Originally by: Malcanis

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Having a Falcon in gang (ie: usually me) means that we are willing to engage larger gangs than the one we're in.

Although lately I've been telling FCs to get bent: I'm bored of jamming, and it's someone else's turn.

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Originally by: LadyLubU2

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Falcons destroyed the last tiny bit of solo pvp c/d?

Nerf falcons, no ship should be able to make sure 3-4 people get removed from the battlefield..

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Originally by: ArmyOfMe

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Stuart Price

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Originally by: LadyLubU2

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Falcons destroyed the last tiny bit of solo pvp c/d?

Nerf falcons, no ship should be able to make sure 3-4 people get removed from the battlefield..

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No you're absolutely right. Nerf the Falcon's jamming ability - it can always use it's other abilities to... oh.

Nerf weapons, it's not right that one ship can *potentially* blow up 3 or 4 others. In other news, Falcons are a) not quite as obscenely powerful as many seem to think and b) very, very fragile.

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How about nerfing their range down to 100km? That way they can only be used in gangs as support jammers and not 200km immune to interception pocket aces.

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once the nano nerf is out i will agree that the range of the falcon jammers need to be nerfed, but atm they dont as current nano ships can be on top of a faclon in no time

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dunno if you have tried the changes, but i can promise you that my interceptor with the nano changes that was on sisi was nowere near the same speed as i have on tq.

closer to 1/3 of it actually

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Originally by: ArmyOfMe

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Originally by: BiggestT

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dunno if you have tried the changes, but i can promise you that my interceptor with the nano changes that was on sisi was nowere near the same speed as i have on tq.

closer to 1/3 of it actually

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1/3!?
I saw that base speeds were not affected, and thought that the mwd chages and overdrive changes wld affect it a little..
I thought that simply fitting nano-fibres and say one oi would get you to at least 2/3?
Didnt realise it was such a harsh change, or did u just use an overdrive injector fit?

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i used my standard tranq fittings and even upgraded from low to high grade snakes on sisi, and still ships like my vaga went at half the speed it does currently.

so for the falcon the nano nerf is actually quite a big boost as it will be a hell of a lot harder to get in range.
thats why i want the range of ecm to be looked at once the nano nerf happens.

If that doesnt happen we will be back here soon seeing ppl say that the only way to kill a falcon is a sniping bs, and then the whines start again just like ppl whined about having to use specialised ships and mods to stop nanos

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 24/09/2008 15:00:28

Originally by: Malcanis

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So what secondary ability would you give to the Falcon (and Rook) so that they're competitive with the other recons - Minmatar get webs, Gallente get scrams, Amarr get Capwar -because what good is a whopping 3-slot tank (very generous of you, btw) on a ship as fatally sluggish and so utterly lacking DPS (2 unbonused launcher slots!) as a Falcon?

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With some tweaks to ecm strength and range a drone bay would be in order. The ability to jam would be still the same. Added dps with drones and extra mids, by making ecm stacking nerfed but more efficient, for tank. The shorter range though would make it counterable by a wider range of ships. It would still jam very effective in a gang and would be able to protect itself against immediate tackle with neut and drones.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: BiggestT

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Caldari t2 cruisers never have, or will they ever have, drone bays.

Face it Lyria you just want one ship that ACTUALLY makes EVE not-so-easy for your uber little amarrian char and u can just take out everything with pulses.

Plz FLY our ships before demanding nerfs, i havnt ever, nor will i ever, propose a nerf for a ship that i havnt flown.

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Actually I have a max skilled falcon alt. I do know what it can do but unlike you I don't 100% rely on the fact that I have a falcon to win engagements.

You really have to face the reason why we are seeing hordes of falcons in eve and its only going to get worse after the speed nerf.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: BiggestT

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If you do have a falcon alt, then ud realise that they are far from perfect at not the "iwin" button their made out to be.

Saying itll pwn when added after a solo situation is just silly, as any additional recon will turn the tide in your favour.

Oh and if falcons are so great why dont u AND ur alt fly them?
oh maybe coz they cant tank, have no dps etc..hey they ARENT so over-powered

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Actually falcons are iwin buttons. They totally tilt small gang/solo engagements, especially when sub BS ships are involved. If you know you might be up against falcons you bring BS because eccm is only worth putting on a BS basically. This tilts the game towards BS slugfest + falcons and that is not what I would like to see.

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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If you're solo and come up against a Falcon you're dead. relieved that its not a curse, pilgrim, rapier, arazu or any other recon ship that wld actually have half a chance of being dangerous..You then proceed to warp off, laughing at how his TWO launchers hit u for 10 dmg before u leave grid.
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler

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Falcons are really starting to grip my shit.
I can fly one but stopped because jamming is boring, and I don't think anyone in my corp is in posession of one atm.
I don't mind seeing the odd one cutting about with a gang, but certain opponents (Ruskies mainly) I've encountered their gangs consist of 25%-50% Falcons. You can harp on all you want about ECCM, sniper BS etc but you can't really do shit when you engage a 3-4 man gang and then they have 3 Falcons decloak on you.

Introduce a stacking nerf for jammers (like damps) First Jammer hits you for full whack, IE strength of 10 (standard)
Second hits you for 7
Third hits you for 4
Or however the stacking penalties work.

Wouldn't be too hard to implement I think and would act as a great equalizer. Falcons would still be useful against multiple targets but unable to anally violate single ships.

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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To everyone assumed you would be 1v1 against a Falcon: no. You never meet a Falcon 1v1. I'm saying if you're solo and you come up against a ****ing failship+falcon; you're dead.

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Originally by: Merin Ryskin

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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/09/2008 04:30:09

Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde

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I'm of the opinion the real Falcon Problem started when, simultaniously, sensor dampeners were reduced in versitility via scripts and Caldari ECM bonuses were raised inexplicably from 10 to 15%.

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ECM bonuses were increased twice:

The first time was the ECM nerf, all Caldari ECM ships got an increased bonus to compensate for a massive nerf to the modules themselves. The idea was to keep the dedicated ships working fine, but nerf the random multispec-of-doom on every ship with a spare midslot. This was neither a nerf nor a boost to the dedicated ships, it simply shifted the origin of ECM strength from the base stats to the bonus.

The second was when the Falcon got its increased bonus changed to match the Rook's. This corrected the mistake where the Falcon was the only force recon that had weaker ewar than its combat recon counterpart.

Neither of these were "inexplicably".




And I love the hillarious Falcon whining in this thread. How many people here actually realize that the Falcon is NOT the most dangerous ECM ship? It's either the Rook (more sensor range, more sensor strength to resist counter-jamming) or the Scorpion (jams like a Falcon with more buffer, anti-Falcon cruise missiles, and a fraction of the price tag). The Falcon's advantages only become relevant in scouting and hiding its presence, once the fight actually starts, you'd be better off with the other ship. Nerf Falcons and you'll just have Rook/Scorpion whining.

Now re-read the part where it says "you know the Falcon is there", and fix your answers appropriately.

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Originally by: sdthujfg

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Originally by: Imaos

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Aren't you the alt who posted that there are more arazu alts than falcon alts and arazus are fine in another thread?

Imaos

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Uhm no?

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Originally by: sdthujfg

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Originally by: BiggestT

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What exactly is your argument?
(just so i can shut it down for you )

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Argument is really: If you think falcon is op then you either are lying or a n00b.

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Originally by: Siddy

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how does polar bear know what Falcon is, if its cloaked?

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