existence you will burn for an eternity weigh you down. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:18:00 - [17] My technology allows me to live forever here and now. With cloning we ARE immortal, why would such an ILLUSION like an eternity bother me? I know it won't happen so I'm not concerned. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Natalia Duraldi Gallente Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:19:00 - [18] So whats worse, a free heretic, or an empire led by a heretic?
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:23:00 - [19] Your point is off target. If Jamyl was a Heretic the Theology Council would have condemned her. Therefore, she cannot, by definition, be a Heretic. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Natalia Duraldi Gallente Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:33:00 - [20] So everything that the Theology council says or does is right? What about the fallibility of man and their inability to truly interpret the word of God?
Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:37:00 - [21] Edited by: Myxx on 22/09/2008 04:42:50 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/09/2008 03:13:21 This is the Enemy The Amarrian people have been facing the depredations of the Demon for thousands of years. The ways this manifests itself have always been similar. Deceit, treachery, and blasphemy are the weapons of the Deceiver. The goal of this monster: to destroy everything the Amarrian people hold sacred and to reverse the plan of God. That the hand of he Matari "Elders" and Shakor, the newly appointed dictator of the Matari insurrection, have demonstrated from the start of this war that they represent the newest head of this ancient hydra. Their craven surprise attack upon the Amarrian Empire represents the single most heinous act of deception in human history. They spat upon the hand of peace, offered by the Pious and Wise Emperors Doriam II and Heideran VII, and they launched a deceitful campaign of aggression that cost millions of lives in a single day. The goal of their campaign is exactly the same goal the minions of demonic power have always sought; to destroy the Empire of God and defecate upon His holy places. Thousands of brave pilots are now locked in the struggle to reverse the effects of the Matari treachery and to bring these evildoers to justice. These forces have begun to reverse the ill gotten gains of Shakor over the last months and with the help of God will continue to do so. But perseverance and the support of all those who believe in all that is good is needed. This war will not be over quickly. We must push the barbarians back to their caves, as they have proven unfit to be treated with in peace. To do this we need the support of every last soldier of God and every lover of peace and justice. Punish those who are responsible for the death that spans the stars. Show Shakor and his cronies that there is no tolerance in this universe for those who started this war. We did not start this war, but, by His light and His will, we shall finish it. You went and took one third of all matari people and don't expect retribution when they get **ed off about the "hand of peace" being a coercing, decietful and violent attitude of "bend to our will, or no peace"? Hypocrite. I don't even care for either side, and yet, you seem to be lacking the ability to use logic properly. thats like trying to trap a lion and thinking its tamed, and then being mad when it bites you in the neck when you turned your back on it. I think you should seriously reconsider what you say in the name of your "religion" because it isn't entirely correct. The way they see it, I do believe that they are more than willing to fight to the death to exact a retribution that has been being worked to for ages. ---- Originally by:** Tishlin Veredici CONCORD is like the UN. Their entire job is to do nothing until its too late.
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/09/2008 03:13:21 This is the Enemy The Amarrian people have been facing the depredations of the Demon for thousands of years. The ways this manifests itself have always been similar. Deceit, treachery, and blasphemy are the weapons of the Deceiver. The goal of this monster: to destroy everything the Amarrian people hold sacred and to reverse the plan of God. Neither the Thukker nor the Elders have ever promised the Amarr Empire peace. Before the Rebellion, the Amarr mounted an organised campaign of assassination and brutal murder against the Elders. That any survived, hidden away in the empty depths of the Great Wildlands, came as a surprise to all of us. But that their first move, once they revealed themselves, was to strike at the Amarr Empire, shouldn't shock anyone. But what did they really do when they came forth? They hit at the worst centres of oppression and slavery in the Empire, spread Insorum in planetary atmospheres, grabbed as many slaves as possible... And left. We cannot say, of course, what the fleet that died in Sarum would have done, unless someone is claiming to be psychic, but as for the rest of their ships, they took our people - their people - and went home. So tell me how this was born in deceit? What Matari power could promise you immunity to justice for what the Empire has done, when the Matari have no higher power than the Elders. Had your ancestors not been so keen to eradicate the history, the religion, the lore and the power the Elders respresented, you might have had someone to actually negotiate with. And if you had ever obtained such an agreement, you could call this a betrayal. Whether it would be of the same magnitude as, say, demanding a peace treaty with the Republic and then continuing to raid for slaves across the border... well, that's debatable. And by "debatable", I mean "No, it isn't". The truth is, the agenda of the Matari remains as it has always been: The reunion of our people, our family. The best way to ensure that it goes no further than that, is to put down your whips, and so take ours away. I leave you with one final thought: When the ears hear only The mouth shouting And the eyes see only The fingers broken The world has turned And God has gone Left us with fond memories Of sweet life without pain. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:45:00 - [23] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/09/2008 04:45:20 Myxx: I expect the Matari to agree to a hundred year old peace treaty that they signed. If they are going to declare war, I expect them to do it in a civilized fashion in accordance with the treaties they have signed. Instead, the current Matari leadership launched the largest surprise attack in history and a hostile takeover of their own government. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.22 04:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/09/2008 04:46:18 I expect the Matari to agree to a hundred year old peace treaty that they signed. If they are going to declare war, I expect them to do it in a civilized fashion in accordance with the treaties they have signed. Instead, the current Matari leadership launched the largest surprise attack in history and a hostile takeover of their own government. You dont get it. do you? The peace treaty was void the moment an amaarian ship crossed the border. The fact they didn't retaliate sooner is more amazing and a testament to their will than anything. ---- Originally by: Tishlin Veredici CONCORD is like the UN. Their entire job is to do nothing until its too late.
