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Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.09.24 00:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Bast''s Cleric on 24/09/2008 00:49:23 -- I, Vanessa Sarum, am 100% Pleased by this news Item Link This is a Great Step Forward for the Empire, and I hope all Loyal Amarr Followers will be Attending and paying tribute to our Empress. LONG LIVE SARUM LONG LIVE AMARR AMARR VICTOR Edit: Added Title and it seemed a Bit Short. Long has grandmother run the Sarum Family, and she has yet to never guide us wrong. I look forward to the Great things that she will bring to the Empire. - Logistics Frigates
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.09.24 00:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Bast''s Cleric on 24/09/2008 00:49:23 -- I, Vanessa Sarum, am 100% Pleased by this news Item Link This is a Great Step Forward for the Empire, and I hope all Loyal Amarr Followers will be Attending and paying tribute to our Empress. LONG LIVE SARUM LONG LIVE AMARR AMARR VICTOR Edit: Added Title and it seemed a Bit Short. Long has grandmother run the Sarum Family, and she has yet to never guide us wrong. I look forward to the Great things that she will bring to the Empire. - Logistics Frigates
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.24 01:16:00 - [3] Inara looks up from a stack of paperwork at her desk Finally. Maybe with a woman running things, they will get something done. shrugs Not that it matters, I don't picture the long arm of the Empire reaching my front door anytime soon.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.24 01:40:00 - [4] (ooc: from the other thread locked by Mitnal) Originally by: A Sporific I would like to know specifically where and when this is happening. This is a truly momentus occasion, and I would like to watch. There are only so many events like this that will occur in this lifetime, after all. Inara chuckles slightly You are immortal... surely you don't think the Empress will outlive you? Age and the effects of time on your body are irrelevant now.
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr Farlight Council	Posted - 2008.09.24 02:02:00 - [5] Long live Jamyl Sarum. While, I myself, sought the position of the throne, it is good a fellow woman now sits upon it. Perhaps now, we can reclaim those systems which have been lost, bringing them back into the fold of the Empire.
Esna Pitoojee Amarr The Arrow Project	Posted - 2008.09.24 02:25:00 - [6] I am keenly interested in what kind of actions the Jamyl may take at her coronation ceremony (or directly following it). Since she has only recently reappeared and has not spoken publicly about her dissapearance and return, we know absoloutly nothing about what she may have seen, done, or undergone in her seeming self-imposed exile... and thus nothing about her style of rule. Any action during or after the coronation ceremony will be the sign we have of her ruling style. ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Wiplynda Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.09.24 02:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Bast's Cleric ... and she has yet to never guide us wrong. I look forward to the Great things that she will bring to the Empire. Agreed. There are many misguided and wrong policies she may wish to correct.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.24 02:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Esna Pitoojee I am keenly interested in what kind of actions the Jamyl may take at her coronation ceremony (or directly following it). Since she has only recently reappeared and has not spoken publicly about her dissapearance and return, we know absoloutly nothing about what she may have seen, done, or undergone in her seeming self-imposed exile... and thus nothing about her style of rule. Any action during or after the coronation ceremony will be the sign we have of her ruling style. It's simple. She will just reveal that she went into exile to learn the right ways to rule an Empire. This is of course the Sani Sabik ideology: Power, War, Reclaiming. Style of rule? Jamyl was always by sheeding blood first and asking questions later. Perfect ruler if she still embraces her warlike nature. Next, she just needs to abolish the pax amarr and declare the apocrypha the leading guide to the coming Empire under her rulership.
Gared Lameti Amarr Tardigen Family	Posted - 2008.09.24 03:29:00 - [9] LONG LIVE SARUM LONG LIVE AMARR AMARR VICTOR
Shern Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.09.24 05:49:00 - [10] I pray that that Lady Sarum will be a wise and just ruler.

Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.24 08:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Inara Subaka Inara chuckles slightly You are immortal... surely you don't think the Empress will outlive you? Age and the effects of time on your body are irrelevant now. Considering that Pod pilots are not immortal per se (We're copied in most cases if we die inside the pod. If you're killed outside it you're just as dead as anyone) and that "Empress" Jamyl Sarum should already be dead... Then who knows except God? As for the issue itself. It's obvious that the Theology council and Heirs themselves have become corrupted in their eagerness to bow to Jamyl Sarum and her titandestroyer. Their complete disregard for tradition and scripture is disconcerting to say the least. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
Arna Padrona Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.09.24 08:59:00 - [12] I pray the Empress will follow in the footsteps of Heideran VII, and continue to bring the empire forward in the galaxy through peaceful means and social reforms. I also pray she has body guards, as Emperors that deviate from certain standards have an unfortunate tendency to wind up dead.
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.09.24 09:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Inara Subaka Inara chuckles slightly You are immortal... surely you don't think the Empress will outlive you? Age and the effects of time on your body are irrelevant now. Considering that Pod pilots are not immortal per se (We're copied in most cases if we die inside the pod. If you're killed outside it you're just as dead as anyone) and that "Empress" Jamyl Sarum should already be dead... Then who knows except God? As for the issue itself. It's obvious that the Theology council and Heirs themselves have become corrupted in their eagerness to bow to Jamyl Sarum and her titandestroyer. Their complete disregard for tradition and scripture is disconcerting to say the least. If you have read the Empyrean Age Book you will know that Jamyl Sarum is a POD pilot also. She survived the trials because she was cloned. Few other reasons as well but i say any more. "Spoilers"
Kimochi Rendar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.24 10:10:00 - [14] You know... It takes a lot to instill a sense of patriotism in me. But I... I like Jamyl Sarum. She's a good strong leader who favours decicive action over the pointless political backstabbing and juvanile ego massages that the other heirs display constantly. If the Empire is to ever become something great again, then Sarum is the woman who will do it. Besides, anyone at the top is preferable to Chamberlain Karsoth...
Kretin Arnon Amarr Path of the Immortals	Posted - 2008.09.24 13:00:00 - [15] I think you might be a bit too optimistic about Witch Queens attitude towards Sani Sabik supporters and our cause. According to good contacts within the raider covenant, they are not pleased at all and are mobilizing forces at a scale not seen before. The purpose of this mobilization is still in the mist though, some say it is defensive measures while others claim an offense against the Empire is coming shortly. Other, more quiet voices, are speculating more sinister reasons. As always I will stay out of sight but in touch, working my little magic. +--------------------------+ For now I sleep and watch
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.24 13:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Kretin Arnon Edited by: Kretin Arnon on 24/09/2008 13:17:33 I think you might be a bit too optimistic about Witch Queens attitude towards Sani Sabik supporters and our cause, miss. Neferis. According to good contacts within the raider covenant, they are not pleased at all and are mobilizing forces at a scale not seen before. The purpose of this mobilization is still in the mist though, some say it is defensive measures while others claim an offense against the Empire is coming shortly. Other, more quiet voices, are speculating more sinister reasons. As always I will stay out of sight but in touch, working my little magic. Mmmmmm * Revan adjusts her sunglasses poundering over the communication of a fellow Sani Sabik * Optimistic... Maybe.. maybe Mr. Arnon. After seeing the Golden Empire falling in Chaos with the past weak and disgusting rulers, I won't tell you that I don't feel a little excited about Jamyl assuming the throne. Make no mistake: I'm a true Amarr and a Sani Sabik. To me, The Sani Sabik Ideology of Power, Wars and Reclaiming is all that a true Amarr should be. We are a race unique and conquerors. But no... we watched day after day the infidels being forgiven, the sub-races crawling within our Empire contaminating each corner of it. Poverty and pity justified by an invented God that is not our God. We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. And what about our past rulers? Is a God to live in a dog? No! but the highest are of us. Beauty and strength, force and fire, are of us. Jamyl be wise to learn with the chaos and embrace the true nature of the Amarr: The Sani Sabik. May she prove herself a weakling like all others. We will be ready.
Wesley Petraeus	Posted - 2008.09.25 00:25:00 - [17] The Amarrian Empire will soon be ruled by a hawkish Empress determined to restart the Reclaiming. This is alarming for all to say the least, even if the Caldari State is an ally to the Amarrians.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.25 00:26:00 - [18] We will see, the Empire certainly needs an Emperor or Empress... but this is all highly irregular and deeply wrong. When the Empire forgets its traditions and laws, and what was written in the Scriptures, it becomes weaker, and a bit less connected to God. We lose ourselves. No, we need a guide, but this is not the way. We will, of course, obey, but this is still wrong. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.25 01:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Kimochi Rendar You know... It takes a lot to instill a sense of patriotism in me. But I... I like Jamyl Sarum. She's a good strong leader who favours decicive action over the pointless political backstabbing and juvanile ego massages that the other heirs display constantly. If the Empire is to ever become something great again, then Sarum is the woman who will do it. Besides, anyone at the top is preferable to Chamberlain Karsoth... Quite.
Drakonus Laerdon Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.25 02:02:00 - [20] Let me remind every loyal Amarrian here that it is NOT our place to question our leaders in public. If Lady Sarum is to be crowned Emperor (Empress in this case), then that is the Will of God. What happens afterward, for good or for ill, is ALSO the Will of God. We must be patient, perhaps very patient, to see what God has planned for us through this event. In the end, God's Will shall be revealed to us, if we bide our time and listen. --------------- Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed nomini tuo da gloriam.

Cruzius Amarr Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.09.25 02:48:00 - [21] First of all, even if I¦m born in the Kingdom I am and will always be loyal to the Empire. It¦s a good Sign that Jamyl Sarum is coronated to Empress. The last few Months haven¦t been the proudest of our beloved Empire. We need the strength, the will and the ruthlessness she displayed in battle when she, and not the regular golden fleet defended us against those terrorists. We have to end their constant attacks on our borders once and for all... I¦m absolutely convinced that with Lady Sarum as leader the Amarrians will once again claim their rightful place among the stars. AMARR VICTOR
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.09.25 03:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon Let me remind every loyal Amarrian here that it is NOT our place to question our leaders in public. If Lady Sarum is to be crowned Emperor (Empress in this case), then that is the Will of God. What happens afterward, for good or for ill, is ALSO the Will of God. We must be patient, perhaps very patient, to see what God has planned for us through this event. In the end, God's Will shall be revealed to us, if we bide our time and listen. Quite agreed. Though I may not agree with the means and ways of her ascension to the throne, she is our Empress. Pointless ranting and displays of inappropriate behavior in respect to Her Majesty would accomplish nothing and would be of great detriment to the Empire as a whole. Thankfully, non-"podders" dont have access to the IGS. I myself will cautiously await her speech and make my judgements and conclusions after we see what she does. May God grant you Wisdom, Pilots.
Arelius Sarum Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 06:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon Let me remind every loyal Amarrian here that it is NOT our place to question our leaders in public. If Lady Sarum is to be crowned Emperor (Empress in this case), then that is the Will of God. What happens afterward, for good or for ill, is ALSO the Will of God. We must be patient, perhaps very patient, to see what God has planned for us through this event. In the end, God's Will shall be revealed to us, if we bide our time and listen. Jamyl was missing for several years, and was supposed to be dead. When she came back, she brought with her a mysterious weapon unknown to mankind, as well as a small personal fleet. The weapon was so powerful that it obliterated an entire Tribal armada, something even the Imperial Navy could not accompolish in days let alone minutes. It sounds a tad bit unholy to me. Suddenly she has the support of the entire Theology Council as well as the Imperial heirs. Now that she is given the position of Empress without going through the traditional trials, I find it suspcious. I will, however, respect and obey the decision from the Council, but I do not agree with it. Per Ardua ad Astra - Through Adversity, to the Stars
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.25 07:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon In the end, God's Will shall be revealed to us, if we bide our time and listen. Some of us are more attuned to God's will than others, it seems.
Aluka 7th Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.25 08:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Aluka 7th on 25/09/2008 08:41:06 Does anyone know when (EVE time) will coronation take place and where (Systems, beacons..)?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.25 15:52:00 - [26] Well what the bloody hell else would she be coronated? Empress Fatal? Empress Rabbit, perhaps? Ooh, ooh, I've got one, Empress Foiritan! ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.25 16:16:00 - [27] There is one Emperor before that had to be murdered by a man who was maid Saint precisely for that murder, never forget the Saint Tetrimon and the Mad Emperor story. For those who sepparate themselves from tradition and law too much are on the wrong path. And also remember that, until friday, she is not yet our Empress. From friday on obedience will be in place. But only then. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:25:00 - [28] How quaint the fact the Protectors of Sarum Family have now been set Kos by CVA on the eve of the empress been crowned. Loyal CVA what are you motives? Do you For-see a black day coming now the true empress will be crowned,Many days of dark nite's wating for her lordship to return from the depts of darkness, And now she returns you dare to Kos the protectors of the True Amarr throne??? The Kador Days of ruler ship are over. Step aside your days have been weighed and numbered and now you fear the present day, for she has bought back a weapon of which you fear. CVA your mistakes will not be taken lightly on this night. Long Live Sarum Long Live Amarr All heretics will burn under the banner of none believer's
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Pharaik Loyal CVA what are you motives? This has been explained in private diplomatic channels, but it boils down to preventing actions tatamount to piracy and extortion within low security Empire systems. I'm sure you'll be just as receptive to this explanation in a public setting as you were in private. This was a conflict long in coming.
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:37:00 - [30] May that be the day my prayers gets answered. May that be the day the Reclaiming starts sweeping trough the stars again... Originally by: Pharaik ...the Protectors of Sarum Family... Now who would that be? ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Pharaik Loyal CVA what are you motives? This has been explained in private diplomatic channels, but it boils down to preventing actions tatamount to piracy and extortion within low security Empire systems. I'm sure you'll be just as receptive to this explanation in a public setting as you were in private. This was a conflict long in coming. Piracy and Extortion???? i think not dear gerreck. Our Kos list does not match yours name for name, But as stated before we will only take down those who threaten the empress and her home system. If you a true amarrian cannot see this as a just act you are no more than a Minmatar s****in my eye's. Your words will do nothing for you. You have been weighed and you will be chopped at the shins to kneel before your true Empress. You too will burn and feel the true power which will be layed before you in the parchment which will be signed tomorro night.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:47:00 - [32] Edited by: Garreck on 25/09/2008 20:48:45 Originally by: Pharaik as stated before we will only take down those who threaten the empress and her home system. Apparently mining in Zanka, selling items from Zanka without permission, and not responding to those specific demands in local channels constitutes a threat to the Empress? Fair play. CVA considers those actions a threat to good order and discipline within the Empire. CVA considers those actions nothing short of extortion. And so we have a conflict of interest, and standings adjusted accordingly. Do not bring Her Holiness into this. You threw around the name of CVA in your bullying attempts, until CVA caught wind of it. Now you use another name to legitimize your actions. Disgusting.
Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:59:00 - [33] Edited by: Pharaik on 25/09/2008 21:02:59 Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 25/09/2008 20:48:45 Originally by: Pharaik as stated before we will only take down those who threaten the empress and her home system. Apparently mining in Zanka, selling items from Zanka without permission, and not responding to those specific demands in local channels constitutes a threat to the Empress? Fair play. CVA considers those actions a threat to good order and discipline within the Empire. CVA considers those actions nothing short of extortion. And so we have a conflict of interest, and standings adjusted accordingly. Do not bring Her Holiness into this. You threw around the name of CVA in your bullying attempts, until CVA caught wind of it. Now you use another name to legitimize your actions. Disgusting. Her empress's wishes are to those who serve her. It is our duty to uphold them Gallente!!. You are not of amarr blood how dare you step up and even consider to read us our rights to a system to which we protect by the skin of our teeth. The name of CVA was used as attempts to put fear into enemy's that dare to apeal against us. No longer will the name CVA be used in conversation, such act of heresy will only lead to execution. Day's past, have CVA gone back on there word to suit when they are in grave danger of been overrun and cannot bare the grim face of defeat. For 3 yrs we have held the MOFA constallation without Fear or Demise, But you who take such pride in saying you are true loyalist of the empress/holyness dare to change your faith in times of need.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Pharaik You are not of amarr blood how dare you step up and even consider to read us our rights When my Lord Aralis unleashes me, the blood in my eyes, not in my veins, is what you should concern yourself with. Be well, Pharaik. What is done is done.
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Pharaik Day's past, have CVA gone back on there word to suit when they are in grave danger of been overrun and cannot bare the grim face of defeat. For 3 yrs we have held the MOFA constallation without Fear or Demise, But you who take such pride in saying you are true loyalist of the empress/holyness dare to change your faith in times of need. we are loyals of the empire, you are nothing Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Pharaik on 25/09/2008 21:17:02 Edited by: Pharaik on 25/09/2008 21:15:17 Edited by: Pharaik on 25/09/2008 21:14:36 I wish you well in the forthcoming battles, but only we will be left standing at the end of the day. Your number means nothing to us, For we have pride and honour to which we will uphold till the last man. After fighting along side CVA we know your numbers and you leaking weaknesses that pour thro the gaps of the ranks to which you pride your self on. Bring all you can muster, but do remeber this "our enemys enemy is our friend". For you have the Citadel we have the rest of Amarr.
R3DSKULL Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:22:00 - [37] 'I Give you the destiny Of Faith, And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which i have given.' - Book of Reclaiming 22:13, The Scriptures The heretics of CVA should read the scriptures instead of attempting to write there own. We stand for what is holy in this empire, we have always and will always serve it, We will be as Sarum, belligerant and willing to take up arms. If you question the empress, your times of service to the empire will come to an end and you will be recognised for the heritcs you are. The days of CVA and its self serving intrests are coming to an end.Your lord aralis who will not even listen to the voices of his own amarrians who speak against this, hostility tword a loyal Sarum family but you refuse to listen to what is holy and serve only your own intrests. Your greed, and your selfish ways, no longer suit this empire. And you call us pirates and extortionists. HA, Lest not speak of what ive seen from CVA's activities. We serve honorably and with nobility her royal house Sarum. WE always have done. For someone with such claims, Would you accuse the same of those from Pie, who live where we dwell. What next you accuse another house sarum corp there statments be false? "if every constellation had such excellent protectors, the empire would be safe at all times" -- Vaarun, pie inc Seems you are off the holy path and your heresy, And your self serving ways will no longer suit the needs of this empire. Your lords should be brought before her holy majesty for your insurrection against the amarrian people. =CCCP=Royal Sefrim R3DSKULL Woe Be the Evildoers!! Justice may be impartial, but rightousness is deeply personal. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Pharaik Edited by: Pharaik on 25/09/2008 21:17:02 Edited by: Pharaik on 25/09/2008 21:15:17 Edited by: Pharaik on 25/09/2008 21:14:36 I wish you well in the forthcoming battles, but only we will be left standing at the end of the day. Your number means nothing to us, For we have pride and honour to which we will uphold till the last man. After fighting along side CVA we know your numbers and you leaking weaknesses that pour thro the gaps of the ranks to which you pride your self on. Bring all you can muster, but do remeber this "our enemys enemy is our friend". For you have the Citadel we have the rest of Amarr. big words i am sure you will back up in your wet dreams. you are nothing! dixit Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:28:00 - [39] Wet dreams, no sir. For i do not get pleasure dreaming of such victories, only achieving them. As an ex member of PIE i though you would have been more weary to whom you insult. Your childish remarks only point towards your maturity when it counts. I bid you a good night, and only in your dreams will you be wet....... Wet with fear of embarrasment and exile.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Sepherim There is one Emperor before that had to be murdered by a man who was maid Saint precisely for that murder, never forget the Saint Tetrimon and the Mad Emperor story. For those who sepparate themselves from tradition and law too much are on the wrong path. And also remember that, until friday, she is not yet our Empress. From friday on obedience will be in place. But only then. I'm stunt. Really. New Seminarium open

Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:40:00 - [41] Originally by: R3DSKULL The heretics of CVA should read the scriptures instead of attempting to write there own. Originally by: R3DSKULL Your greed, and your selfish ways, no longer suit this empire. Originally by: R3DSKULL Seems you are off the holy path and your heresy, And your self serving ways will no longer suit the needs of this empire. Originally by: R3DSKULL HA, Lest not speak of what ive seen from CVA's activities. Good point. Speaking of CVA's activities might not be condusive to making a good case for CCCPI. We have here a list of vague accusations with no real substance. Self serving ways? You referrence our selfishness and greed twice, when it is CCCPI who will fire upon neutral vessels for the "crime" of mining or selling items from Zanka. The "crime" of industrial and financial competition. Self serving ways? Who's self-serving here? You have been firing upon vessels for simply ignoring your hails in local channels; this is "holy" and suits the needs of the Empire? CVA's policies in Providence are far more relaxed...and it is space sovereign in our name! Self serving? Goodness gracious. I'll be far more convinced if Her Holiness decries CVA's efforts.
Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:49:00 - [42] Edited by: Pharaik on 25/09/2008 21:49:17 Its funny how protectors of true pirates and theifs can come forth and accuse us of such defence manners. You set pirates Blue who constanly attack citadel members in area's surrounding providence and do nothing. And in the IAC war with -A- you still aid those who attack your memebers at there own will when ever they feel like it. You may clame more space than we wish to hold but your actions and allainces are far from those the empress would see fit. The day will come clear and you will see you are in the wrong and we have done nothing but protect the empresses interests, and is such you should be more concerned about the coming war on your space than to be Kos's an allie of which has been willing to hold up arms everytime you have called. An allie you have lost over a matter of a usless civ, Time will tell if it was worth such a move.
Kathryn Dougans Amarr B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.09.25 21:53:00 - [43] Seems like there will be a delay. How sad.
R3DSKULL Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 22:01:00 - [44] Edited by: R3DSKULL on 25/09/2008 22:02:19 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: R3DSKULL The heretics of CVA should read the scriptures instead of attempting to write there own. Originally by: R3DSKULL Your greed, and your selfish ways, no longer suit this empire. Originally by: R3DSKULL Seems you are off the holy path and your heresy, And your self serving ways will no longer suit the needs of this empire. Originally by: R3DSKULL HA, Lest not speak of what ive seen from CVA's activities. Good point. Speaking of CVA's activities might not be condusive to making a good case for CCCPI. We have here a list of vague accusations with no real substance. Self serving ways? You referrence our selfishness and greed twice, when it is CCCPI who will fire upon neutral vessels for the "crime" of mining or selling items from Zanka. The "crime" of industrial and financial competition. Self serving ways? Who's self-serving here? You have been firing upon vessels for simply ignoring your hails in local channels; this is "holy" and suits the needs of the Empire? CVA's policies in Providence are far more relaxed...and it is space sovereign in our name! Self serving? Goodness gracious. I'll be far more convinced if Her Holiness decries CVA's efforts. Oh i do enjoy the typical liberal gallente posing as an amarr. you attempt round up our royal mandate, to serve the intrests of your lies. Edit it as you like Garreck, yes we do protect zanka, We request people do not conduct certain activities, But then again have you taken the time to ask yerself why? doubtful.As we serve a royal mandate and we have always done for the people of amarr and followed her majesties orders, we do not need to explain ourselves to you. You twist this to suit yer personal agenda. We speak of your sovern space, and your rights, HA! if you fail to notice while your relaxed space,and your relaxed policies, serve as an exuse to use those around you. if you have not noticed Amarr is at war. while you protect your sovern space, Against an enemy you brought in with your support of pirates such as IAC. Funny how the people of providence suffer to that of -A- due to yer alleigences with pirates,falshoods and attempts to promote your so called "diplomacy" which mind you suits only your own agenda. Fail where it will. You let countless pirates slip through and then kill innocents becasue of past activities, and claim, "your not antipirates" its true your not, you fail to recognise the edicts of the scriptures. You protect only the space that serves your intrest not all space. And CCCPi has never killed a nuetral, We operate NRDS have and always will. While countless times ive seen CVA kill nuetrals in there so called "Relaxed sovergn space." The moral of the story,is you turn on your allies to serve your agenda,, becasue We will not bow down to you. your insurrection is at an end. A true empress has been called, and she is not your lord Aralis. So you will serve the will of AMARR and that of Jamyl Sarum,. and recognise the reclaiming, and the war before us as the people of amarr. Against piracy and transgressions. AMARR VICTOR!!! Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 22:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Pharaik You set pirates Blue who constanly attack citadel members in area's surrounding providence and do nothing. And in the IAC war with -A- you still aid those who attack your memebers at there own will when ever they feel like it. You reference the same crime twice here...and you are also aware that in each instance of trigger happy IAC pilots engaging neutrals in Providence, reimbursments were made. Let's get it all out there, though, Pharaik. What else has CVA done that justifies CCCPI's extortionist actions in Zanka?
Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 22:08:00 - [46] Ours acts? of killing ppl who were Kos to us. Nothing cos you needed not to. When you will relise that youe Kos isnt the same as our Kos. Do your self a favour and take a trip over the the bleak lands and push your loyalisy views onto the pirates who reside there, and im sure you will leave with a shit stain in your pants. We hold down the systems we protect kill Kos and help neutrals and blue's and yet you still see our action as unfit. I think it is time you look at the real situation here, but insted you turned a blind eye to a section of Amarr space to which you swore to protect. Again working on your own agenda keep the space you wish to hold and not bother with everywere else.
R3DSKULL Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 22:19:00 - [47] Edited by: R3DSKULL on 25/09/2008 22:24:58 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Pharaik You set pirates Blue who constanly attack citadel members in area's surrounding providence and do nothing. And in the IAC war with -A- you still aid those who attack your memebers at there own will when ever they feel like it. You reference the same crime twice here...and you are also aware that in each instance of trigger happy IAC pilots engaging neutrals in Providence, reimbursments were made. Let's get it all out there, though, Pharaik. What else has CVA done that justifies CCCPI's extortionist actions in Zanka? You like to use the word Extortion,, Which is amusing because your accusations assume too much. Claiming we get money for our activities. What more can be said but. that is the farthest from the truth and typical of CVA to reach as such. Grasping for straws to take light away from your own activities. CCCPi has never extorted nor charged money for the assitance of anyone ever, and as for your instances of Iac, being punished in providence. Seems you flit back and forth from your rules in amarr space. How about all the times you have done nothing for them killing in lower domain. Oh wait, thats not CVA space. So then why are we here talking about the laws you claim to enforce. Oh right that service of your own intrests again! And we speak of your justice. which lets pirates pirate while you ask for proof in a world filled with deciet. When you dont seek proof you seek cause to serve your own intrests. CVA should look to protect its space and stop claiming its position as part of the empire. you lost yer way long ago. You are not a part of the amarr empire. And the CVA empire should stay in CVA space. While you still have it, Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.25 22:30:00 - [48] Interrupting the discussion to ask a question: Who is Jamyl? How did she die?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 23:20:00 - [49] Originally by: Pharaik Do your self a favour and take a trip over the the bleak lands and push your loyalisy views onto the pirates who reside there, and im sure you will leave with a shit stain in your pants. Pirates in the Bleaklands are definitely good for combat readiness drills, yes. That you're unaware of regular CVA mastery (and the history of many CVA organizations and pilots) in that region puts into perspective your lack of qualification to speak much about CVA's actions and intentions at all. Redskull, you're losing coherence. You've been threatening for some time to make the tensions between our organizations public. Your man Pharaik has derailed this discussion about the coming corronation that has been eagerly anticipated by so many for so long...you're gonna have to do better than vague accusations (the same we've seen from many discontents who have historically fallen from the path). I'm not going to sit here and repeat the same clarifications for the same misguided and generally incoherent accusations. You have been set red by CVA. Pull yourself together and carry on.
R3DSKULL Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.25 23:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Pharaik Do your self a favour and take a trip over the the bleak lands and push your loyalisy views onto the pirates who reside there, and im sure you will leave with a shit stain in your pants. Pirates in the Bleaklands are definitely good for combat readiness drills, yes. That you're unaware of regular CVA mastery (and the history of many CVA organizations and pilots) in that region puts into perspective your lack of qualification to speak much about CVA's actions and intentions at all. Redskull, you're losing coherence. You've been threatening for some time to make the tensions between our organizations public. Your man Pharaik has derailed this discussion about the coming corronation that has been eagerly anticipated by so many for so long...you're gonna have to do better than vague accusations (the same we've seen from many discontents who have historically fallen from the path). I'm not going to sit here and repeat the same clarifications for the same misguided and generally incoherent accusations. You have been set red by CVA. Pull yourself together and carry on. Atleast one thing of your mastery is clear, That the only thing that superscedes your arrogance is your heresy. and ive defintly not lost coherance, and im quite aware of your organizations history and your intentions. As CCCPi not only worked along side your organisation, for years we were infact CVA. and it is good to see your admitting you are discontent and falling from the path, because that has become very clear. And The chaimberlain has rightfully posponed the coronation. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal

