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Cooke
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.22 23:41:00 -
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ok I like the little stories they put out and all that, and even some of the player stuff, but here is something that has always bothered me:
In the latest eve chronicle (that I read anyway) it talks about ther COO of the caldari state being killed. cool story and all that, but I had to ask myself, why, exactley. can't the second most powerfull man in the entire nation not sc**** a few hundred million isk together and get a top level clone? I understand if the guys getting aced is some random person, a total nobody, but I would think heads of state can afford a clone or two.
I know it's really a game mechanic and all that, but is there any in story reason why only players are able to take the white light express to their local cloneing vat?
Just Wondering
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Lily Sarman
Ratio Decidendi
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Posted - 2008.09.22 23:55:00 -
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As far as I know its primarily pod pilots who have clones since the technology to scan their brain before they get blown up is in the pod. Unless he was going to walk around in a pod all day its likely he'd be permanantly killed quite easily,
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Posted - 2008.09.23 00:06:00 -
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The pod takes a snapshot of your brain and sends it to the cloning vats in case of emergencies (as in, being pod killed)
No pod, no way to save your brain, no clones.
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Taedrin
Gallente
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.23 00:20:00 -
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Also, the technology for scanning your brain doesn't work quite right when it's not used in a pod. IIRC, at times it will fail to recognize the need to scan the brain, and at other times it will spontaneously scan the brain, a process which kills the person being scanned, by the way, as the scanning process is quite... intrusive...
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.09.23 03:00:00 -
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There is also the small matter of the lethal injection into the pod-pilot's head to complete the cloning process 
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Marlakh
Minmatar
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.09.23 05:26:00 -
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This begs a philosophical question: is the consciousness of the pilot truly transferred to the new clone upon death, or is another copy simply created, but there is no transfer of the "self" awareness?
Hmmm...
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LordSwift
INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE
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Posted - 2008.09.23 08:01:00 -
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Good point, we are only shadows of our former selves. I wonder, is there a point where we cannot be cloned any more? Obviously not in game. From what i have read in the fiction, there does come a time when we cant be cloned.
Also anyone who has read The Empyrean Age book, who took over jamyl Sarum?
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Fenren
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.23 08:47:00 -
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 Originally by: LordSwift
Good point, we are only shadows of our former selves. I wonder, is there a point where we cannot be cloned any more? Obviously not in game. From what i have read in the fiction, there does come a time when we cant be cloned.
ask the jove
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LordSwift
INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE
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Posted - 2008.09.23 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Fenren
Originally by: LordSwift
Good point, we are only shadows of our former selves. I wonder, is there a point where we cannot be cloned any more? Obviously not in game. From what i have read in the fiction, there does come a time when we cant be cloned.
ask the jove
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Saietor Blackgreen
The First Foundation
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Posted - 2008.09.23 09:44:00 -
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Erm. How you can transfer exact replica of human conscience (if you can) without transferring self-awarenes? They are undivisible by definition, no?
AFAIR from backstory, the original is always destroyed to avoid complications. Brain scan process damages it severly, but does not necessarilty destroy the brain completely, or causes death. So if original is not destroyed for sure, you may one day find a ******ed, drooling twin of yours that was saved from its drifting pod during salvage operations :)
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.09.23 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 23/09/2008 12:03:23
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
There is also the small matter of the lethal injection into the pod-pilot's head to complete the cloning process
According to the chronicles and ingame thatÆs no longer the case. Jump Clones donÆt use lethal injection into the pod-pilot's head to complete the cloning process. That and the chronicles have people making clones outside a pod without dying in the process.
According to the lore cloneing tech has got better over the years and you can make a copy of the mind, continue your life then when you die the copy is activated. Only you lose all memories since the copy.
Its pretty unbelievable second most powerful man in the entire nation doesnÆt have a clone backup. Then again a lot of the recent news is really silly. Whoever is writing it needs training on the background lore and scale of Eve. http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2338&tid=4 is a prime explain. It talks about widespread industrial reorganization undertaken by HethÆs government then goes on to say 30,000 people which at a very rough estimate is 0.00001% of the population of 1 planet. Yet alone an empire that makes it something like 0.00000001%. The whole scale seems messed up. Surly a training program across the empire would at the very least be talking about 100,000Æs at a minimum.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.09.23 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 23/09/2008 12:05:51
Originally by: Saietor Blackgreen
AFAIR from backstory, the original is always destroyed to avoid complications. Brain scan process damages it severly, but does not necessarilty destroy the brain completely, or causes death. So if original is not destroyed for sure, you may one day find a ******ed, drooling twin of yours that was saved from its drifting pod during salvage operations :)
Since Jump clones this has not been true. The chronicles back it up. There are even case's of people useing more then once clone active at once.