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.09.22 05:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri I expect the Matari to agree to a hundred year old peace treaty that they signed. If they are going to declare war, I expect them to do it in a civilized fashion in accordance with the treaties they have signed. The problem you have is that the peace treaty was with the Republic, formed of four tribes out of seven: the Brutor, the Sebiestor, the Krusual and the Vherokior. The "Elder fleet" came from the lands of the Thukker. Had the Republic government of the time had any knowledge of it, do you really think Prime Minister Midular would have fired Ambassador Yun? Then they struck, and they struck hard. Politically, what effectively happened next was the dissolution of the Republic as we knew it at the time, with its citizens defecting en masse to a new entity - a united body of the seven tribes, of which Shakor has just been crowned San Matar. Seven tribes, only four of which had previously been bound by a treaty - and that treaty was broken by the Amarr almost the night it was signed. Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri ...As for their actions: First: They used insorium, a known maddening agent, in their attack. In other words, they wished to create mass destruction, at the expense of the now dead unarmed slaves who died in the rioting and after the "elders" had to leave the field. Second: They only retreated after their advance had been decisively defeated. Pretending they wanted less than a complete crippling attack on Amarr is deceitful at best. The "maddening" effect of which you speak is much more likely to be Vitoc, a psychoactive drug, and simple human cruelty, Gaven. After all, your own people inhaled the Insorum too. That those left behind paid a heavy price for their brethren's freedom, I do not dispute, but this fleet only had the one chance to save as many as possible. As for the question of a crippling attack, yes. Of course they wanted enemy forces crippled and out of the fight. When you are carrying civilians to safety, you do not leave ships and armaments lying around that can destroy their transports and kill the thousands inside when they are but a breath away from freedom. Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri The reality is that the Elders are nothing more than a gimmick by Shakor's supporters to take over the Republic and launch the most brutal surprise attack in history. Perhaps, but it does not change the fact that your claims of attempted genocide are, by the evidence so far, grossly exaggerated. And it doesn't change the fact that you are holding our people prisoner. Let them go and then shout to me of your innocence, of the hardships and injustice you endure. Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri And your scripture quote missed the mark, it does not refer to what you seem to think it refers. That's exactly what I've said to you many times about this one: The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 05:35:00 - [26] Quote: That's exactly what I've said to you many times about this one: The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled. To elaborate: This: When the ears hear only The mouth shouting And the eyes see only The fingers broken The world has turned And God has gone Left us with fond memories Of sweet life without pain. Is from a prophecy concerning the end of time. The Apocalypse. It is actually relevant to this thread, for it is exactly what the souls of Evanda and Kai will be experiencing. The Faithful, however, have a different destiny. From the same book: At the end of days when they descend Watch for the coming of the Ark For within it Salvation is carried. When God's work in this universe is done, the Faithful will leave it. Only those who are not among the elect have a future of eternal pain to look forward to. I am not exactly sure what you were attempting to do with that scripture, as unless you like reminding yourself of your future I fail to see what point you were making. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 06:09:00 - [27] What did I tell you about misbehaving, hmm? Anyhow, my precious Gaven, I don't plan on dying. I'm afraid that means I won't be seeing hell save for on the other side of infinity which, of course, makes about as much sense as a shield tanked Apocalypse. (See what I did there? How witty of me.) When the suns go dark, I'll still be here eating strawberries and singing Khanid lullabies. Do pass my regards on to Mr God though.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.22 06:10:00 - [28] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 22/09/2008 06:12:16 Gods, transcendentalists. It's not the belief in an "invisible man in the sky" that makes this line of belief so often such a headache for the rest of us. It's that you draw your moral authority from something outside the universe, something that not only can't be seen or felt, but whose dictates supersede any moral impulse that is of this world. I don't claim to be the sort being who can declare the divine Truth of any god, nor am I even a very "good" being in any conventional, human sense, Mr. Lok'ri, but let me at least remind you of something since you insist upon sticking your vision of the end of all things in our collective face: You are tainted. Your body has been cloned, your mind transferred, your soul damaged, which, as I understand it, means you'll be stuck here with the rest of us heretics and heathens. On the extremely off chance that you do turn out to be right about your God and His intentions, we can look forward to your continued presence among us for a goodly long time. I wonder what state you'll be left in. After this little piece of self-congratulation on your part, I must say it would just about be worth it to find out. