Following a thorough internal review CCP has decided to respond to this clear violation of our Terms of Service

Dear CCP, you just removed over 10'000 votes, comprising over 1/6th of the people actually caring enough to vote from the election.

I am one of those, who lost their vote.

You claim, and I quote your devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 here:


Please point out to me which rule in the TOS was violated. If you care to re-watch your stream, you will notice that the offender incited others to perform a TOS violation, which is NOT listed as actionable TOS violation itself. The offender did in this case NOT abuse or harrass the other player, he at most incited others to do so. This is NOT covered in the TOS. It is also not "a clear violation of our Terms of Service".

I - and many others - agree that it was unacceptable behaviour. But it is not against your current ToS to incite others to do something against the ToS.

You, CCP, decided to base your decision of throwing away over 10'000 votes on the ToS. As one directly affected, I demand that you clarify exactly where and when - with timestamps on the video please - which rule of the ToS was violated. Or come out and say that it was a unilateral decision you took and what steps you intend to follow up with, to recompense over 10'000 votes you decided seemingly arbitrarily to throw away.

I call this an election fraud until shown the "clear ToS" violation.

Yours,

a very disappointed voter. I na+»vely thought you had changed.

Dear CCP, you just removed over 10'000 votes, comprising over 1/6th of the people actually caring enough to vote from the election.

I am one of those, who lost their vote.

You claim, and I quote your devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 here:


Please point out to me which rule in the TOS was violated. If you care to re-watch your stream, you will notice that the offender incited others to perform a TOS violation, which is NOT listed as actionable TOS violation itself. The offender did in this case NOT abuse or harrass the other player, he at most incited others to do so. This is NOT covered in the TOS. It is also not "a clear violation of our Terms of Service".

I - and many others - agree that it was unacceptable behaviour. But it is not against your current ToS to incite others to do something against the ToS.

You, CCP, decided to base your decision of throwing away over 10'000 votes on the ToS. As one directly affected, I demand that you clarify exactly where and when - with timestamps on the video please - which rule of the ToS was violated. Or come out and say that it was a unilateral decision you took and what steps you intend to follow up with, to recompense over 10'000 votes you decided seemingly arbitrarily to throw away.

I call this an election fraud until shown the "clear ToS" violation.

Yours,

a very disappointed voter. I na+»vely thought you had changed.

Dear CCP, you just removed over 10'000 votes, comprising over 1/6th of the people actually caring enough to vote from the election.

I am one of those, who lost their vote.

You claim, and I quote your devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 here:


Please point out to me which rule in the TOS was violated. If you care to re-watch your stream, you will notice that the offender incited others to perform a TOS violation, which is NOT listed as actionable TOS violation itself. The offender did in this case NOT abuse or harrass the other player, he at most incited others to do so. This is NOT covered in the TOS. It is also not "a clear violation of our Terms of Service".

I - and many others - agree that it was unacceptable behaviour. But it is not against your current ToS to incite others to do something against the ToS.

You, CCP, decided to base your decision of throwing away over 10'000 votes on the ToS. As one directly affected, I demand that you clarify exactly where and when - with timestamps on the video please - which rule of the ToS was violated. Or come out and say that it was a unilateral decision you took and what steps you intend to follow up with, to recompense over 10'000 votes you decided seemingly arbitrarily to throw away.

I call this an election fraud until shown the "clear ToS" violation.

Yours,

a very disappointed voter. I na+»vely thought you had changed.

Dear CCP,

a very disappointed voter. I na+»vely thought you had changed.

CCP has removed CSM members in the past for TOS/EULA violations. This situation is no different whatsoever.

Dear CCP, you just removed over 10'000 votes, comprising over 1/6th of the people actually caring enough to vote from the election.

If you cared to read my posting, you'd see that I want them to point out the rule in the ToS that he has aledgedly violated. Directly harassing someone is against the ToS. Telling others to do so, is not. I want CCP to exactly define their ToS, since apparently we all might hang in much deeper if they start to lay it out as they wish and not as it is written.

If you cared to read my posting, you'd see that I want them to point out the rule in the ToS that he has aledgedly violated. Directly harassing someone is against the ToS. Telling others to do so, is not. I want CCP to exactly define their ToS, since apparently we all might hang in much deeper if they start to lay it out as they wish and not as it is written.

Its that one that says we can band or removed you for any reasons etc.

C. User Content
The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").
User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child pornographic or harmful to minors;

a very disappointed voter. I na+»vely thought you had changed.

More goon tears, tsk. I know you guys aren't too good with TOS and EULA's so here's help...

Courtesy of the EULA:



Fanfest is a user-to-user area. It's a CCP event for EVE players broadcast by CCP to the EVE community via CCP's systems.

I was threatened with a ban for asking people to "boo" someone on the message board, that's not "in-game" either, but the EULA covers the usage of the message boards as part of the EVE ecosystem, which also covers EVE's fanfest.

Guess what? Inciting a mob of people to harass someone so he commits suicide is against quite a few statutes, rules, regulations and laws around most of the civilized world.

also in the ToS numbers 1, and possibly 3 and 7 are applicable too

That is precisely what I want to hear from CCP. "We removed 10'000 votes just so". As I wrote in the OP, it's electoral fraud.

it's electoral fraud.

fraud

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

CCP has removed CSM members in the past for violations of their TOS/EULA. They reserve that right. They can even disband teh entire CSM is they choose to.

I can Only say HTFU goons.

Dear CCP, you just removed over 10'000 votes, comprising over 1/6th of the people actually caring enough to vote from the election.

I am one of those, who lost their vote.

You claim, and I quote your devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 here:


Please point out to me which rule in the TOS was violated. If you care to re-watch your stream, you will notice that the offender incited others to perform a TOS violation, which is NOT listed as actionable TOS violation itself. The offender did in this case NOT abuse or harrass the other player, he at most incited others to do so. This is NOT covered in the TOS. It is also not "a clear violation of our Terms of Service".

I - and many others - agree that it was unacceptable behaviour. But it is not against your current ToS to incite others to do something against the ToS.

You, CCP, decided to base your decision of throwing away over 10'000 votes on the ToS. As one directly affected, I demand that you clarify exactly where and when - with timestamps on the video please - which rule of the ToS was violated. Or come out and say that it was a unilateral decision you took and what steps you intend to follow up with, to recompense over 10'000 votes you decided seemingly arbitrarily to throw away.

I call this an election fraud until shown the "clear ToS" violation.

Yours,

a very disappointed voter. I na+»vely thought you had changed.

More goon tears, tsk. I know you guys aren't too good with TOS and EULA's so here's help...

Courtesy of the EULA:



Fanfest is a user-to-user area. It's a CCP event for EVE players broadcast by CCP to the EVE community via CCP's systems.

I was threatened with a ban for asking people to "boo" someone on the message board, that's not "in-game" either, but the EULA covers the usage of the message boards as part of the EVE ecosystem, which also covers EVE's fanfest.

Guess what? Inciting a mob of people to harass someone so he commits suicide is against quite a few statutes, rules, regulations and laws around most of the civilized world.

You may play EVE using CCP's proprietary software (the "Software") that allows you to log into CCP's computer system (the "System") online and interact within the game environment created by CCP. To play, CCP requires that you review and agree to the following terms and conditions.

C. User Content
The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").
User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child pornographic or harmful to minors;