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Tharukan Desm'ar
Gallente
The Ninth Circle
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.23 12:04:00 -
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To the op. Read the empyrean age novel. It really fills the in the blanks with the caldari COO's death and is a good sci fi read. Also having his clones located on and being in the same station that got rammed by the nyx taking out your primary clone bay doesn't help matters.
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DudTrap
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.09.23 12:23:00 -
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whs ^^^
clone was stored in station that got destroyed :P
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Cooke
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.23 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tharukan Desm'ar
To the op. Read the empyrean age novel. It really fills the in the blanks with the caldari COO's death and is a good sci fi read. Also having his clones located on and being in the same station that got rammed by the nyx taking out your primary clone bay doesn't help matters.
I will be sure to get a copy as soon as tim eallowes me to.
Thank you for all for the information. the idea of you pod beign the ticket to immortality makes a fair amount of sense. I remember reading at some point that there is some mutation or X factor that makes someone able to be a pod pilot, so that would maby also plays a role. (vague memory..I visit the clone vats a fair amount)
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Shinzann
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.24 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tharukan Desm'ar
To the op. Read the empyrean age novel. It really fills the in the blanks with the caldari COO's death and is a good sci fi read. Also having his clones located on and being in the same station that got rammed by the nyx taking out your primary clone bay doesn't help matters.
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Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.09.24 01:13:00 -
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Even with maxed out access to Project G@ylord the number of clones you can have has a maximum number for whatever reason. My take is that he was going someplace he didn't have a clone installed at, simple as that.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2008.09.24 02:36:00 -
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Remember also that some people die on the operating table trying to become pod pilots and get ready for cloning.
Others suffer the permanent paralysis talked about in the short story on the caldari gaining pod technology.
With possible death as a barrier to entry, there are real reasons even a CEO might think twice about wanting to have a clone, at least until very late in life.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Saietor Blackgreen
Erm. How you can transfer exact replica of human conscience (if you can) without transferring self-awarenes? They are undivisible by definition, no?
Transferring and copying are not the same thing. If you copy one and kill the original the original is still dead, regardless of the fact there is now another one that thinks its the original.
I assume that was the question you were responding to. This same thing comes up when we talk about 'transferring' ourselves into computer brains. You could maybe download your conciousness, but YOU RIGHT NOW would remain in your boring old organic body. And if you died after doing this, while your mind would still exist in the world, but it would not be YOU. YOU would still go to wherever we go when we die.
Looks like we are trapped inside our mortal bodies after all. Therese no escape. No matter how advanced we get ^___^
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.09.24 06:34:00 -
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Synapse Archae said "Others suffer the permanent paralysis talked about in the short story on the caldari gaining pod technology.
With possible death as a barrier to entry, there are real reasons even a CEO might think twice about wanting to have a clone, at least until very late in life."
But you don't need to be a pod pilot to get cloned, you don't need to get killed to be cloned. You're at no risk of permanent paralysis from cloning as that's a risk for pod pilots. There is zero reason for the rich and powerful to not have clone backups. Even movie stars have clones, so why wouldnt the top ranking govement people have clones?
Tharukan Desm'ar said "To the op. Read the empyrean age novel. It really fills the in the blanks with the caldari COO's death and is a good sci fi read. Also having his clones located on and being in the same station that got rammed by the nyx taking out your primary clone bay doesn't help matters."
The OP isnt talking about the death in the Empyrean Age novel or the starbase getting rammed by the Nyx. He is talking about the COO that died this week.
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Tharukan Desm'ar
Gallente
The Ninth Circle
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:20:00 -
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Ah my bad. thanks for the info.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lily Sarman
As far as I know its primarily pod pilots who have clones since the technology to scan their brain before they get blown up is in the pod. Unless he was going to walk around in a pod all day its likely he'd be permanantly killed quite easily,
the hardware is in the pod and only a tiny percentage of people can handle the hardware implants to use pods successfully. other wise there would be pods available to the public to make brain scans at regular intervals. this does not appear to be the case according to the stories.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Marlakh
This begs a philosophical question: is the consciousness of the pilot truly transferred to the new clone upon death, or is another copy simply created, but there is no transfer of the "self" awareness?
Hmmm...
This has been debated much. Some people seem to think consciousness and memories are the same thing. I disagree. I think that the way it's done in Eve, where the exact state of every synapse is scanned at one instant, then transferred instantaneously, is basically a complete consciousness transfer, whereas just copying memories and DNA would not be. It would just create another person that looks like you and has your memories.
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