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.09.22 06:37:00 - [29] That's more or less what I meant, my dear Gaven. But the difference is, you believe your people to be faithful, to be doing the will of God. At least that's what you tell yourself. But I can't help but wonder, when you look at the people around you - at your dead Empress, at the Holders on your planets, even at the staff who run your SPCS facilities, do you really believe that they're doing it for the betterment of Man? Can you believe that of every single one? Any member of Amarr society can be handed total power over another human being, and it's simply human nature to abuse power, especially when it can be done with impunity. Slave-holding can benefit someone economically through cheap labour, can bolster the ego of the lowest member of society by placing someone beneath them, can let someone vent their own impotence through cruelty - do you really believe that Amarr society is immune to these pitfalls? Or are those who shout loudest of their virtue, their adherence to the will of god, of their benevolent bestowing of enlightenment just doing it to drown out the whimpering, the cries of the people they grind beneath their heels? Do you yourself deliberately block your ears to the reality and just listen to their vocal claims? And likewise, you speak here about these "great injustices" inflicted on your people, the injuries done to you, but you don't look at all at your Empire's history of conquest and rapine, the many nations brought to heel under the lash, the "surpise attacks" and undeclared wars that have started with the Empire, your own nation's violations of the very treaties it proposed, the way it pushes for the upholding of only one side. You see only the injury, and I understand that, I really do. The pain closest to home is the most immediate, and no one likes to look at themselves when the time comes to appoint blame. But if the world turns, can you really look at your own nation and see anything other than the very demon you describe? -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 07:09:00 - [30] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/09/2008 07:10:05 Quote: doing it for the betterment of Man? They are doing it to bring Man closer to God's will. . As for your complaints about our empire: We have never hidden behind lies and surprise attacks. Despite what your "tradition" says of us. Yes I know you have that myth about the "day of darkness", but it contradicts every other reality of the Matari conquest. We declared war, came in directly and the Matari people were outmatched. Now, if we want to get into this blame game the answer is far less simple than you would make it. If we trace the first crime, we will end up on the homeworld. The first crime of the Matari people was the decision on the homeworld to abandon God. Your far distant ancestors forced ours into exile, if you want to go into ancient history. But I do not wish to dwell on ancient history. I wish to dwell on the here and now. The reality of the last century is that Amarr has offered peace on an unprecedented scale (even the Gallente recognized this as they gave Emperor Heideran their peace prize) while the Matari people, in return, have offered death on an unprecedented scale. The current regime of the Matari people seized power through lies and brutal force aimed at their own people as well as at the Amarrian people. The Elders are a myth, a lie made up to legitimize the takeover of the Matari people by Shakor. Try and spin it as you will; but the Matari people are the ones who started this war with their assault on CONCORD itself. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.09.22 08:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri They are doing it to bring Man closer to God's will. And you really believe that? Honestly? You are sincerely telling me that you never once feel a single shiver of doubt that maybe you're the only one who believes that line and everyone else is just enjoying the lordship? -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 09:01:00 - [32] Originally by: Evanda Char Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri They are doing it to bring Man closer to God's will. And you really believe that? Honestly? You are sincerely telling me that you never once feel a single shiver of doubt that maybe you're the only one who believes that line and everyone else is just enjoying the lordship? There are many of us who not only believe that we are enacting God's will, but also know that we are enacting God's will. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 09:06:00 - [33] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/09/2008 09:06:41 What a silly question. You would have a ruler enjoying doing what he is good at and having the goal of bringing man closer to God at the same time be a contradiction. It is not. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 09:40:00 - [34] Hah, look at them scrambling for a way to dodge that one! Now try again guys, except this time, answer the question you were asked eh?