Arelius Sarum Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.25 23:43:00 - [51] Jamyl Sarum's coronation will be delayed until next week, according to news sources. There are something strange occuring within the Empire, and the people are being left out of the loop, even the Holders. Per Ardua ad Astra - Through Adversity, to the Stars
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.25 23:57:00 - [52] Originally by: Khan Rodak I'm stunned. Really. I can understand that, my friend. But I've asked too many Questions in these days since the reapearance of Lady Sarum, and they all have met the void of silence. And now it seems like some Speakers of Truth have dissapeared, and other bad signs. I'm not saying she is the one who is behind it all, of course, I'm just saying that I retain my will to be critic and search for the truth until the moment God confirms her as His Chosen. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Trind2222 Amarr The Red Ring	Posted - 2008.09.26 00:30:00 - [53] I am afraid for Khanid state future we have supported amarr more than any once. But I think if any thing surprising will happen we are ready to act. So lets hope for best will come out of this. Will amarr empress support kahnid state in future is the question? ____________ Wrangler comes back out wearing his wizard hat and robe Wrangler: Hail and well met from Blizzard, how might I assist you?
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.09.26 00:54:00 - [54] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Interrupting the discussion to ask a question: Who is Jamyl? How did she die? Lady Jamyl Sarum, Holder and Royal Heir of House Sarum. Empress-Designate of the Amarr Empire. She was supposed to commit Shathol-Syn (ritual suicide) during the last coronation ceremony for Emperor Doriam. She appeared at that time to complete the ceremony, though there was a disturbance at that ceremony. It appears that the suicide was either faked, or God has brought her back in the Empire's time of need. I myself... reserve judgement. Originally by: Sepherim I can understand that, my friend. But I've asked too many Questions in these days since the reapearance of Lady Sarum, and they all have met the void of silence. And now it seems like some Speakers of Truth have dissapeared, and other bad signs. I'm not saying she is the one who is behind it all, of course, I'm just saying that I retain my will to be critic and search for the truth until the moment God confirms her as His Chosen. Indeed. I myself am... uneasy with recent events. The actions of the Heirs and the Theology Council are not ... traditional. I know that sounds foolish, but it still makes me... uneasy. Strange things are happening these days, my friends, and it would behoove us all to pay attention to them. May God grant you Wisdom, Pilots.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 01:26:00 - [55] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 26/09/2008 01:31:04 Originally by: Sepherim I've asked too many Questions in these days since the reapearance of Lady Sarum, and they all have met the void of silence. As it should. Since when the Empress to be needs to come here to waste her time answering questions? She does as she pleases and speaks when she pleases. Signs of a good leader. Originally by: Sepherim And now it seems like some Speakers of Truth have dissapeared, and other bad signs. * Revan smiles amused * Tell me that Brother Joshua was one of those who vanished under the carpet with Lady Sarum return? She is cleansing the house you fools. Originally by: Sepherim I'm not saying she is the one who is behind it all, of course, I'm just saying that I retain my will to be critic and search for the truth until the moment God confirms her as His Chosen. Believe what you wish. With Lady Sarum assuming the throne I feel that many things will change at the Empire. There is something about her that feels very right. Whatever she did, wherever she went to learn all those years, seem to me that the experience have made her embrace a nature that many aren't expecting. Amusing times.
Arelius Sarum Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.26 01:58:00 - [56] Originally by: Revan Neferis As it should. Since when the Empress to be needs to come here to waste her time answering questions? She does as she pleases and speaks when she pleases. Signs of a good leader. To me, doing whatever she pleases is a sign of tyranny and lack of accountability. Zaragram II did whatever he wanted while he was on the throne, and he was a fool that brought nothing but misery to Amarr. Jamyl owes the Empire an explanation and it is the least she could do. Quote: * Revan smiles amused * Tell me that Brother Joshua was one of those who vanished under the carpet with Lady Sarum return? She is cleansing the house you fools. Arbitrarily cleaning her political opponents and clearing the path to the throne seems like a more logical answer. If a crime has been committed by a member of Speakers of Truth, then it should be brought public to the Theology Council and dealt with in public. Jamyl has no authority to act arbitrarily, especially when she has not yet been coronated. Quote: Believe what you wish. With Lady Sarum assuming the throne I feel that many things will change at the Empire. There is something about her that feels very right. Whatever she did, wherever she went to learn all those years, seem to me that the experience have made her embrace a nature that many aren't expecting. Amusing times. A person supposed to be dead returns 5 years later, with a mysterious weapon and a fleet. Along with her return, the former Chamberlain disappaeared as well as several Speakers of Truth. I smell some conpiracy brewing from behind the scenes, and the source is directly from Jamyl. Per Ardua ad Astra - Through Adversity, to the Stars
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.26 02:31:00 - [57] A manu dei e tet rimon.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 02:45:00 - [58] Originally by: Arelius Sarum Jamyl owes the Empire an explanation and it is the least she could do. Oh please Mr Aurelius... the only explanation Jamyl needed to give, it was given by teh extermination of a whole armada and her return assuming such power without contestation. This is te power of Amarr: What you want, you take. What you take, you keep. An old Sani Sabik precept that every true Amarr should remember and follow. Jamy is just putting this precept into practical. Originally by: Arelius Sarum Arbitrarily cleaning her political opponents and clearing the path to the throne seems like a more logical answer. If a crime has been committed by a member of Speakers of Truth, then it should be brought public to the Theology Council and dealt with in public. Jamyl has no authority to act arbitrarily, especially when she has not yet been coronated. What matters the ways when the focus is the result? And who will judge Jamyl Sarum if not ... Empress Jamyl? Whatever the thruth is, she has been brilliant on doing it. Originally by: Arelius Sarum A person supposed to be dead returns 5 years later, with a mysterious weapon and a fleet. Along with her return, the former Chamberlain disappaeared as well as several Speakers of Truth. I smell some conpiracy brewing from behind the scenes, and the source is directly from Jamyl. May your words be proven true and Jamyl be the Empress that Amarr always needed.
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.26 06:37:00 - [59] Originally by: Pharaik Wet dreams, no sir. For i do not get pleasure dreaming of such victories, only achieving them. As an ex member of PIE i though you would have been more weary to whom you insult. Your childish remarks only point towards your maturity when it counts. I bid you a good night, and only in your dreams will you be wet....... Wet with fear of embarrasment and exile. i have been a faithful servant of God and the Empire all my life, i have fought in battles you might have heard of in the academy. Maybe i am getting a little senile but bigmouthed youngsters like you still do not make me shiver. in the end He will decide who was doing whom wrong and i do not have any doubt it will be me extending my hand to you to help you back up so we can one day be able to embrace as brothers in true faith once more. Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
Arelius Sarum Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.26 07:31:00 - [60] Originally by: Revan Neferis Oh please Mr Aurelius... the only explanation Jamyl needed to give, it was given by teh extermination of a whole armada and her return assuming such power without contestation. This is te power of Amarr: What you want, you take. What you take, you keep. An old Sani Sabik precept that every true Amarr should remember and follow. Jamy is just putting this precept into practical. She needs to explain why she is still alive and where she obtained the weapon from. Quote: What matters the ways when the focus is the result? And who will judge Jamyl Sarum if not ... Empress Jamyl? Whatever the thruth is, she has been brilliant on doing it. The end does not justify the means. Mind you, we have not seen the results and we already have people disappearing. Quote: May your words be proven true and Jamyl be the Empress that Amarr always needed. A shady dictator? Per Ardua ad Astra - Through Adversity, to the Stars

Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.26 08:59:00 - [61] While I find Empire politics rather tedious, I do find your conversation quite... humorous. However, I must clarify a couple of things that I disagree with Pilot Sarum about. Originally by: Arelius Sarum She needs to explain why she is still alive and where she obtained the weapon from. What does it matter? To be honest, she could be in league with the Devil himself, as long as she continues to hold the figurative "biggest stick". There are many ways to avoid death that many would consider miraculous, sheer luck by my best guess, but many would call it Divine Intervention. As for her weapon... I have tried to obtain logs of ships in the area when it was used, that much power... Inara closes her eyes, as if tasting a fine meal Magnificent! Originally by: Arelius Sarum The end does not justify the means. Mind you, we have not seen the results and we already have people disappearing. Has not the Empire done things that are less than honorable to achieve their goals in the past? I find your double standards to be quite amusing; It's okay for previous leaders to have shady dealings, but the soon to be Empress must be "perfect"? And, you are wrong, the ends does justify the means. I remember an old story about a man who became a monster, blood-thirsty, power-mad, he was the worst of the worst... but he did it so his family could live free of the other monsters in the world. While a children's tale, because obviously men cannot physically transform into hideous beasts with claws and fangs, the moral stays the same. My hope is that some day, after she has been crowned, she has a "get together" for all of you who have spoken ill of her and allows you to see first hand the power of the tool she has aboard her Abaddon-class battleship. And maybe on that day, I will be fortunate enough to have a friend nearby to take proper scans so that power can be harnessed within my own circles.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.26 11:37:00 - [62] Originally by: Inara Subaka Has not the Empire done things that are less than honorable to achieve their goals in the past? I find your double standards to be quite amusing; It's okay for previous leaders to have shady dealings, but the soon to be Empress must be "perfect"? When the two most likely options of Jamyl Sarum being still alive are: 1. She faked her suicide, and is thus a coward and a blasphemer as it was both scripture and her duty to the empire to go through with Shathol-Syn. 2. She's a clone. And thus a criminal and blasphemer as the Heirs (and all potential heirs) are not allowed to be tainted by cloning technology. ...that goes beyond "shady". ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.26 12:02:00 - [63] Mr. Delateriel is correct, it is as simple as that. Of course, it can be a "miracle", so all we're saying is that we deserve an explanation. And no, Miss Neferis, I don't pretend her to explain it to a pilot such as myself, but believe me I have spoken with many agents inside both the Heir families and the Theology Council and none of them could or were willing to explain anything. There is a problem there, because it hints directly to the lack of a true miracle, and the existance only of political maneuvering. No canonization process has started, afterall. As for all that defend the "all is appropriate if the means are worthy" approach, I shall remember you that such is a false truth inside the Empire. At least among those of us who still follow the True Faith. There is only one path for us all to follow: God's path. Nothing, and I mean nothing, justifies leaving that path. As for Brother Joshua, I must admit I haven't spoken with him lately, so I can't confirm if he was one of the dissapeared Speakers. But if anyone is taking care of the Speakers of Truth in this manner they are not only breaking the laws of the Amarr, but also our traditions. And shall be punished for it. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 12:46:00 - [64] And the day comes to light when Loyalists conspires against the will of their God, and doubt the rule of the coming Empress. And the day comes to light when they transpire fear and uncertainty, and debate against each other about the legitimacy of their cerimonies and the judgement of their betters. An Empire once united by umbreakable faith, now tears apart in public display. Doubt and fear loyalists! let us all drink from your loss of faith. And may the Empress be watching close to see the effects of years of weakness and false religion has created.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.26 13:35:00 - [65] You are certainly seeing too much in my words, Miss Neferis. Remember the future Empress is not yet Empress, and until next week our eternal loyalty is not under her feet. It will be then, of course, but only then. Until next friday we still have a week to find our own answers. As we always do. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 13:51:00 - [66] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 26/09/2008 13:55:35 Originally by: Sepherim You are certainly seeing too much in my words, Miss Neferis. Remember the future Empress is not yet Empress, and until next week our eternal loyalty is not under her feet. It will be then, of course, but only then. Until next friday we still have a week to find our own answers. As we always do. Ah Keter of the Ordo, I did not mention your words alone. A few days before her Coronation and we can hear screams of loyalists floading the IGS with words such as betrayer, conspirator, false clone, dubious amidst others. I ask you, Keter: Are those words pertinent to the Empress to be? Amarr loyalists demanding her voice as if the Empire is some sort of empty democracy... Certainly Jamyl Sarum is the Empress to be. And the words you have spoken against her, showing the extreme lack of faith won't change their meaning after a few days. It will be marked. And it will remembered.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.26 14:14:00 - [67] Killed many Jove lately, Revan? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.09.26 14:17:00 - [68] clears her throat as the camera feed comes on, showing her in her sparse quarters As one set of my Grandmothers Eyes and ears, and her Occasional speaker, I have this to say about the behavior she has witnessed in this area. With regards to the actions of CCCP INC. They are not, nor have they ever been condoned by grandmother or the Empire. In fact anyone who is willing to go to war on them will receive the full blessings of the Empire. And to the members of Curatores Veritatis Alliance, Please continue the great work you are doing in the Providence region, your long lasting efforts towards the empire are appreciated and will not go unrewarded. Already workers are preparing large claims of land to be provided to your members that prove they are loyal to the empire. Oh and Archbishop, grandmother sends her greetings and wonders when you will next stop by and bring news of your efforts. Reachs forward and cuts the feed to the camera, the picture slowly fading out - Logistics Frigates
Kimochi Rendar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.26 14:26:00 - [69] Originally by: Rodj Blake Killed many Jove lately, Revan? Kimochi stifles a chuckle at that remark. Ahem. Actually I would find it quite amusing if the Empress revealed shortly after coronation that she is infact a follower of the Sani Sabik faith. The irony would be most exquisite.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.26 14:30:00 - [70] Kai patches in to GalNet from the Festival of Life, her third glass of wine in hand. Ya know...she is Sani in her own way, whether she likes it or not! She staggers a little momentarily before shutting the comms off.

Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 14:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Rodj Blake Killed many Jove lately, Revan? All the ones that you have sent my way heretic. Getting short of messengers lately? Originally by: Kimochi Rendar Kimochi stifles a chuckle at that remark. Ahem. Actually I would find it quite amusing if the Empress revealed shortly after coronation that she is infact a follower of the Sani Sabik faith. The irony would be most exquisite. Amen. Hope to Amarr Empire at last!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.26 14:39:00 - [72] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Rodj Blake Killed many Jove lately, Revan? All the ones that you have sent my way heretic. Getting short of messengers lately? I'll take that as a "no" then. You really should get over to Atioth, I'm sure that they're getting bored of waiting for you. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 14:54:00 - [73] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 26/09/2008 14:58:15 Originally by: Rodj Blake You really should get over to Atioth, I'm sure that they're getting bored of waiting for you. Thank you for reminding that the loyalists were not even able to revenge their fallen and hid their tails between their legs. Now let me see, the reason why you are bringing the this topic here can only be a few as you are very predictable: To try to diverge the fact that PIE came here desperate to make loyalists shut their mouths regarding Jamyl and was totaly ignored or To try to bring the fact that Jamyl can be involved with Jovian technology and perhaps even made the revenge herself siding with Sani Sabik. Or are you the one to reveal to the world what Jamyl has been up to all those years... when she retiurns from death and so do I? Worried much? You should and it shows. Of course there is the option of delusion, when a mind cannot grasp the nature of anannouncement and speaks about something totaly different as " Coronation of the Future Empress x Revenge of Atioth " but that would be clinical and I'd hate to think that my most amusing enemy is getting into that path. Now, now heretic... any of the above, the fact remains that trying to disrupt a thread about the Coronation of your Empress speaks lots about your own lack of judgement in the matter. tsk tsk, bad boy, bad boy...
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.26 14:59:00 - [74] Revan, you really do seem to be not very up-to-date with things. Perhaps you should read up on things before opening your mouth? Although now that I think about it, you never allowed your ignorance of a subject to prevent you from claiming to be an expert before, so why start now? Maybe you should read the statement I made after Jamyl's reappearance in order to better understand our stance on this. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 15:05:00 - [75] Originally by: Rodj Blake Revan, you really do seem to be not very up-to-date with things. Ah do enlight me the correlation between Atioth with the Coronation of teh Empress It seems like even after returning to death, I'm more up to date to your delusions than you are about your realities. But that is a known fact of years and years... Now, as a true Amarr Sani Sabik, I will pay my respects to Jamyl and let the communication follow the flow of what it pertains. ( still waiting anxiously of course the Atioth x Coronation comment of yours if you deem to derail the important announcement even further, which is always a sign of loyalism at their best)
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.26 15:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Rodj Blake Revan, you really do seem to be not very up-to-date with things. Ah do enlight me the correlation between Atioth with the Coronation of teh Empress It seems like even after returning to death, I'm more up to date to your delusions than you are about your realities. But that is a known fact of years and years... Now, as a true Amarr Sani Sabik, I will pay my respects to Jamyl and let the communication follow the flow of what it pertains. ( still waiting anxiously of course the Atioth x Coronation comment of yours if you deem to derail the important announcement even further, which is always a sign of loyalism at their best) Do I really need to spell it out for you? I had hoped that you were smart enough to work it out for yourself, but it seems that it is not to be so. The correlation isn't directly between Lady Jamyl and Atioth, but rather between you claiming to be some sort of expert on the matter at hand and your previous claims on other matters - claims which have all invariably turned out to be a pile of old baloney. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 15:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Rodj Blake The correlation isn't directly between Lady Jamyl and Atioth Then you are out of topic and therefore using the announcement of her Coronation to your own personal feuds. What a terrible shame to yet another who call himself loyalist. thanks for clarification on the matter.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.26 15:27:00 - [78] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Rodj Blake The correlation isn't directly between Lady Jamyl and Atioth Then you are out of topic and therefore using the announcement of her Coronation to your own personal feuds. What a terrible shame to yet another who call himself loyalist. thanks for clarification on the matter. Since you're so eager to keep things on topic, perhaps you would answer me this question: When Lady Jamyl is crowned, will you be swearing fealty to the new Empress Jamyl I? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.26 15:36:00 - [79] Quote: With regards to the actions of CCCP INC. They are not, nor have they ever been condoned by grandmother or the Empire. In fact anyone who is willing to go to war on them will receive the full blessings of the Empire. And how would you know that the empress has never contacted us or condoned our actions?? Its simple you would never know. Little peons such as your self are used for the front line cannonfodder work, while proven fighters of Amarr are given real tasks to defend sections of space and removing any heretics in the area. Crawl back into your cruiser and carry on pretending you are needed.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 15:40:00 - [80] Originally by: Rodj Blake Since you're so eager to keep things on topic Of course I am. This is called respect something that Sani Sabik is showing more at this thread then the so called loyalists themselves. But something that eventually you will learn Originally by: Rodj Blake perhaps you would answer me this question: I will answer because it's pertinent to the topic Originally by: Rodj Blake When Lady Jamyl is crowned, will you be swearing fealty to the new Empress Jamyl I? If Jamyl Sarum declares that she has returned to bring back the only Amarr ancient faith, written at The holy Apocrypha containg the parts of the scripture that were removed by pure negligence and corrupt modern politics, yes, I will swear my unconditional support to her. So far, her return has done nothing than to please me. The destruction of teh Armada, the happy " coincidence" of the dissapearance of several members of the false weal Speakers of truth. I have no reasons whatsoever to think that Jamyl isn't back to bring Amarr to it's glory again.

Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.26 15:45:00 - [81] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/09/2008 15:46:18 So in other words, you won't unless she does exactly as you want her too. Which of course would be a self-contradiction. And that is the exact difference between me and you. I'm loyal to the Empire whether I agree with it or not. You are, in the end, only loyal to yourself. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 15:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Rodj Blake So in other words, you won't unless she does exactly as you want her too. Wrong. Unless she does exactly what is needed to do to bring Amarr to Power and glory again. Which of course is what I want her to do as a true Amarr. Originally by: Rodj Blake And that is the exact difference between me and you. I'm loyal to the Empire whether I agree with it or not. You are very right. You would be loyal even if they sit a slave hound at the throne and declare that all loyalists should bark instead of speak. That's the nature pof people who doesn't think. On that we are very different indeed. The very reason why I left the Empire at first place is because I believe that being Ammar is not only bending to whatever circunstance. Being Amarr is feeling as an Amarr and taking pride on conquer, wage wars, power and all that flows within our Blood. I take great pride on saying that: we are extremelly different. Now, this thread isn't about you or me , is it? May Jamyl be a true Amarr not only as an Empress but by blood as well.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.26 16:31:00 - [83] Originally by: Revan Neferis May Jamyl be a true Amarr not only as an Empress but by blood as well. And what would you know about being a true Amarr, traitor? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.26 16:56:00 - [84] Jamyl is a traditionalist where it counts Revan, I wouldn't put much hope in her being a Blood Raider. She'll be flying very different colours if my guess is correct. As for the rest of you, Khanid refused suicide and his line yet lives. God makes our weakness apparent when we are wrong.
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.26 17:13:00 - [85] No idea who that "Revan" gal is but she sure has a big mouth for a fresh academy graduate... Lets just hope that the academy standard will be improved under our new empress. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.26 17:17:00 - [86] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Revan Neferis May Jamyl be a true Amarr not only as an Empress but by blood as well. And what would you know about being a true Amarr, traitor? At least she appears to be interested about this cerimony and polite when speaking about it. From an outsider trying to follow the fact and understand it, you're the one disrespecting your own traditions. If I compare what she speaks against what you speak, it's easy to see that she knows more about being a true Amarr than any of you so desperate to insult her. As far as I can understand, CVA, PIE and CCCP together have been the ones trying to disrupt the good line of communications about what is happening. I find it very strange as to why the loyalists would do such thing. And thank you Aveka for answering my question above.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.26 17:35:00 - [87] Originally by: Blanche Genevre As far as I can understand, CVA, PIE and CCCP together have been the ones trying to disrupt the good line of communications about what is happening. That is certainly not my intention. In order to avoid any further confusion on the matter, I will refrain from posting here except in response to points aimed directly at me. However, I urge you to put Neferis' comments in the context of her previous activities. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 18:07:00 - [88] Originally by: Amira Silvermist fresh academy graduate... Mmmm I'm absolutely sure now that I have done well by upgrading my biomass previous system with a new technology. It seems like the old previous clone versions are presenting memory shortage now. Sad to see such, specially from a pilot that I have taken under my wings on her first days at academy, when she would fly under my fleet with a punisher at Aegis Militia wars against the gallente and Tetrimon reclaiming... * Revan shakes her head * In times when technology advances so fast... human mind fails in perception of their own immortality. Anyway, to the subject: Originally by: Avel Kereka Jamyl is a traditionalist where it counts Revan, I wouldn't put much hope in her being a Blood Raider. I would hate if Jamyl declares herself a Blood raider. As it is well known, the Blood raider sect have their specific ways of interpretation of the Sani Sabik ideology and it's contrary from the Bloodveil sect in many ways. So I hope that you are right in this aspect.
Arelius Sarum Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.26 18:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Inara Subaka While I find Empire politics rather tedious, I do find your conversation quite... humorous. However, I must clarify a couple of things that I disagree with Pilot Sarum about. What does it matter? To be honest, she could be in league with the Devil himself, as long as she continues to hold the figurative "biggest stick". There are many ways to avoid death that many would consider miraculous, sheer luck by my best guess, but many would call it Divine Intervention. As for her weapon... I have tried to obtain logs of ships in the area when it was used, that much power... Inara closes her eyes, as if tasting a fine meal Magnificent! At this point, she has bypassed traditions and laws, seemingly faked her own death and working with some unknown forces. At this rate, she has the potential to be the most tyranical ruler the Empire will have. Quote: Has not the Empire done things that are less than honorable to achieve their goals in the past? I find your double standards to be quite amusing; It's okay for previous leaders to have shady dealings, but the soon to be Empress must be "perfect"? And, you are wrong, the ends does justify the means. I remember an old story about a man who became a monster, blood-thirsty, power-mad, he was the worst of the worst... but he did it so his family could live free of the other monsters in the world. While a children's tale, because obviously men cannot physically transform into hideous beasts with claws and fangs, the moral stays the same. My hope is that some day, after she has been crowned, she has a "get together" for all of you who have spoken ill of her and allows you to see first hand the power of the tool she has aboard her Abaddon-class battleship. And maybe on that day, I will be fortunate enough to have a friend nearby to take proper scans so that power can be harnessed within my own circles. You logic is very amusing. I carry the blame for double standards when the action is done by the state? Perhaps you should put down the Mindflood and learn the actions of a state is attributed to the government and not the individual citizen. And to what end does that serve? Silencing her opponents by arranging their disappearance? This is laughable on so many levels. An Empire without a voice of dissent will become stagnant and tyranical. In the most likely case, Jamyl faked her own death which spells lack of integrity and honesty. I do not wish to be the subject of such person. Perhaps she would make a good businesswoman in Caldari along with the greedy executives, but she is unfit to rule in Amarr. Per Ardua ad Astra - Through Adversity, to the Stars
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 18:33:00 - [90] Originally by: Arelius Sarum At this point, she has bypassed traditions and laws, seemingly faked her own death and working with some unknown forces. And wouldn't those subjects be subjects of Empire Proportion and already analyzed by Empire Officers ? And if still they have decided that Jamyl is the Empress to be, does it mean that we are watching Loyalists turning against their betters and questioning their decisions? Also are we watching capsuleers trying to take matters of the State to their own hands? Originally by: Arelius Sarum At this rate, she has the potential to be the most tyranical ruler the Empire will have. So mote it be, amen. That is exactly what Amarr needs now. Originally by: Arelius Sarum She is unfit to rule in Amarr. I haven't seen this declaration from Court Chamberlain... but it's amusing to read such from a capsuleer self declared loyalist.

Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.26 18:37:00 - [91] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Blanche Genevre As far as I can understand, CVA, PIE and CCCP together have been the ones trying to disrupt the good line of communications about what is happening. That is certainly not my intention. In order to avoid any further confusion on the matter, I will refrain from posting here except in response to points aimed directly at me. However, I urge you to put Neferis' comments in the context of her previous activities. I'm considering all parts involved and my opinion is based on the fact that it's hard to understand the subject when there are so many disruptions. I didn't need to spend time following your link that turned out to be nothing related to the history of what is been spoken. If this is an important announcement, I'd like try to understand it without the bickering backstabing in between. thank you.
Arelius Sarum Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.26 18:45:00 - [92] Originally by: Revan Neferis And wouldn't those subjects be subjects of Empire Proportion and already analyzed by Empire Officers ? And if still they have decided that Jamyl is the Empress to be, does it mean that we are watching Loyalists turning against their betters and questioning their decisions? Also are we watching capsuleers trying to take matters of the State to their own hands? Also followed by the disappearnce of former Court Chamberlain and several Speakers of Truth. The most plausible explanation would be Jamyl is attempting to silence the opposition. I'm loyal to the Empire as a whole, not a person with shady character. Quote: So mote it be, amen. That is exactly what Amarr needs now. Good to know your need and love for tyranny. Quote: I haven't seen this declaration from Court Chamberlain... but it's amusing to read such from a capsuleer self declared loyalist. Of course, those who oppose her need to consider her new weapon, and mysteriously disappearing from sight. Per Ardua ad Astra - Through Adversity, to the Stars
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.26 18:55:00 - [93] Originally by: Revan Neferis ... specially from a pilot that I have taken under my wings on her first days at academy, when she would fly under my fleet with a punisher at Aegis Militia wars against the gallente and Tetrimon reclaiming... laughs Nice try little one... My first war was against the Terrorist "Wings of Maak", I was flying Crucifiers back then and that "person" you pretend to be was certainly not my senior, quite far from it. We started out in the same unit as recruits in AMs "Bashi" project and she was a good comrade in arms till she unfortunately went insane. But one probably cant expect better intel from an impostor with such a bad taste... ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 18:59:00 - [94] Originally by: Arelius Sarum Also followed by the disappearnce of former Court Chamberlain and several Speakers of Truth. The most plausible explanation would be Jamyl is attempting to silence the opposition. I'm loyal to the Empire as a whole, not a person with shady character. Shady character? One more compliment with a loyalist seal to gree the new Empress to be? This keeps getting better and better. Originally by: Arelius Sarum Good to know your need and love for tyranny. Why, thank you kindly. But was this ever any sort of secret around here? Or maybe you were expecting a True Amarr , Sani Sabik to hail "LibertT, FraternitT, EqualitT?"? * smiles shaking her head again * Originally by: Arelius Sarum Of course, those who oppose her need to consider her new weapon, and mysteriously disappearing from sight. If that be true, Hailthe Empress to be! And may I not fall in love with her! * raises an eyebrow at her last comment and waves dismissively to the camera *
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 19:01:00 - [95] Originally by: Amira Silvermist that "person" you pretend to be Yeap, whatever rocks your boat dear.
Aleczander Kerr Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces	Posted - 2008.09.26 19:18:00 - [96] I would not be surprised if an inquisition was started following the coronation.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.26 19:29:00 - [97] Originally by: Amira Silvermist Another bunch of insults and disruptive stuff And yet another loyalist joins the list of the ones who wants to disrupt the good flow of communications regarding the coronation. So much for decorum and amarr victor. Hypocrisy have a new name. Congratz you bunch. You're really doing a good image for your cause.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.26 19:46:00 - [98] Originally by: Revan Neferis I would hate if Jamyl declares herself a Blood raider. As it is well known, the Blood raider sect have their specific ways of interpretation of the Sani Sabik ideology and it's contrary from the Bloodveil sect in many ways. So I hope that you are right in this aspect. The core Sani Sabik tenets include blooding of those in lesser positions of power for the glory of those above them. When combined with the Amarrian interest in long life, this resulted in horrid and ineffectual rituals. Your passionate belief in what amounts to the animalistic side of human nature is not entirely unfounded but you refuse to see how that is incorporated in the current scriptures. With Jamyl in power, perhaps you will realize that being loyal to the existing families and ways of doing things is not as decadent and weak as you think it is. The human spirit is a fierce and powerful source of energy, quick to burn others and quicker to burn out. The fortress of Amarrian culture sternly harnesses this energy and makes it so much more than it otherwise would be.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.26 19:55:00 - [99] Inara's channel opens with audio only My apologies, but I'm currently being wired into my pod, and don't feel like exposing myself to the universe at large. I may be no expert in the ways of the Empire, I only spent a small amount of time within their borders, but I do remember quite well that it was not a democracy. There is no need for the government to answer to it's people, yet that is exactly what many loyalists are demanding. Perhaps someone could clarify how they feel they are justified to question those in authority when they don't live within the bleeding heart Federation? a few soft beeps can be heard before Inara continues Here it is, an empire is a state that extends dominion over populations distinct culturally and ethnically from the culture/ethnicity at the center of power; it's a monarchy with an emperor as head of state. And I'm sure we all know a monarchy is a form of government in which supreme power is actually or nominally lodged in an individual, who is the head of state, often for life or until abdication, and "is wholly set apart from all other members of the state." Wholly set apart... by living in the system you do, you accept that the ruling body is the law and they are right. The people within an Empire have no say in governmental concerns... in fact, I would go as far as to repeat something I've said in other conversations: to live in the Empire, is to live in slavery. Not only the Matari that are held in bonds, but the Holders themselves, are slaves. A scoffing noise is heard Insolence like this would never be accepted from those under me. May your new Mistress' lash find your back once she takes the throne.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.26 20:06:00 - [100] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 26/09/2008 20:09:28 Originally by: Inara Subaka Insolence like this would never be accepted from those under me. May your new Mistress' lash find your back once she takes the throne. I love your Style lady. Now Mr Avel, I'll refrain to speak much about Blood Raiders and Sani Sabik here as to not derail the thread any further than your loyalists has done already as pointed by one of the pilots. Suffice to say that I also find this blood cutting and lashing disgusting and I consider it as a wrong interpretation of the Apocrypha. Blood is sacred for true Amarrians and shouldn't be treated as such. So no, Sani Sabik Ideology of many sects doesn't embrace such practices. Mine, included.

Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.26 20:29:00 - [101] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 26/09/2008 20:29:28 It's ironic that you and Rodj Blake are arguing, Revan - for once, I'm actually going to have to side with the old bastard. They've been doing the whole Imperial Loyalist thing far longer than you have - which is to say, they've been Imperial Loyalists. You're nothing but an anaemic, petty little social vampire who's desperately trying to ingratiate yourself with Jamyl Sarum in a pathetic attempt to snatch some relevance for a world which would otherwise soon forget you. I've argued with Blake, I've fought with Blake - Revan, you're no Rodj Blake. For one thing, he can handle a warship. For all his faults, for all his misanthropy and mendacity, he's at least a competent fighter and has at least a tiny bit of relevance to current events. You don't even have that going for you. Yes, that's right, I - Andreus Ixiris - just spoke favourably of Rodj Blake when comparing him with you. That's how pathetic you are. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.26 21:04:00 - [102] Edited by: Blanche Genevre on 26/09/2008 21:07:16 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris bunch of crap Aren't you the same Revan's stalker from all the other threads? Is it possible that you're not able to post anything constructive at IGS at all? It starts to be so apparent to us readers, that you might need psiquiatric help to get over this. As much as may find the term stalking to be fitting you as a glove, stalking is defined as the willful, malicious and repeated following and harassing of another person. And that's the only thing you have been doing. Get a grip and save us from reading your mental disturbances and personal problems. If you have something against the person you are stalking, go pew pew or wash your frustrations at CAOD if you can take the heat. Now can we get back to the Coronation? thanks.
Camperific Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.09.26 22:09:00 - [103] A new Empress who ignore's the scriptures and has the Sani Sabik vote of confidence.....Whoopie 'effin doo.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.26 22:09:00 - [104] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Aren't you the same Revan's stalker from all the other threads? Aren't you the same Revan's pathetic, mewling sycophant/sockpuppet from all the other threads? Originally by: Blanche Genevre Is it possible that you're not able to post anything constructive at IGS at all? Quite the contrary - that would be the magisterium of your false idol. Originally by: Blanche Genevre It starts to be so apparent to us readers, that you might need psiquiatric help to get over this. Right, because I'm obviously going to take advice on mental competency from someone who can't spell "psychiatric" right. And to be honest, I don't really give a fedo what "you readers" think about me. That's a hell of aa weasel word anyway. I think you'll find very few credible people supporting Revan's cause. When PIE Inc. starts blasting people for being too ridiculous... Originally by: Blanche Genevre As much as may find the term stalking to be fitting you as a glove, stalking is defined as the willful, malicious and repeated following and harassing of another person. And that's the only thing you have been doing. Firstly - I'm sorry, what? "As much as may find the term stalking to be fitting you as a glove"? Is there an issue with your translation software or is it simply unable to compensate for your abyssmal command of language? Stalking - "Stalking is the obsessive following, observing, or contacting of another person, or the obsessive attempt to engage in any of these activities. This includes following the person to certain places, to see where they live or what the person does on a daily basis, it also includes seeking and obtaining the person's personal information in order to contact him or her; e.g. looking for his or her details on computers, electoral rolls, personal files and other material containing the person's private information without his or her consent." For it to be stalking, it requires that I be obsessed, which I'm clearly not, as I would otherwise find little time for pursuits such as making money and running my corporation - and I'm sure any member of my corporation you care to ask will assure you that this is not the case. Rodj Blake has repeatedly argued with Revan on this thread, and yet I see no accusations flying around there. Actually, to be honest - you've contacted me in almost every thread I've argued with Revan in. I think you're stalking me. Originally by: Blanche Genevre Get a grip and save us from reading your mental disturbances and personal problems. Oh, the hilarity - the sycophant of a psychotic attention wh**e who thinks she's God is lecturing me about "mental disturbances and personal problems". Everything you and Revan say just gets more and more hilarious. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.26 22:30:00 - [105] Edited by: Blanche Genevre on 26/09/2008 22:32:38 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Aren't you the same Revan's pathetic, mewling sycophant/sockpuppet from all the other threads? No, I'm just someone able to interact with everyone here without the need of harrasing or disrupting anyone's enjoyment. Originally by: Blanche Genevre Is it possible that you're not able to post anything constructive at IGS at all? Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Quite the contrary - that would be the magisterium of your false idol. Her threads have been very polite and entertaining to the IGS community and as a newcomer I can tell you that the only disruption here have been your constant harrassement. Originally by: Blanche Genevre It starts to be so apparent to us readers, that you might need psiquiatric help to get over this. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Right, because I'm obviously going to take advice on mental competency from someone who can't spell "psychiatric" right. Maybe I can't spell psychiatric right, but at least I have the psichiatric control that you obviously lack. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris For it to be stalking, it requires that I be obsessed, which I'm clearly not Which you clearly are. Obsessed and lacking any kind of respect to IGS readers who would like to follow the storyline or event or plot they wish without such personal disturbances. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris attention wh**e bypassing profanity filter to make a point now?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.26 22:57:00 - [106] Originally by: Blanche Genevre No, I'm just someone able to interact with everyone here without the need of harrasing or disrupting anyone's enjoyment. As it happens, you are disrupting my enjoyment - it troubles me when I stop to think that there are indeed some humans stupid enough to fall for Revan's transparent bluffs and bluster. Originally by: Blanche Genevre Her threads have been very polite and entertaining to the IGS community and as a newcomer I can tell you that the only disruption here have been your constant harrassement. I am not sure what your definitions of "polite" or "entertaining" are, but I'm assuming they're something like "condescending mental incompetent" and "paint drying on a cold day", respectively. I imagine you think you're being polite. Originally by: Blanche Genevre Maybe I can't spell psychiatric right, but at least I have the psichiatric control that you obviously lack. IT WAS RIGHT THERE! "PSYCHIATRIC" WAS RIGHT THERE! YOU ACTUALLY TYPED IT RIGHT ONCE! HOW COULD YOU SCREW IT UP AGAIN?! Originally by: Blanche Genevre Which you clearly are. Obsessed and lacking any kind of respect to IGS readers who would like to follow the storyline or event or plot they wish without such personal disturbances. Ah, I see the problem. You assume that threads on the IGS are sacrosanct and private, and that it's rude to interject with one's own personal opinion on a matter. Well, girl, the universe is a cruel bastard and so is the IGS. If you don't like what I have to say - tough. That's right, tough. Deal with it. If you think that you have some sort of right on the IGS to see only things that you like, I've got some news which will no doubt leave an unbelievably sour taste in that condescending, sneering little mouth of yours - you don't. If I had my way there'd be not one single pro-slavery capsuleer on the IGS, nor would there be pirates, Heth-supporters, Sanshas, or, indeed, 90% of the people you see around here, and to be quite frank I think if any one capsuleer had their way, almost all of us wouldn't have a voice. You should be most grateful that no-one does have their way, and that you may voice your petty little opinions, in defiance of all common sense and propriety. But do not assume that simply because you have a right to say what you like that you have a right to hear what you like. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from speech. And anyone who can't come to grips with that fact? Damn right I have no respect for them. Now, as for being obsessed - well, if you won't believe my word when I say I'm not obsessed, it's quite clear you'll never believe anyone else's, so I won't bother trying to convince you. Such strongly held delusions are a waste of effort to try and dislodge. I leave you with this thought - why would you get so angry if what I say is false? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.09.26 23:06:00 - [107] You know... I find Andreus' communications usually to be... hmmm... Well, somewhat infuriating, usually annoying, definitely something to raise my blood pressure, and after I have thought them out and actually read them, highly entertaining and SOMETIMES even <gasp> yes, thought provoking in some strange way. Without the Andreuses of the universe, things would be a bit less bright, if for no other reason than we didnt have someone to make us so damned irritated. Consequently, I think its a bit unfair to paste the labels on Andreus that you have. We all can be a bit ... strident at times, and can get a bit shrill when pushed. Perhaps he goes a bit further then others would, but then again, its a free world, no? May God grant you Wisdom, Pilots.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.26 23:17:00 - [108] Originally by: Veron Daerth Perhaps he goes a bit further then others would, but then again, its a free world, no? My point exactly. Thank you, sir. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.26 23:23:00 - [109] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris As it happens, you are disrupting my enjoyment - it troubles me when I stop to think that there are indeed some humans stupid enough to fall for Revan's transparent bluffs and bluster. If I were to disrupt your enjoyment I would enter your threads, your events and your posts with the same posture that you have entered this one for example, without adding anything constructive to the discussion, without adding even a little piece of information to new pilots and bypassing profanity filters to pretend you can talk dirty and be a big man this way. So no, you are disrrupting my enjoyment because I came here to read and learn about the event and found once more you using IGS communications to your pernal needs of harrassement. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I am not sure what your definitions of "polite" or "entertaining" are, but I'm assuming they're something like "condescending mental incompetent" and "paint drying on a cold day", respectively. I imagine you think you're being polite. I'll help you with that. Polite is for example not trying to bypass a profanity filter in this forum. Something that you have done. Entertaining is when you can sit down and relax and participate in a community with stories and such without having to be assaulted everytime by a bunch of communications like yours. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris IT WAS RIGHT THERE! "PSYCHIATRIC" WAS RIGHT THERE! YOU ACTUALLY TYPED IT RIGHT ONCE! HOW COULD YOU SCREW IT UP AGAIN?! You still miss the point that no matter how the word is spelled to your standards, I still have the psychiatric control that you lack. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Ah, I see the problem. You assume that threads on the IGS are sacrosanct and private, and that it's rude to interject with one's own personal opinion on a matter. Well, girl, the universe is a cruel bastard and so is the IGS. If you don't like what I have to say - tough. That's right, tough. Deal with it. If you think that you have some sort of right on the IGS to see only things that you like, I've got some news which will no doubt leave an unbelievably sour taste in that condescending, sneering little mouth of yours - you don't. If I had my way there'd be not one single pro-slavery capsuleer on the IGS, nor would there be pirates, Heth-supporters, Sanshas, or, indeed, 90% of the people you see around here, and to be quite frank I think if any one capsuleer had their way, almost all of us wouldn't have a voice. You should be most grateful that no-one does have their way, and that you may voice your petty little opinions, in defiance of all common sense and propriety. But do not assume that simply because you have a right to say what you like that you have a right to hear what you like. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from speech. And anyone who can't come to grips with that fact? Damn right I have no respect for them. Now, as for being obsessed - well, if you won't believe my word when I say I'm not obsessed, it's quite clear you'll never believe anyone else's, so I won't bother trying to convince you. Such strongly held delusions are a waste of effort to try and dislodge. I leave you with this thought - why would you get so angry if what I say is false? No, I just assume that IGS threads as any area of this forum is a place where pilots can read, learn and understand about eve story and eventually even get involved with what's happening. What I don't assume is that IGS or any other area of this forum is a place for pilots to harrass others because their psychiatric disturbances, obsessions and unresolved issues. If you tell me that IGS is not a private quarter, don't use it as such.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.09.27 00:22:00 - [110] Originally by: Blanche Genevre What I don't assume is that IGS or any other area of this forum is a place for pilots to harrass others because their psychiatric disturbances, obsessions and unresolved issues. So I'm presuming you haven't really read any threads on the IGS, then? That's precisely what the IGS is, all the time. Your beloved Revan, in both her incarnations, is/was an absolute master of using it as such. Perhaps you should do a little research next time. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander

Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.27 00:59:00 - [111] Originally by: Veron Daerth Perhaps he goes a bit further then others would, but then again, its a free world, no? May God grant you Wisdom, Pilots. Ah Miss Genevre, it pains me to say that Mr. Veron there is right. What are you trying to do Miss Genevre, depriving me of my personal stalker? Now now, this would be a sad state of affairs, wouldn't it? Miss Genevre, come omboard the Caesura when you return and I'll teach you a thing or two about how to breed a stalker and take good care of it. It's very easy once your learn, i'ts almost as easy as a slave or slaver hound with the exception that you don't need to spend isk with vitoc for them. Once you set them on, they will keep going. The secret is just to annoy them enough. Don't be upset beautiful gallentean. But again, back to topic: Originally by: Camperific A new Empress who ignore's the scriptures and has the Sani Sabik vote of confidence.....Whoopie 'effin doo. She has all the rights to ignore the scriptures. Nothing says that those are the true scriptures anyway.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.27 01:53:00 - [112] Edited by: Sepherim on 27/09/2008 01:56:02 Miss Genevre, if I may say so, Mr Ixiris has been doing the same thing over and over on all the IGS, on all topics and for all pilots. Don't think he's harrassing Miss Neferis any more than he has harrased... or exposed his opinions... the rest of us. So I must day that, in this chance and only this one, Mr Ixiris is right. That I believe makes this thread a rather peculiar one. First Mr Ixiris speaks well of Lord Blake, and now I back him. This is getting rather strange. As for the debate on the Scriptures, I don't think Miss Neferis is in this case an authority regarding them. Afterall, the Sani Sabik follow the Apocryphon, which basically means the "rejected book", or "unapoved book". Same as the Tetrimon. Of course, if she considered the Scriptures to be true, she wouldn't be Sani Sabik, so her words have no point in this. On the other hand, the whola amarrian nation, exemplified in the Theology Council, has decided that we follow those Scriptures. Even if they weren't true, the fact is that they are what we believe in as a whole. For that, even if only for that, none of our rulers have the power nor the right to ignore them. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Aretaic Turn	Posted - 2008.09.27 01:57:00 - [113] I won't say much, just that I deem it appropriate to show patience and wait till the coronation speech is better now than wasting breath on words on this case. To Madam Neferis I have to say the following: Nihil nisi bene. In your case: Nihil.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.27 02:14:00 - [114] Originally by: Sepherim Miss Genevre, if I may say so, Mr Ixiris has been doing the same thing over and over on all the IGS, on all topics and for all pilots. Don't think he's harrassing Miss Neferis any more than he has harrased... or exposed his opinions... the rest of us. Explained this to her Sepherim, and after a few drinks with me at the Caesure I believe that we have found a good agreement about this case. Generally it's not unusual that a new pilot comes here and reacts as such. But than again, it'll take here just enough time to know how to deal with such trouble makers and learn to have fun with them. I'm sure she'll get there. Originally by: Sepherim As for the debate on the Scriptures, I don't think Miss Neferis is in this case an authority regarding them. Afterall, the Sani Sabik follow the Apocryphon, which basically means the "rejected book", or "unapoved book". Same as the Tetrimon. Of course, if she considered the Scriptures to be true, she wouldn't be Sani Sabik, so her words have no point in this. Never claimed to ahve authority over the scriptures, where did you take this from Keter? I merely stated that nothing says that it is the true scriptures and if you ask me, if Jamyl isn't following it says a lot about it's possible veracity. Now you won't have me taking the words of blind capsuleers over Jamyl's decision, any day. It's obvious that the true scriptures are the parts hidden into the Holy Apocrypha. Originally by: Sepherim On the other hand, the whola amarrian nation, exemplified in the Theology Council, has decided that we follow those Scriptures. Even if they weren't true, the fact is that they are what we believe in as a whole. For that, even if only for that, none of our rulers have the power nor the right to ignore them. A decision that has taken the Empire to chaos and shame. Which No leader had the power to rectify it, thus far. It seem to em that Jamyl will do just that.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.27 02:21:00 - [115] Originally by: Revan Neferis Never claimed to ahve authority over the scriptures, where did you take this from Keter? I merely stated that nothing says that it is the true scriptures and if you ask me, if Jamyl isn't following it says a lot about it's possible veracity. Now you won't have me taking the words of blind capsuleers over Jamyl's decision, any day. It's obvious that the true scriptures are the parts hidden into the Holy Apocrypha. I didn't take it from your speech, was just pointing that fact out for those who may think that your position as one of the heads of the Sani Sabik faith gives you such power in all Amarr religion. And of course, we will have to disagree on the Apocrypha. Quote: A decision that has taken the Empire to chaos and shame. Which No leader had the power to rectify it, thus far. It seem to em that Jamyl will do just that. That is your take on it. It has also taken the Amarr from Athra to the stars, and millions of souls to gather into one same regime. In the end, it is the path we chose to walk, wether right or wrong, we and our leaders have to find the answer. And for that, we have to walk through it until the end. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.27 02:48:00 - [116] Originally by: Sepherim I didn't take it from your speech, was just pointing that fact out for those who may think that your position as one of the heads of the Sani Sabik faith gives you such power in all Amarr religion. And of course, we will have to disagree on the Apocrypha. Ah ok, that sounds reasonable Keter of the Ordos. And it was a good clarification, as I'd hate to think anyone less informed having thoughts about me having anything to do with that false bunch of words from an unholy manipulated book that is used to keep the dirty amarrian politics in place and people submissive. The True Amarr can recognize the truth within the Apocrypha. It calls for our souls and blood. Originally by: Sepherim That is your take on it. It has also taken the Amarr from Athra to the stars, and millions of souls to gather into one same regime. In the end, it is the path we chose to walk, wether right or wrong, we and our leaders have to find the answer. And for that, we have to walk through it until the end. Yes but of course my take can only be the right one. Don't forget my take when I waged wars against Tetrimon to find the whole amarr perplexed just to discover that I was right at the end. And of course I can only be right about Jamyl as well.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.27 03:51:00 - [117] Originally by: Revan Neferis Yes but of course my take can only be the right one. Don't forget my take when I waged wars against Tetrimon to find the whole amarr perplexed just to discover that I was right at the end. And of course I can only be right about Jamyl as well. It was long ago so my memory might be foggy, but weren't you begging for Horm's forgiveness at some point?
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.27 04:15:00 - [118] Originally by: Avel Kereka Originally by: Revan Neferis Yes but of course my take can only be the right one. Don't forget my take when I waged wars against Tetrimon to find the whole amarr perplexed just to discover that I was right at the end. And of course I can only be right about Jamyl as well. It was long ago so my memory might be foggy, but weren't you begging for Horm's forgiveness at some point? The whole case was deeper than that loyalist. Grand Master Horm and I have had... business to finish. The information that I would actually kill him at the ruins of the city of God reached his ears before it should and that was the only reason why Horm cut his part on the deal and lived to further hurt the Empire. And you should thank your way dead frozen commander Graelyn for that. The prize I would have gotten for his death was way more tempting than just negociating your surrender. But do not stir that which should not be stired here pilot, specially regarding past dealings of your own alliance in this matter. Let teh dead rest, while Jamyl will rise.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.27 10:03:00 - [119] Originally by: Sepherim Miss Genevre, if I may say so, Mr Ixiris has been doing the same thing over and over on all the IGS, on all topics and for all pilots. Don't think he's harrassing Miss Neferis any more than he has harrased... or exposed his opinions... the rest of us. Man's just the case that calling him stupid would be an insult to stupid people. Diarrhea of the mouth, constipation of the ideas. Maybe he's just got a brain transplant and the brain rejected him! Yo, I've got the picture. And Revan, you've told me at the Caesura to not bother, that Andreus Ixiris is in fact a great asset. I continue to say that you were off by two letters.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.28 00:35:00 - [120] Originally by: Revan Neferis Yes but of course my take can only be the right one. Don't forget my take when I waged wars against Tetrimon to find the whole amarr perplexed just to discover that I was right at the end. And of course I can only be right about Jamyl as well. That you once were right in something, doesn't mean you are right now in a completely different issue. The Sani Sabik was in no measure used to value the truth in the Tetrimon's claim, and so was not judged during the process. In any case, we all know the Sani Sabik is a heresy considered such by the Theology Council, so the truth or falseness in Lady Jamyl Sarum's right to being Empress does not depend in any way of the Sani Sabik faith. In fact, if I may say so, Thrice Illustrious Leader of the Sani Sabik, your "support" of Lady Sarum can only harm her in all that has to do with the Empire. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum

Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 00:53:00 - [121] Originally by: Sepherim That you once were right in something, doesn't mean you are right now in a completely different issue. Both Issues pertaining to high matters of the State, nonetheless. And the possibility of me being right or wrong, matters little. As a matter of fact it places you in a delicate position Keter: If I'm right and Jamyl turns to be everything that she is letting transparent by her actions ( reasons why you loyalists are so concerned at first place), you will see new colours shinning the Amarr Empire. Not Golden but Crimson. If I'm wrong and Jamyl isn't the rightful rule of the Amarr Empire, it means that you must be right and the Empress will be than a false Empress who cheated customs and traditions and will rule the Empire against everything that you, loyalists ever believed. So which of the two evils will you embrace as a cause Keter? Is it better that I be right or wrong this time? Originally by: Sepherim The Sani Sabik was in no measure used to value the truth in the Tetrimon's claim, and so was not judged during the process. This information is wrong and I'll rectify it because new pilots may want to have the correct reference to base their arguments: The Sani Sabik was a central point over all Tetrimon case, having my last home Verisum family and my own, officially excommunicated by Horm because of matters of wars and information to Court Chamberlain regarding the outpost. Actually, Sani Sabik involvement was a central point. Originally by: Sepherim In any case, we all know the Sani Sabik is a heresy considered such by the Theology Council, so the truth or falseness in Lady Jamyl Sarum's right to being Empress does not depend in any way of the Sani Sabik faith. This is a very compromising statement to make and very risky Keter. So if Lady Jamyl declares after Coronation that she is a Sani Sabik follower and reinstitutes the most pure Ancient Amarrian faith to be the only legal faith, will you than still be loyal independent of her faith? Originally by: Sepherim In fact, if I may say so, Thrice Illustrious Leader of the Sani Sabik, your "support" of Lady Sarum can only harm her in all that has to do with the Empire. If that's the case, she should do things that displeases me instead of being involved with rumours of secret weapons and murderers of certain Joshua cultists and such... so far, I have no reason at all to be displeased. She is the ruler that I would be if in her place. Again, does says a lot Keter...
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Aretaic Turn	Posted - 2008.09.28 08:40:00 - [122] Originally by: Revan Neferis So which of the two evils will you embrace as a cause Keter? Is it better that I be right or wrong this time? Maybe both options are wrong and a third option is true? After all the two options that are given here don't cover the whole space of possibilities.
Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:11:00 - [123] Edited by: Eemaavi on 28/09/2008 14:14:05 Here is the Real dillema,, What on earth do I wear to an Imperial Coronation?! I mean this is THE biggest social event of the century! Its been Hundreds of years since the last one, obviously I will be in high Khanid fashion but the color choices are so hard. Red and Gold is always elegant and you can never go wrong, however with with all this Sani-Sabik talk perhaps it would be to risky..the Sarum House colors would be safe I suppose but I wearing Khanid Colors could help emphasize unity. Decisions, decisions at least I know which ship I will be taking...the Magnate, its just so Luxe deluxe. What will YOU be wearing to the Coronation? Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:44:00 - [124] Originally by: Revan Neferis This information is wrong and I'll rectify it because new pilots may want to have the correct reference to base their arguments: The Sani Sabik was a central point over all Tetrimon case, having my last home Verisum family and my own, officially excommunicated by Horm because of matters of wars and information to Court Chamberlain regarding the outpost. Actually, Sani Sabik involvement was a central point. That is your take on the issue, which is not surprising. But it doesn't actually relate to what I said. I said that the Sani Sabik faith was not used as a measure to judge the truth or falseness of the Tetrimon claim, as such a claim was judged only by the Theology Council. Quote: This is a very compromising statement to make and very risky Keter. So if Lady Jamyl declares after Coronation that she is a Sani Sabik follower and reinstitutes the most pure Ancient Amarrian faith to be the only legal faith, will you than still be loyal independent of her faith? Then it may be time for a new Saint Tetrimon to take his terrible duty, Miss Neferis. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:58:00 - [125] Originally by: Sepherim judged only by the Theology Council. One thing is saying that Sani Sabik faith wasn't involved with the facts that lead the decision ( which is incorrect ) and another thing is saying that a Sani Sabik leader didn't do the judgement himself/herself which is correct. There is nothing new with the fact that the Theology Council takes those decisions as an official entity of the Empire. Quote: This is a very compromising statement to make and very risky Keter. So if Lady Jamyl declares after Coronation that she is a Sani Sabik follower and reinstitutes the most pure Ancient Amarrian faith to be the only legal faith, will you than still be loyal independent of her faith? Originally by: Sepherim Then it may be time for a new Saint Tetrimon to take his terrible duty, Miss Neferis. smiles Keter, Keter... are you implying that to assassinate a legitimate Empress would be an holy act?
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.28 15:54:00 - [126] Originally by: Revan Neferis One thing is saying that Sani Sabik faith wasn't involved with the facts that lead the decision ( which is incorrect ) and another thing is saying that a Sani Sabik leader didn't do the judgement himself/herself which is correct. There is nothing new with the fact that the Theology Council takes those decisions as an official entity of the Empire. More or less I can partially agree with this. Still, you overvalue the participation of the Sani Sabik in the whole deal, but that is only natural given your current position. Quote: smiles Keter, Keter... are you implying that to assassinate a legitimate Empress would be an holy act? No, Miss Neferis, I would never say such a thing. What I'm saying is that assassinating a non-legitimate Emperor who is usurping such a high office has been seen with good eyes in the past when the Emperor went into heresy. I believe such would be the same case here if Lady Jamyl Sarum were ever to fall into the Sani Sabik faith. God goes before the Emperor. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 17:12:00 - [127] Originally by: Sepherim No, Miss Neferis, I would never say such a thing. What I'm saying is that assassinating a non-legitimate Emperor who is usurping such a high office has been seen with good eyes in the past when the Emperor went into heresy. I believe such would be the same case here if Lady Jamyl Sarum were ever to fall into the Sani Sabik faith. God goes before the Emperor. Well, let's take your statement per parts: A Legitimate Emperor or Empress is considered such once The high offices of the Empire being Court Chamberlain and Theology Council, recognizes the person as such upon Coronation. Basically this clearly states the fact that Jamyl Sarum, after Coronation will be officialy bestowed the Title of Empress and therefore, a legitimated ruler. The assassination of a legimate ruler, is treason and crime and that is what you are endorsing Keter. The question of an Emperor or Empress to go into heresy: The State of what is heresy and what is not, is declared by the Emperor or Empress himself/herself. If The Empress is the chosen of God, ruler and representative of the voice of God on this Universe, consequently the decisions of the Emperor or Empress is the will of God at the moment their are voiced. To say that an Emperor or Empress can fall into Heresy is the same as declaring that God has lost the right to speak his will by his chosen one. Furthermore, following the same sequence, If Lady Jamyl declares that the Sani Sabik faith is now the legitimate faith of the Empire, after Coronation, she is speaking with the voice of God herself. Who are you comparing to her to make any judgement of this matter Keter? Faith at least is what that blind fool Blake has presented. He says he will abide by the will of God and Jamyl whatever it comes. What of you, Keter? They say that I have fallen from Gods grace by questioning Horm once on the same matter: God before the Emperor. I see that you're following the exact same path.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.28 17:42:00 - [128] Originally by: Revan Neferis The assassination of a legimate ruler, is treason and crime and that is what you are endorsing Keter. Ah, but you see "legitimacy" is such a slippery term. An Emperor can go too far, and if they do they'll find their divinity outclassed by the inherent holiness of our society and scripture.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 18:38:00 - [129] Originally by: Avel Kereka Ah, but you see "legitimacy" is such a slippery term. An Emperor can go too far, and if they do they'll find their "divinity" outclassed by the inherent holiness of our society and scripture. God kills those who fail him. Legitimacy, Loyalist, is not a slippery term. Unless you start to doubt and question your own government. This is where the sprigs of civil revolution comes from. Or you believe and have faith in the power of your Empire to legitimate this Coronation and Jamyl as a ruler, or you don't. If you do, you automatically accept Jamyl's nomination and Coronation as Legitimate. If you don't, you automatically doubt the system and everything that it represents, therefore incurring heresy and treason. Only two sides of one coin Mr Loyalist. The definition of Legitimate is made by the system you will be questioning if you don't accept it. What kind of unshakable faith that we so much hear about from lips of loyalists enthusiasts? And now " An Emperor can go too far..." and yet he speaks by the will of God? What sort of contradiction is this that we see rising from loyalists lips nowadays? An Emperor can only go as far as God wills it, isn't that so? I'm finding myself positively surprised with declarations I've been reading here lately. No wonder that PIE came in a desperate attempt to silence loyalists voices early on...
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.28 18:53:00 - [130] Originally by: Revan Neferis Legitimacy, Loyalist, is not a slippery term. Unless you start to doubt and question your own government. This is where the sprigs of civil revolution comes from. Or you believe and have faith in the power of your Empire to legitimate this Coronation and Jamyl as a ruler, or you don't. The Empire was saved by a "revolutionary" act during the reign of a mad Emperor. At the time of his coronation, nobody suspected he was a servant of the Demon; when it was clear he was no man of God, he was struck down by one who was. Don't try to lecture me in your ignorance.

Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 19:14:00 - [131] Originally by: Avel Kereka The Empire was saved by a "revolutionary" act during the reign of a mad Emperor. At the time of his coronation, nobody suspected he was a servant of the Demon; when it was clear he was no man of God, he was struck down by one who was. When you can't find justification in your false God you try to find justification in another visible entity now called Demon And with that I believe that your shortage of intelligent arguments are over concluding with: Originally by: Avel Kereka Don't try to lecture me in your ignorance. And yet it seems like my ignorance wouldn't issue such an ignorant statement. So it's the way of things. I bid you adieu.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.28 19:22:00 - [132] Originally by: Revan Neferis When you can't find justification in your false God you try to find justification in another visible entity now called Demon If you don't believe in the scriptures why are we having this discussion? Originally by: Revan Neferis And with that I believe that your shortage of intelligent arguments are over concluding with Since you seem to have difficulty with simple logic, let me spell it out for you: If the Emperor breaks too many rules, the Emperor is taken down by the establishment. Sarum is a divine gift precisely because she's a traditionalist, and not a petty tyrant like you try to be.
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.09.28 19:44:00 - [133] Originally by: Avel Kereka Sarum is a divine gift precisely because she's a traditionalist, and not a petty tyrant like you try to be. Sarum is human, and subject to all the weaknesses inherent in humanity. Flesh that burns, bones the break, blood that spills. And of course, a finite lifespan. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.29 00:48:00 - [134] Mr Cetes is right there. As for the discussion at hand, first comes God, then comes the Empire, then comes the Emperor. If the Emperor goes against either one of the previous two, he has to step back or be put at ease. That was the case in Saint Tetrimon's murder of the Mad Emperor, as has been made reference before. So, the Emperor (or Empress in this case) is only Legitimate as long as she remains tied to what the Empire is. In a case of High Treason as you are describing, Miss Neferis, she loses all legitimacy. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.29 04:06:00 - [135] Originally by: Avel Kereka Ah, but you see "legitimacy" is such a slippery term. An Emperor can go too far, and if they do they'll find their "divinity" outclassed by the inherent holiness of our society and scripture. Inara clears her throat May I be as bold as to ask who you, or anyone outside of the Emperor/Empress, is considered worth to define legitimacy, and decide if they've "gone too far"? Surely you wouldn't be as bold as to claim a mere citizen, even a Pilot, is worthy to decide that? A trademark sadists' grin crosses her face You must be getting desperate to feel the lash of Lady Sarum's lash if you are being this bold. And to the rest of you, how are you to know the will of this God you claim to worship and follow? Who are you to say the one chosen by your God isn't doing what they are divinely inspired to do? I find superstitions like your Divine Mandate silly, but if you're going to claim to follow a philosophy, at least attempt to be consistent. If she is crowned, then by your own words it is God's will, if it is God's will then you have no place to question it... Shakes her head And here I was thinking the political nonsense in the Federation was an atrocity; the Empire is loosing grip on the strength and pride I remember hearing about growing up. Almost makes me miss listening to board meetings, and the cut throat negotiation tactics of State positions.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.29 07:14:00 - [136] Originally by: Inara Subaka May I be as bold as to ask who you, or anyone outside of the Emperor/Empress, is considered worth to define legitimacy, and decide if they've "gone too far"? Surely you wouldn't be as bold as to claim a mere citizen, even a Pilot, is worthy to decide that? I'm pure-blooded Amarrian and my faith is pure. You, on the other hand, are an upstart who likes to parade around on IGS in scandalous outfits. Originally by: Inara Subaka A trademark sadists' grin crosses her face Sometimes I wonder if you're really just a sexually frustrated male.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.29 09:14:00 - [137] Originally by: Avel Kereka I'm pure-blooded Amarrian and my faith is pure. You, on the other hand, are an upstart who likes to parade around on IGS in scandalous outfits. Apparently I was too bold for your tastes, I have said before that I am not as well versed in the politics of the Empire as someone who has lived there their entire life, nor do I have any desire to become acquainted with them or live under the Empire's rule. I was simply curious, and making assumptions from the words of many of the pure Amarrians I have spoken with. My question still stands however, how can a citizen, even a Pilot, question what you consider the will of your God? As for my outfits, your body is nothing to be ashamed of, in fact you should be proud of it. And my outfits are usually far from "scandalous", in fact I have been called a bit of a prude by several of my Gallente acquaintances. I have been "blessed" by good genetics that allow me a moderately attractive appearance, by far not the most beautiful woman in the world, and I definitely won't be winning this years "Miss New Eden" pagent, but nothing to hide or be ashamed of. Originally by: Avel Kereka Sometimes I wonder if you're really just a sexually frustrated male. Inara carefully states her next words, not threateningly, but to make sure they are not misunderstood Let me assure you, I am a woman, just not as submissive as some Amarrian males would prefer their women to be. As for being frustrated... a small, almost sad, laugh escapes her lips that I am, but not in the way you mentioned. My life if full of vice, you have probably seen some of them; no, my frustration is that there has yet to be a man that I find worthy of devoting a portion of my life to for the rest of my immortal existence, nor a man that is willing to play second fiddle... Inara looks down momentarily before returning her gaze, once more radiating confidence But that is neither here nor there, my daughter, the adopted Amarrian child named Jall'n, has given me a bit more directive in life. My comments were directed towards you, for the reason that I know what happens when undue disrespect is shown by those under me, and I have but a mere candle of power compared to the blazing sun Lady Sarum has shown to possess. Only the most masochistic of my slaves would ever question me in the same tone or manner you speak of your soon to be Mistress, makes one wonder whether you are the one that is... frustrated.
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.09.29 09:24:00 - [138] Originally by: Inara Subaka Let me assure you, I am a woman, just not as submissive as some Amarrian males would prefer their women to be. The camera feed comes on showing her sparsely decorated quarters and her feet flailing in the air as the sound of really loud laughter fills the audio feed, she then realizes that the feed is on and sits up, still trying to wipe a smirk off her face If you truly think that Amarrian women are submissive then you truly need to visit Amarr Prime. - Logistics Frigates
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.29 09:30:00 - [139] Very well, you ask and I shall reply. Besides being a pilot, I also am a scholar. My quest for knowledge is very rewarding, and one of the knowledge's I have studied is political science, and another is history. Both of which it is obvious you haven't studied, at least for the Empire. Legitimacy in the Empire is obtained only through the prolongued backing of God, it is not a thing to be given away in a moment unlike a corporate buyout. As such, if the path of the Emperor goes too far away from God's path, such an Emperor has to be placed where he belongs in one way or the other. Usually it is nothing drastic, and is basically corrected by imperial politics and the power-struggles of the five Heir Families. When it is not, some other options are available. History shows us that it has been done, and approved, that one Emperor was taken down by the force, as he was murdered by Tetrimon; and such was the approval of such a murder, that Tetrimon was expelled from the Empire (obvious he would have a punishment, but it is important to note that the usual price for such a crime would be death) and after that was made Saint and is still worshipped by the Amarr to this day. I'm no theologist, that's true, so I don't know what is "real deviancy" from the rule. Yet it is simple, the Sani Sabik Faith are heretics declared such by the Theology Council, and have been so for a very long time. If an Emperor were to follow such beliefs, he would be falling into a declared heresy, and thus losing the Legitimacy to Reign if he weren't set back to the rightful path of the Amarrian leader. And now, if you would excuse us, I know you Sani Sabik like to discuss your religion in every matter, yet this topic is not about your faith in any way. Can we get back to the Amarrian Succession and stop losing time with the Sani Sabik doubts of what they believe would be a remotely possible thing to which they see dubious "signs"? Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.29 10:26:00 - [140] Originally by: Avel Kereka Originally by: Inara Subaka May I be as bold as to ask who you, or anyone outside of the Emperor/Empress, is considered worth to define legitimacy, and decide if they've "gone too far"? Surely you wouldn't be as bold as to claim a mere citizen, even a Pilot, is worthy to decide that? I'm pure-blooded Amarrian and my faith is pure. You, on the other hand, are an upstart who likes to parade around on IGS in scandalous outfits. Originally by: Inara Subaka A trademark sadists' grin crosses her face Sometimes I wonder if you're really just a sexually frustrated male. For all that matters here, considering all the IGS posts that you bunch of so called loyalists have done, it's clear to me that you must be the sexual frustrated ones.

Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.29 10:58:00 - [141] Originally by: Bast's Cleric The camera feed comes on showing her sparsely decorated quarters and her feet flailing in the air as the sound of really loud laughter fills the audio feed, she then realizes that the feed is on and sits up, still trying to wipe a smirk off her face If you truly think that Amarrian women are submissive then you truly need to visit Amarr Prime. Inara joins her for a brief laugh No, no. I think you misunderstood me m'lady. I know the majority of Amarrian women are far from submissive, if you will please be kind enough to watch my recording once again... Originally by: Inara Subaka ...just not as submissive as some Amarrian males would prefer... Inara's demeanor sobers slightly Mr. Sepherim, thank you for your information. At least someone was kind enough to explain things. You are right, I have spent little of my precious time studying the history and politics of the Empire; eventually I plan on studying those topics, but my time is currently being taken up by an energetic 8 year old. I still don't understand how someone who can claim that the crown can only be given to one chosen by their God, yet if they feel there is some way they can question that same ascension to power. Maybe my take on your superstitions are flawed, I just assumed (apparently in error) that faith was meant to be unwavering... As for me being Sani Sabik Inara chuckles, don't associate me with those superstitious people. But I will agree with your assessment that we should focus on the topic at hand, the Succession.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.29 13:31:00 - [142] Originally by: Inara Subaka May I be as bold as to ask who you, or anyone outside of the Emperor/Empress, is considered worth to define legitimacy, and decide if they've "gone too far"? Surely you wouldn't be as bold as to claim a mere citizen, even a Pilot, is worthy to decide that? A trademark sadists' grin crosses her face You must be getting desperate to feel the lash of Lady Sarum's lash if you are being this bold. Actually dear, that's the mere reason of their desperation here: they can't. None of these loyalists are qualified to define legitimacy neither to judge it. As a matter of fact things are very simple: If Jamyl passes by the ceremony, receives her Title, holds the sceptre of Empress and at the next minute issue a declaration that Pax Amarr is heretic and all books needs to be immediately destroyed and their followers persecuted without mercy, that is exactly what it would be law. This was how the Apocrypha was condemned at first place, and any Empress or Emperor holds the power to define what is heretic and what's not under their leadership. The fact that Jamyl, a Sarum arch traditionalist True Amarr, that endorses war, absolute command, power by military mighty and purification of race * eyes the ni-kuni so called loyalist* is what is wrecking their nerves into pieces. The fact that those are also Sani Sabik precepts, is making it worse. They don't know what they want to believe any more and at the time they start to contest their traditions, their faith, their unconditional obedience to the future Empress to be and try to pretend that they can dictate matters of high State even impersonating her own voice... than you see the level of desperation in their words. To me, as long as she continues to eliminate my enemies and cleansing the house as she seem to be doing, I couldn't be more satisfied.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.29 15:38:00 - [143] Originally by: Inara Subaka I still don't understand how someone who can claim that the crown can only be given to one chosen by their God, yet if they feel there is some way they can question that same ascension to power. Maybe my take on your superstitions are flawed, I just assumed (apparently in error) that faith was meant to be unwavering... Very well, let me check the textbooks at hand. Ah, here it is. Legitimacy is the act of justifying a determined regime of policy. Each society can justify it in any number of ways, and under any number of conditions to which the governor has to comply in order to remain a valid ruler. As such, it can be defined by positive elements (things that a governor can do and that have to take place for him to reign) or negative ones (things a governor can't do, or things that must not take place). One example: the Gallente legitimate their own governments by some positive elements; as such, a governor has to be elected, has to create law according to the Constitution, and has to leave his office after four years for a new election to take place. As well, it has some negative elements, being the strongest that he has to retain the confidence of the electorate, and that he has to abide by the law like any other citizen. If he stops obeying one of the positives, or falls into one of the negatives, his government is not just but tyranical, and he may be forced to leave the office or even face trial, depending on the circumstances. With the Empire it is the same, like with all nations. We may be simpler, though, as our core rules of legitimacy are quite simple. Positive element, we have that the Emperor has to be chosen by God By a simple series of rituals that ends with Shak'tol Syn. Negative, we have the Faith, to which the Emperor has always to remain true, as encoded in the Scriptures; he can modify the Scriptures, but always within the essence of such Scriptures. As such, the Emperor can be out of the legitimacy, because the legitimacy is external to the office. We cannot unname him Emperor, but we he can be an illegitimate Emperor, as has happened in the past, and there are ways to solve such a situation, being death the most drastic, and only used once in all our history. Oh, and Miss Neferis, remember that the Pax Amarria is not part of our creed nor religion. It is a book written by the Emperor, true, but it is in no way part of the Scriptures. As such, it is only a collection of ideas, feelings, and philosophies written by Heideran the Second, not an obligation for all Amarr to follow and accept.
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:19:00 - [144] Originally by: Sepherim Very well, let me check the textbooks at hand. Ah, here it is. Legitimacy is the act of justifying a determined regime of policy. Each society can justify it in any number of ways, and under any number of conditions to which the governor has to comply in order to remain a valid ruler. As such, it can be defined by positive elements (things that a governor can do and that have to take place for him to reign) or negative ones (things a governor can't do, or things that must not take place). There is one form of government, Individual Sepherim, that is not troubled to such issues as legitimacy. That being a military dictatorship. There is nothing external that can affect the outcome of legitimacy. What is legitimate, is what the Commanding General says is legitimate. Might makes Right. Perhaps the best thing for Amarr would have been to let Admiral Saracen run the government. He at least had the right idea of what to do in the Bleaks. He was reasonably effective, more so than the 24th has been. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.29 20:16:00 - [145] Originally by: Sepherim Very well, let me check ... only used once in all our history. Inara takes in Sepherim's words and ponders for a moment So, let me see if I am understanding you correctly. The Emperor/Empress is put into position through the will of your God and through a set of trials. This same position has the power to speak for God and decide what is and is not "legitimate", yet if the Emperor/Empress steps outside of what someone else calls "legitimate" they can come in and assassinate them. I fear that without a few months of dedicated reading, even with my improved mental capacity, I won't be understanding the nuances of Imperial politics. I'll keep your name on file somewhere, once my portion of the universe slows down a bit I'll be looking for the proper literature, and maybe a guiding hand should I get lost in the words. This is part of the reason I have chosen to live on the fringes of society, the 4 nations have too many quirks and fallacies for my tastes.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.30 02:09:00 - [146] Edited by: Sepherim on 30/09/2008 02:12:34 Originally by: Inara Subaka So, let me see if I am understanding you correctly. The Emperor/Empress is put into position through the will of your God and through a set of trials. This same position has the power to speak for God and decide what is and is not "legitimate", yet if the Emperor/Empress steps outside of what someone else calls "legitimate" they can come in and assassinate them. No, the Emperor doesn't choose what is or is not legitimate, the Emperor "only" writes law and guides the nation. In a certain way, legitimacy comes from the bond between the people of the Empire and the Emperor, it is the things the Emperor must be or do in order to have their backing and approval. Originally by: Vlad Cetes There is one form of government, Individual Sepherim, that is not troubled to such issues as legitimacy. That being a military dictatorship. There is nothing external that can affect the outcome of legitimacy. What is legitimate, is what the Commanding General says is legitimate. Might makes Right. I'm afraid you're wrong, Mr Cetes. A dictatorship like that can be legitimate in case the people approve of it and it's beliefs, being as such legitimated by public acceptance and ideals. Or it can be an illegitimate government, but one strong enough to resist even they lack such a legitimacy.
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.09.30 02:48:00 - [147] Originally by: Sepherim I'm afraid you're wrong, Mr Cetes. A dictatorship like that can be legitimate in case the people approve of it and it's beliefs, being as such legitimated by public acceptance and ideals. Or it can be an illegitimate government, but one strong enough to resist even they lack such a legitimacy. That's the point you fail to see. Your religion that forces you to believe everything must be legitimate blinds you. A dictatorship does not need legitimacy for anyone who questions it can be disposed of.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:52:00 - [148] Originally by: Vlad Cetes A dictatorship does not need legitimacy for anyone who questions it can be disposed of. Jamyl is showing this principle very well. Also, she didn't need legitimacy to get there either. Everyone knows that Jamyl didn't submit herself to the trials. Another point that just reinforces your statement Mr. Cetes.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:14:00 - [149] Originally by: Sepherim I'm afraid you're wrong, Mr Cetes. A dictatorship like that can be legitimate in case the people approve of it and it's beliefs, being as such legitimated by public acceptance and ideals. Or it can be an illegitimate government, but one strong enough to resist even they lack such a legitimacy. This means all governments fall under the rules of legitimacy, wether to be a legitimate government or an illegitimate but stable one. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:59:00 - [150] Originally by: Vlad Cetes That's the point you fail to see. Your religion that forces you to believe everything must be legitimate blinds you. A dictatorship does not need legitimacy for anyone who questions it can be disposed of. Have you ever been a dictator, Mr. Cetes? Do you know what it is like to have your people overwhelm your guards, or have a knife slipped into your back? Perhaps you're Caldari, so you'd commit suicide before suffering that dishonour; but never forget that all power rests on some sort of foundation and short of being a deity you will make a mistake if you get too arrogant and tyrannical.

Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:02:00 - [151] Originally by: Avel Kereka A manu dei e tet rimon. There are some things very dear to all Amarrian: faith, honor, traditionsà Principles are the base for all of those and should not be left behind. Principles are our very own essence and a great measure to the value of character You did well in bringing up that news flash. It shows one of many ôwhyÆs we got hereö. It shows how principles have been bended over time, even by those who had a ôhardlinerö and extremist reputation. Well, most of those. Fortunately, there is a few of ôusö that still hold principles in their lives, no matter how difficult that can prove. Sarum had always been a house champion of those traditionalists and pro-reclaiming wings. TheyÆve always advocate for a more active response on foreign affairs. That makes them favorites of many in empire, in the Kingdom, TetrimonÆs and even Manudeists including myself. Despite some reserves while the explanations necessary had been given, the return of someone who many of us believed could get us back on the right track could be praised. By the time that statement was made it could be subscribed by many, even myself with a few reservations. Unfortunately, what followed was much too serious to oversight. All the basis of what had been our tradition after the moral reforms were trashed. All traditionalist voices were silent, even those IÆd expect to hear from someone as Yonis Ardishapur himself. Every major agent and authority went along with what was made, and the masses prepare to join that mob too. All in the name of a war and all in the name of a champion as Jamyl Sarum. DonÆt get me wrong, Sarum was one of my champions and favorites. IÆve always believed it would take a strong leadership and role model like her, with strong views and true amarrian blood and heritage on its veins, to turn the empire back on GodÆs way. Yet, all but maybe blood was drained from that role model that is no more. Strong views turned much too short and heritage was simply left to the pigeons. Horm and the current TetrimonÆs are just one more sign of the times we face and what we are no longer. They will oversight the principles in the name of a ôgreater goodö as its usually called. I say, greater goods and greater causes are only given to those deserving and not to those who follow the tides. Hail Amarr!
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.01 21:23:00 - [152] Originally by: Avel Kereka Originally by: Vlad Cetes That's the point you fail to see. Your religion that forces you to believe everything must be legitimate blinds you. A dictatorship does not need legitimacy for anyone who questions it can be disposed of. Have you ever been a dictator, Mr. Cetes? Do you know what it is like to have your people overwhelm your guards, or have a knife slipped into your back? Perhaps you're Caldari, so you'd commit suicide before suffering that dishonour; but never forget that all power rests on some sort of foundation and short of being a deity you will make a mistake if you get too arrogant and tyrannical. Do you know what is the foundation of a dictatorship? Fear. Fear of the army, fear of the leader. Would the people even attempt to storm the guards, knowing that they were not only forfeiting their own lives, but those of their family and loved ones as well. When the masses are beaten into submission through force and fear, their is no where for dissent for form. When any scent of dissent is rooted out and brutally exorcised, it has a deterrent effect on others. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.10.01 23:22:00 - [153] Originally by: Vlad Cetes Do you know what is the foundation of a dictatorship? Fear. Fear of the army, fear of the leader. Would the people even attempt to storm the guards, knowing that they were not only forfeiting their own lives, but those of their family and loved ones as well. When the masses are beaten into submission through force and fear, their is no where for dissent for form. When any scent of dissent is rooted out and brutally exorcised, it has a deterrent effect on others. I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point. The best control is not exerted through fear, well, not completely through fear, but respect. Sometimes, yes, respect walks hand in hand with fear, but it is the respect that will keep things in order. Unfortunately for the Empire, I'm picking up little respect and a lot of fear towards Lady Sarum.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.10.02 00:47:00 - [154] Originally by: Khan Rodak Yet, all but maybe blood was drained from that role model that is no more. Strong views turned much too short and heritage was simply left to the pigeons. It's a fine line we walk. One could argue that the traditional ways had decayed to such a point that we were blathering on about peace as the other Empires picked at our carcass; others, that tradition must be adhered to no matter where it takes us. If it becomes self-defeating, do we still follow it? Or do we break its rotten shell in the hopes of restoring it to what it once was, regardless of the cost? It's a fine line we walk.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.10.02 02:12:00 - [155] Originally by: Sepherim a governor has to be elected, has to create law according to the Constitution, and has to leave his office after four years for a new election to take place. It's five years for the federal Legislature and the office of President. Planetary and local governors, many go by 5 years but it varries from planet to planet, and city/town municipalities might hold council elections as often as once a year.
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.10.02 22:38:00 - [156] A Biography of our Empress. Quote: Jamyl is one of very few female heiressÆ in the history of the Amarr Empire. Not only that, but she is also one of the more belligerent and aggressive of the heirs. Early on she became renown for her lust for battle and her father secured a command post within the Amarr military when she was still in her early twenties. By 30 she had established herself as a fearsome fighter, never shirking from an encounter; as well as a resourceful and cunning leader. In her time Jamyl has served both as Commander of the Imperial Fleet and as War Minister, in both cases the first time a woman has held such a position. JamylÆs views about the world are very the same as those of most military leaders through the ages - she sees the world in black and white and is totally convinced that the Amarr Empire is the greatest of the empires. She firmly believes that it was a big mistake to renounce the Reclaiming, the effort to conquer the whole world, and it is widely understood that if she would ever become empress (there has ever only been one Amarr empresses in the past) the empire would turn sharply from its current policy of peace and compromising to a much more aggressive and expansionist one. - Logistics Frigates
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.10.03 00:39:00 - [157] Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Sepherim a governor has to be elected, has to create law according to the Constitution, and has to leave his office after four years for a new election to take place. It's five years for the federal Legislature and the office of President. Planetary and local governors, many go by 5 years but it varries from planet to planet, and city/town municipalities might hold council elections as often as once a year. Thank you Miss Brightman, I ignored those small details, it is good to know them. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.03 03:40:00 - [158] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 03/10/2008 03:40:35 Quote: Jamyl is one of very few female heiress’ in the history of the Amarr Empire. Not only that, but she is also one of the more belligerent and aggressive of the heirs. Early on she became renown for her lust for battle and her father secured a command post within the Amarr military when she was still in her early twenties. By 30 she had established herself as a fearsome fighter, never shirking from an encounter; as well as a resourceful and cunning leader. In her time Jamyl has served both as Commander of the Imperial Fleet and as War Minister, in both cases the first time a woman has held such a position. Jamyl’s views about the world are very the same as those of most military leaders through the ages - she sees the world in black and white and is totally convinced that the Amarr Empire is the greatest of the empires. She firmly believes that it was a big mistake to renounce the Reclaiming, the effort to conquer the whole world, and it is widely understood that if she would ever become empress (there has ever only been one Amarr empresses in the past) the empire would turn sharply from its current policy of peace and compromising to a much more aggressive and expansionist one. And in light of all this the Amarr still, without sarcasm, ask us why we don't want to play nice with them. I ask you. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.10.03 10:39:00 - [159] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And in light of all this the Amarr still, without sarcasm, ask us why we don't want to play nice with them. I ask you. It's Because your French, Not much better than the Tribals. - Logistics Frigates
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.10.03 11:50:00 - [160] "JamylÆs views about the world are very the same as those of most military leaders through the ages - she sees the world in black and white and is totally convinced that the Amarr Empire is the greatest of the empires. She firmly believes that it was a big mistake to renounce the Reclaiming, the effort to conquer the whole world, and it is widely understood that if she would ever become empress (there has ever only been one Amarr empresses in the past) the empire would turn sharply from its current policy of peace and compromising to a much more aggressive and expansionist one." Power, Mighty and Wars. And people still wonder why she is perfect to rule, even for Sani Sabik standards. ...every fire needs a little bit help

Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.03 13:14:00 - [161] The time has come, Today is the day, Let the heiress be queen, Let us all pray. Amarr Victor - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Nuran Mukadder Amarr Athra Legio Triarii	Posted - 2008.10.03 13:25:00 - [162] Originally by: Avel Kereka One could argue that the traditional ways had decayed to such a point that we were blathering on about peace as the other Empires picked at our carcass; others, that tradition must be adhered to no matter where it takes us. If it becomes self-defeating, do we still follow it? Or do we break its rotten shell in the hopes of restoring it to what it once was, regardless of the cost? That's a very good point, mr. Kereka. It's worth reminding that every single tradition we adhere to this day was, at its own time, revolutionary actions. Only the belief in the Light must be true and sincere troughout the ages.
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.10.03 13:26:00 - [163] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques Edited by: Aloriana Jacques on 03/10/2008 13:15:58 The time has come, Today is the day, Let the heiress be queen, Let all Amarr pray. Amarr Victor AMARR VICTOR LONG LIVE SARUM LONG LIVE JAMYL - Logistics Frigates
Dismus Gallente Universal Star	Posted - 2008.10.03 18:31:00 - [164] Originally by: Amira Silvermist Now who would that be? Why, would that not be Falek Grange and his ilk? I've heard things about the welfare of that man... terrible things. A former immortal now, is this not true? A capsuleer with his "wings clipped," as it is said. How profoundly peculiar. For a man so dedicated to his faith... to his god... well, for a man like that, he certainly has been afforded little protection. To fall from such a position to the state of a mere mortal... why, surely he must, in actuality, be a sinner of colossal proportions. In fact... I seem to remember hearing some rather terrible stories of this man. A true servant to his faith, he must have been. scoffs Originally by: Draeca Domi isn't ugly, it actually looks quite symphatic. I mean, a crossbreed of a whale and a potato.. Now how cute is that?
Darius Shakor Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.03 21:31:00 - [165] And so it is done. This means nothing more than a new target officially on the firing line for assassins. Your demon God did not save your last ruler, Amarr. If she foolishly passes within range of my guns, I will do everything I can to ensure he fails to protect this one too. Who knows though, maybe she will just clone herself again... ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.10.04 13:21:00 - [166] This discussion has no more meaning anymore. We have the Voice of God again with us, and listening to it we will set forth and Reclaim the Minmatarr again. Long live the Empire, long live Empress Jamyl I! Amarr Victor!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.04 17:19:00 - [167] Originally by: Bast's Cleric It's Because your French, Not much better than the Tribals. I'm sorry, what? Got something wrong with my translator here, and running that sentence through it again doesn't seem to help. Can you please rephrase it? ((OOC: Nice roleplaying there. The French were only around like, what, 20 millenia ago, and we know about 0.1% of what went on before the EVE gate collapse?))
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.04 17:25:00 - [168] hang the heretical ***** tbh.


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