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.09.22 09:44:00 - [35] Edited by: Stitcher on 22/09/2008 09:45:41 ... from where I'm sitting, it looks like they did. Admittedly, they made the mistake of using purple prose where a simple "yes" would have sufficed, but they still answered the question. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:00:00 - [36] My sweet Khanid ass they did. Let me break it down for you. Evanda: Do you concede the possibility that someone, somewhere, is ruling not out of faith but out of desire for power alone? GodSlave Blake: There's many of us who believe and even know we are acting in God's will. And again... Evanda: Do you concede the possibility that someone, somewhere, is ruling not out of faith but out of desire for power alone? GodSlave Lok'ri: It's not a contradiction for someone to enjoy having power and yet also be faithful. I'd love to see how you think either of those tackle the issue raised. Feel free to use polysyllables too Mr. Stitcher, I think we can just about handle it.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:10:00 - [37] Edited by: Stitcher on 22/09/2008 10:14:13 Allow me to correct that for you. Originally by: Kai Zion Evanda: You are sincerely telling me that you never once feel a single shiver of doubt that maybe you're the only one who believes that line and everyone else is just enjoying the lordship? Rodj Blake: There's many of us who believe and even know we are acting in God's will. That would be an affirmation of faith right there, I'd say, and thus a direct answer to the question he was actually being asked. Quote: Evanda: You are sincerely telling me that you never once feel a single shiver of doubt that maybe you're the only one who believes that line and everyone else is just enjoying the lordship? Gaven Lok'ri: It's not a contradiction for someone to enjoy having power and yet also be faithful. And once again, a direct answer to the question he was being asked. Honestly, Kai, if you have to resort to that kind of slippery behaviour just to try and scrounge together some semblance of an argument, perhaps it's time to start considering the possibility that you might be *wrong? I'm not saying that you ARE, necessarily - I've never like PIE's philosophy either - but if there's one thing I can't stand it's a bad arguer. You win arguments by being right, not by ignoring what the other side is actually saying and instead debating with the warped version inside your own head. If memory serves, what you're doing is called a "straw man" argument. They have answered for themselves in saying that they, personally, feel no doubt, which is what Ms. Char actually asked them*. She did not ask whether they conceded the possibility of other holders acting out of greed for power, rather than faith. I make no judgment calls on whether or not they were truthful in their assertion of faith, only that they answered the question they were asked, not the one you just made up. So allow me to ask, gentlemen: Do you concede the possibility that someone, somewhere, is ruling not out of faith but out of desire for power alone? - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Natalcya Katla Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:10:00 - [38] This arena game you try to pass off as a war won't end for as long as the leaders on every side can milk it for racist sentiment - and it could take a good, long time before that well is dry. In moral terms, this is evil fighting evil, and regrettably, it's liable to only result in the corruption of yet another generation of youth on all sides.
Mkhai Bastion Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:17:00 - [39] God theory: If god created all...then one has to question the purpose. If he was alone, then created all matter...was he simply lonely? If god was all powerful and all knowing and his plan was to give mankind a choice...why? If he was this omnipotent being, why not skip all the fanfare and fast forward to the end result? The end result of course being his sublime design realized. It is a comfortable and easy life to simply push off responsibility for your humanity on the whim of your imagined god creation. You can write any god book you need to justify your inhuman actions and chalk it up as simply gods will. If this "god" was the one who created all...meaning "we" all came from god...then he gives us a choice. Heaven, or hell. Remember he has created heaven and hell. So if we (HIM, as we come from god) are good, then we go to heaven (which he created) when we die. If we (HIM, as we come from god) are bad, then we go to hell ( which he created) to burn for our (his) sins. If this god was perfect, why create us on purpose without his perfections? Is this "god" in need of drama? Is this god simply lonely and in need of a good laugh? This "god" could have avoided all bloodshed and saved all creation the bother of our existence by simply creating everything as perfect...booring huh? Your shallow life is hatched out of the ideas of mortal man which (god craft beginnings) has been so far removed by time that you take the comfortable route of "never questioning gods plan". You are puppets with no freedom and no recourse other than to continue to shuffle along in your imagined "holy path". If your god really did exist (other than your imagination), it seems he does not have control over his creations...why is that? This implies your god is something less than supreme and all knowing...fallible...as if he tried hard and failed harder. It is clear your less than perfect "god" favors blind faith...anything less and his "idea" gets watered down rather quickly. A society based on blind faith would be short lived society indeed if people were able to think for themselves and simply find their own truth. How does that feel slave? Deceiver? You have seen the enemy...and it is you. Your god seems more like a lonely scientist that lost his way...trying computations and ideas to figure out some identity for itself.
Laerise Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:18:00 - [40] The heretic is right though. They will live for an eternity, and so will we. I must say I find this thought comforting. In a few centuries, when there is the Pax Amarr, I will still be there to watch them burn for their every single sin. Repeatedly. You have but one choice, lay down your arms, surrender yourself to justice and try to atone for your sins, and those of your ancestors, while you still can.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:22:00 - [41] Hah, amusing. If you think she was asking what is literally there, then I'm afraid the rhetoric is going over your head. Ms. Char is not so stupid as to be asking, literally, if everyone but the PIE GodSlaves are faithless, power-hoarding despots. I think even the most demented of Matari freedom fighters would concede that many act out of faith and not some desire for power. But hey, if you want to put on your Caldari lawyer suit and claim the words should only be understood literally then go for it, just try not to in the same breath, accuse me of engaging in slippery behavior - hypocrisy doesn't suit someone like you.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Laerise The heretic is right though. They will live for an eternity, and so will we. Mmmyeah! I like you! Let's do drinks.
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:29:00 - [43] i am impressed by the never ending patience my brothers and sisters in PIE display with heretics and sub-human beings. to bring it back to one of the arguments mentioned some time ago: it's not the number of guns you bring into the fight, it's the way you use them that will make things happen. HE will always guide us and make us use our guns the right way. you shall all burn, the moment we send you to hell and the eternities ever after! Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Kai Zion But hey, if you want to put on your Caldari lawyer suit and claim the words should only be understood literally then go for it, just try not to in the same breath, accuse me of engaging in slippery behavior - hypocrisy doesn't suit someone like you. Huh. And here was me thinking I was being characteristically blunt and unsubtle. If you're going to ask a question, ask the bloody question. Don't ask a completely different question and expect the people you're questioning to suddenly manifest telepathic abilities and answer the one you wanted them to. Anyway, you're doing it again. What ms. Char asked was: "Do you, personally, ever feel any doubt". You're quite right, she indeed did not ask whether everyone but PIE are faithless, power-hoarding despots. For the sake of your own credibility if nothing else, man, STOP putting words in other people's mouths. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:46:00 - [45] Goodness, you make me sound so bad! Why don't you get this worked up over what your buddies in the Empire get up to, hmm? They don't just put words in people's mouths darling, they put gags and well...other things too, I am sure. That bother you? If it does then speak out about it because, let's be honest here, relative to them I'm not really doing much wrong and if I am, Evanda can spank me or tell me to shut up (I hope it's the former). Anyhow, it's not like you need telepathy to see what the real question was. It wasn't "don't you doubt" period. It was "don't you doubt THAT..." followed by the stuff I already outlined. This isn't quantum physics my dear Mr. Stitcher, no need to make it out to be something so terribly confusing that it gets your panties in a twist worrying about my credibility. Glad that you care though of course! That's very nice of you.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.09.22 10:57:00 - [46] Edited by: Stitcher on 22/09/2008 11:01:58 What can I say? I'm an old-fashioned soul with a bugbear about honesty and integrity. The real question, for the record was, quote: "You are sincerely telling me that you never once feel a single shiver of doubt that maybe you're the only one who believes that line and everyone else is just enjoying the lordship?". I apologize for trimming it down slightly earlier. It's called a "hypothetical scenario", Kai. she's asking whether they, personally, feel doubt about the intentions of all other holders. They said "no". Their denial does not mean that they think ALL holders are honest, it just means that they don't think all holders are dishonest. This does not imply a universal faith in the integrity of the Holders - which would be stupid - just that they don't think they are the only ones who are motivated by faith. Let's not run away with the conclusions, here. Any halfway reasonable human being - and to be fair to them, neither Mr. Blake nor Mr. Lok'ri have ever given me reason to doubt that they are at least halfway reasonable - will naturally accept that some holders will be corrupt, and some will be virtuous. I assume that that's what they meant, though obviously I'd prefer it if one of them were to return to the discussion and confirm my assumption. in any case, we're digressing from the original point, namely: Quote: Hah, look at them scrambling for a way to dodge that one! Now try again guys, except this time, answer the question you were asked eh? to which I responded: Quote: ... from where I'm sitting, it looks like they did. Admittedly, they made the mistake of using purple prose where a simple "yes" would have sufficed, but they still answered the question. I maintain that they directly answered the question they were asked. The issue here is not what the question was, but whether or not they actually answered it, which I still contend that they did. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.22 11:10:00 - [47] Yes, I'm sure that the PIE Godslaves will be right along to admit in front of millions of viewers that holders are at times corrupt and godless. Say, you Caldari like to bet, right? 100m ISK says it doesn't happen. Now, we just need you to match it and then find a third party guarantor. Sound like a party?
Garion Avarr Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.	Posted - 2008.09.22 12:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Evanda Char The problem you have is that the peace treaty was with the Republic, formed of four tribes out of seven: the Brutor, the Sebiestor, the Krusual and the Vherokior. The "Elder fleet" came from the lands of the Thukker. Had the Republic government of the time had any knowledge of it, do you really think Prime Minister Midular would have fired Ambassador Yun? Then they struck, and they struck hard. Politically, what effectively happened next was the dissolution of the Republic as we knew it at the time, with its citizens defecting en masse to a new entity - a united body of the seven tribes, of which Shakor has just been crowned San Matar. Seven tribes, only four of which had previously been bound by a treaty - and that treaty was broken by the Amarr almost the night it was signed. Would you care to elaborate on exactly how the Amarr broke that treaty, perhaps? Your arguments are rather . . . interesting, and I would like to reply to them in more detail, unfortunately, I am pressed for time at the moment and need to look up certain points of law before I do so. But in the meantime, if you would explain exactly how the Amarr broke the treaty, I can deal with that at the same time. ________________________________ This is not a signature.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 13:24:00 - [49] Originally by: Kai Zion Yes, I'm sure that the PIE Godslaves will be right along to admit in front of millions of viewers that holders are at times corrupt and godless. Say, you Caldari like to bet, right? 100m ISK says it doesn't happen. Now, we just need you to match it and then find a third party guarantor. Sound like a party? I really don't know what point you're trying to make. I imagine that you're trying to tempt us to say that no Holder has ever made a mistake and then you'll dredge up some historical example of a noble falling from grace and then claim that because of that everything we've ever said is wrong. That would be the normal tactic of your type. Has every single Holder since the establishment of the Empire been perfect? Of course not. But where corruption and Godlessness rear their ugly heads in the Empire, they are rooted out ruthlessly, and one only needs to look at the history of the Republic and the Federation to realise that corruption in those nations is far worse than in the Empire. The Empire has a zero tolerance to corruption, and it's this policy that has made it the most successful nation in human history. As the Scriptures tell us, not only do we need to defeat the enemies of the outside, we also need to control the ememies of the inside. However, the subject of this particular discussion is quite clearly the enemies of the outside. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
JOEI Zion	Posted - 2008.09.22 14:39:00 - [50] You're engaging in something unforgivably and unmistakably intentional and you know perfectly well what point Kai is making here. Those who watch from the sidelines, you countless millions clinging to this man's words, I ask of you; pay close to attention. Do not let it pass you by. This is not something far more excusable like a mere unintended misinterpretation or misunderstanding. It's impressive as it is dangerous, actually. That much I will grant. Your corporation's aptitude for wordplay and spin is almost elevated to an art form as you re-paint attacks made against you into something far weaker. Not only that, but you possess a well-refined ability to paint the most bleak of truths up as something far less significant - this you do invariably. She parrots the words back. "Has every single Holder since the establishment of the Empire been perfect? Of course not." That's about as watered down as an admission as it can get, as you and your type dare speak in such a public forum. Then, with conspicuous swiftness to those used to and yes, weary of such things, you move on to a far more extensive diatribe about how your corrupt Empire stamps these things out. The truth is Rodj, that your Empire is not as pious as you would like it to be, it is not as religious as you would like it to be - as you may even truly believe it to be. The truth is Rodj, that your Empire is just as corrupt as any other, if not moreso because the age old institution of religion shouts down those who would question power with more ruthlessness and zero tolerance than those who employ less binding ideologies would dare to. Kai needn't do any dredging to show the truth of something so evident. When an edict as holy as the Shathol'Syn is sacrificed for political expediency in plain view of countless observers, she doesn't need to dig around for antiquated anecdotes. When your Chamberlain and self-professed Guardian of the Throne, arbiter of God's will, falls from his position of power and prestige in such a way as he has, she has no need to draw upon some ancient and insignificant historical example. Most importantly, she has no desire in pointing these things out, to use them to support some absurd claim that everything PIE has ever said is wrong, or that there is nothing of merit in your Empire. She and I both are no fans of extremes, nor are we engaging in some second-rate, point scoring propaganda. I understand how you would wish that were so. Re-frame it in the most palatable language you like, Rodj. Dodge and weave as you will but language alone cannot hide truth forever, and the truth is that your Empire is corrupt. The truth is that your faith is as much a political tool as it is a sustaining, uplifting belief in a grand mythology that yes, at times empowers and inspires people to act in admirable ways. There is as much of one as there is of another. I have seen enough in these dark times to confidently claim that there is more of one than the other in recent years, and this trend will only continue onwards as true change and honest dialogue is stymied by you and yours. The subject may very well be the enemies outside, but I think before you look beyond your own borders for enemies, you would be better served looking into your own tainted souls, the decaying elements of your own corrupted Empire. It is rotting from within and the sooner you admit it with the honesty your religion holds aloft as a virtue, the sooner we can end this pathetic, laughable charade of wordplay and PR. The sooner we can go about protecting what is worth keeping and shedding the rest. Until you and yours do that, you will amount to nothing more than another parade of fools, all but blind to their own imperfection.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.22 15:01:00 - [51] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 22/09/2008 15:02:15 Dodging and weaving? I fail to see what any of your (mostly inaccurate) comments actually have to do with the subject of this discussion. But then, resorting to personal attacks has always been the last resort of those who fail to produce convincing arguments against the Empire. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.09.22 16:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Kai Zion Say, you Caldari like to bet, right? 100m ISK says it doesn't happen. Now, we just need you to match it and then find a third party guarantor. Sound like a party? If you'd said 100K, I'd have taken you up on it (and won, it seems). I'm not stupid enough to gamble with that kind of money. For starters, I don't presently have that much. My account's a little... sickly at the moment. Besides, I wager mostly as a way of keeping score, not for the thrill of it. little wagers here and there on trifles with trifles are so much more fun than dropping a hundred million on a GalNet disagreement. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
MirrorGod Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.09.22 20:30:00 - [53] We are all outlaws in the eyes of Amarria In order to survive we steal cheat lie forge hide and deal We are obscene lawless hideous dangerous dirty violent and young All your private property is Target for your enemy And your enemy is We We are forces of chaos and anarchy Everything they say we are we are And we are very Proud of ourselves Save Small Gang Warfare
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.22 22:08:00 - [54] Originally by: Kai Zion You've got it mixed up dear. Right makes might, not the other way around. Next. You realize you just said the same thing, right? Next.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.23 00:22:00 - [55] Originally by: MirrorGod We are obscene lawless hideous dangerous dirty violent and young "And young?" I think I see what you're getting at, pilot, but if I'm right it's unspeakably silly. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.09.23 06:21:00 - [56] Originally by: Kai Zion You've got it mixed up dear. Right makes might, not the other way around. Next. <Veron Daerth sits quietly for a moment> You know, my father told me something once. He said, "Veron, force rules the world, always has, always will. Meekness is weakness and strength is triumphant. In all of history, the victors write the books, set the rules, and ultimately decide on right and wrong." He was right, you know. The winners DO write the history books, and they DO set the rules. In many ways, their might DOES make it right, and also gives them the right to do what they do.... until they lose. Then it begins again. I dont know.... much has troubled me of late. <Veron Daerth laughs> Bah, just my ramblings again. May God bless and keep you, Pilots.
Camperific Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.09.23 11:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Their craven surprise attack upon the Amarrian Empire represents the single most heinous act of deception in human history. They spat upon the hand of peace, offered by the Pious and Wise Emperors Doriam II and Heideran VII, and they launched a deceitful campaign of aggression that cost millions of lives in a single day. And the day of darkness was the act of peacefull,civilised beings i suppose? As the saying goes 'you reap what you sow'.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.23 12:59:00 - [58] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/09/2008 12:59:42 Originally by: Camperific Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Their craven surprise attack upon the Amarrian Empire represents the single most heinous act of deception in human history. They spat upon the hand of peace, offered by the Pious and Wise Emperors Doriam II and Heideran VII, and they launched a deceitful campaign of aggression that cost millions of lives in a single day. And the day of darkness was the act of peacefull,civilised beings i suppose? As the saying goes 'you reap what you sow'. You have to consider two things. Firstly, Matar was undergoing an ecological disaster when the Golden Fleet arrived to rescue the inhabitants. Secondly, we Amarrians don't plan things out in terms of weeks, months or even years, but rather in centuries and millenia. Let us look at the fate of the Ni-Kunni. When we first encountered them they were a primitive people. I'm sure that some of them resisted our efforts to enlighten them, but in the long run the benefits are obvious - the Ni-Kunni have been elevated and are now a highly civilised people. All through the institution of slavery. And so it is with the Minmatar. They were in need of our help when we enocountered them. Not only was their homeworld becoming uninhabitable, they had turned also their backs on God, and we took it upon ourselves to bring them back into the fold as is our duty. Our methods may appear to be unkind to some, and they may not always be pleasant, but sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. It will be worth it in the long run, not only for the Empire, but also for the Minmatar people. So to answer your question, yes, the Day of Darkness was the act of peaceful, civilised beings. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Father Goose Amarr Order of the Lamp	Posted - 2008.09.23 14:06:00 - [59] Originally by: Rodj Blake Firstly, Matar was undergoing an ecological disaster when the Golden Fleet arrived to rescue the inhabitants. I thought the arrival of the Golden Fleet was the ecological disaster. Serving the Spiritual needs of the Matari, and all Children of Eve, by the Grace of God
Andaen Xarnin	Posted - 2008.09.23 15:14:00 - [60] Edited by: Andaen Xarnin on 23/09/2008 15:14:52
Eran Mintor 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:23:00 - [61] It's amusing when people try to act as if they have accurate knowledge of an event that happened way before their lifetime. Originally by: Rodj Blake They were in need of our help when we enocountered them. How very common of you to pass opinions off as facts. P.S. I've never heard of someone going to war with another in an attempt to "rescue" them. The little I know of politics today would imply that that would be a horrible PR move. Admit you're just a simple bigot underneath those fancy robes.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.09.23 21:16:00 - [62] Originally by: Eran Mintor Originally by: Rodj Blake They were in need of our help when we enocountered them. How very common of you to pass opinions off as facts. By the same token, it's only your opinion that he's wrong. I happen to agree with you, but your argument's going to have to be a good deal better than that meager effort if you want to break through Amarrian armour. Some cold, hard facts might be a good start. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.23 23:03:00 - [63] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 23/09/2008 23:04:57 Originally by: Camperific And the day of darkness was the act of peacefull,civilised beings i suppose? As the saying goes 'you reap what you sow'. The "Day of Darkness" is a relic of matari oral history and is entirely out of touch with what actually happened in the first Matari-Amarran war. The biggest storm ever and an invasion force consisting of exactly one freighter per planet with escort on the same day? Does that sound logical to you? Or perhaps what we have is the oral tradition theme of linking storms to events considered bad, and the oral tradition simplification of events into the stark images in the modern version of the tale. Really, though. arguing over who had fault first is irrelevant to the events of today. As I said earlier, if we want to look for the first sin, we can go back all the way to the expulsion of the faithful from the homeworld. What is relevant is that the Amarrians offered peace for over a century. That we were content to let the Matari have their republic in peace while we built our empire in peace. Not a single Amarrian or Matari living today was there at the day of darkness. All of us were there for the Peace. We offered peace. The Matari took that peace, spent it diverting funds into a secret navy, and then stabbed those who offered peace squarely in the back while at the same time launching a hostile takeover of the Matari Republic. No amount of spin can make that justified. Those who embrace the Lord And walk in light Shall be saved by His grace For we are the shepherds in the dark His Angels of Mercy Those who turn away from the light And walk in darkness Shall be stuck down by His wrath For we are retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
BloodBird Gallente Tactical Freedom Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Rodj Blake Matar was undergoing an ecological disaster when the Golden Fleet arrived to rescue the inhabitants. * They were in need of our help when we enocountered them. * Not only was their homeworld becoming uninhabitable, they had turned also their backs on God... *** yes, the Day of Darkness was the act of peaceful, civilised beings. You know... I had something I wanted to say to this, but I laughed so hard reading this that I can't recall what it was. Your in need of help Blake, really massive mental help, if you honestly believe what you just wrote... Boy, that was... that's really sets a new level of rich, even for you. Sig source
Orun Erajen Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:51:00 - [65] As long as the Empire burns, it troubles me not what reasons we justify it with. ----- Orun Erajen LeHane Family Representative and Capsuleer Liason
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:53:00 - [66] Originally by: Orun Erajen As long as the Empire burns, it troubles me not what reasons we justify it with. That's because you're a racist. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:57:00 - [67] Originally by: BloodBird Originally by: Rodj Blake Matar was undergoing an ecological disaster when the Golden Fleet arrived to rescue the inhabitants. * They were in need of our help when we enocountered them. * Not only was their homeworld becoming uninhabitable, they had turned also their backs on God... *** yes, the Day of Darkness was the act of peaceful, civilised beings. You know... I had something I wanted to say to this, but I laughed so hard reading this that I can't recall what it was. Your in need of help Blake, really massive mental help, if you honestly believe what you just wrote... Boy, that was... that's really sets a new level of rich, even for you. You really should look at the whole of my statement rather than just cherry-picking parts of it. Context is a marvellous thing. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Orun Erajen Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:59:00 - [68] Originally by: Rodj Blake That's because you're a racist. I will admit to being heavily prejudiced against the mentally challenged. ----- Orun Erajen LeHane Family Representative and Capsuleer Liason
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:02:00 - [69] Originally by: Rodj Blake That's because you're a racist. An ideology or religion does not constitute a race, nor does a government. As usual, Blake, your arguments fall flat. Your pathetic carnival sideshow of a corporation never ceases to amuse me. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake That's because you're a racist. An ideology or religion does not constitute a race, nor does a government. As usual, Blake, your arguments fall flat. Your pathetic carnival sideshow of a corporation never ceases to amuse me. My point was that if your associate were truly motivated by wanting to abolish our religion or ideology, he would be able to elucidate why he wants to see the Empire burn. However, since he says that he has no reason, we can take that to mean that in fact he wants to see the Empire burn for a reason that he dare not admit to. Or possibly because he's an insane psychopath. But you wouldn't employ someone like that, now would you? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
BloodBird Gallente Tactical Freedom Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:10:00 - [71] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: BloodBird Originally by: Rodj Blake Matar was undergoing an ecological disaster when the Golden Fleet arrived to rescue the inhabitants. * They were in need of our help when we enocountered them. * Not only was their homeworld becoming uninhabitable, they had turned also their backs on God... *** yes, the Day of Darkness was the act of peaceful, civilised beings. You know... I had something I wanted to say to this, but I laughed so hard reading this that I can't recall what it was. Your in need of help Blake, really massive mental help, if you honestly believe what you just wrote... Boy, that was... that's really sets a new level of rich, even for you. You really should look at the whole of my statement rather than just cherry-picking parts of it. Context is a marvellous thing. I did look at the whole, read it even, but the contents of that transmission was just... humorous, to the extreme. I merely picked out the parts that made me laught the loudest. If I were not pressed on time at this moment, I'd work out a reply to your post. Also, I've stil to overcome the marvelous humor of it all. Chuckes to himself ...rescue the inhabitants...laughts Oh man, I should go do what I got to do before I get stuck re-reading you message again. ((OOC: Honestly, that was hillarious, even if you did not mean for it to be. Brightened up an otherwise dull day, thanks :P Really, go to go now, bbl.)) Sig source
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:25:00 - [72] Originally by: Rodj Blake My point was that if your associate were truly motivated by wanting to abolish our religion or ideology, he would be able to elucidate why he wants to see the Empire burn. However, since he says that he has no reason, we can take that to mean that in fact he wants to see the Empire burn for a reason that he dare not admit to. Or possibly because he's an insane psychopath. But you wouldn't employ someone like that, now would you? Actually, Orun is the one person whose employment is not up to me. Well, technically it is, but if I want to receive funding from the LeHane family back on Intaki Prime, they insist that he sit on the board of directors. Besides, I find that sometimes his witty invective can say something far more effectively than my drawn-out explanations. For instance, everyone knows that you're almost always wrong, but whereas I feel bound to provide a detailed explanation as to why that is, he isn't really bound by this self-expectation and can just let off with some of those brilliant one-liners he seems to save up for just this sort of thing. Besides, he's my cousin. Who'd kick their own cousin out of their corporation? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Orun Erajen Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:26:00 - [73] So actually, Rodj, I lied - there is one mentally challenged person I tolerate. ----- Orun Erajen LeHane Family Representative and Capsuleer Liason
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:27:00 - [74] That was just uncalled for. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander

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