The only shame for CCP that I feel is allowing a bunch of douchebags to soil their stage and convention.

CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.

You know what would have averted this entire thing?

"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"

or even simpler

"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"

CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.

You know what would have averted this entire thing?

"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"

or even simpler

"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"

A little. It would be cool if people would stop creating new threads about the subject, but i don't think that's going to happen.

I was excited watching the fanfest but i was left with the old question - When?

The news about a dynamic camera, tactical overview and realistic damage really got my attention but idk when or if we will see that stuff.

Agree, manchild do need a babysitter

CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.

You know what would have averted this entire thing?

"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"

or even simpler

"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"

First goon post I've seen that acknowledges the actual problem. Interesting.

Drunk people certainly do, especially if they're representing your company in what is apparently an official venue. Doubly so when you know the subject matter of their presentation beforehand.

Other members did fine(well except that wizard's girlfriend, seliine, selaane or something...).

CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.

You know what would have averted this entire thing?

"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"

or even simpler

"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"

But yeah just look over the slides next year CCP would have only taken 5 minutes and this could have been easily avoided, doesn't help that someone ~snitched~ and went to the media tho instead of going through the correct channels and creating a threadnaught

First goon post I've seen that acknowledges the actual problem. Interesting.

They did look over the slides this year, as per their own devblog on the subject. They were fine with him making fun of the guy, but not with his Q&A comments. It's one of the big reasons you see threads asking for clarification on what constitutes harassment.

So, everything was perfectly fine until wizard opened hes mouth.

First goon post I've seen that acknowledges the actual problem. Interesting.

I agree with OP 100%.

This has got nothing to do with cyber-bullying and everything to do with people hating The Mittani, most of the people baying for blood are just as bad, if not worse. They are nothing more then a bunch of vile hypocrites. In their campaign of hate they have not only seriously tarnished CCP's reputation, they have utterly destroyed what was the most positive and hopeful atmosphere I have seen on these forums in a long time.

CCP have clearly worked extremely hard on delivering what we've all been demanding for so long, and delivering it in a very successful fanfest. The community brats repay them by kicking up a storm about something that could have easily been resolved without them.

I feel really deflated after what was such a great time, I can only imagine how CCP staff must be feeling right now. Yes, what The Mittani did was wrong and he should suffer the consequences. But thanks to many brats on here who have confused hating an in-game persona with hating a real person and then crucifying him when he makes an ill-judged mistake to the point where the media have got involved; we've all been dragged through the mud.

Only the worst kind of idiot could see this as any kind of victory.

for something that was ultimately completely beyond their control

You may agree or disagree on what i,m about to say.



The behaviour of the said person has had a terrible knock on effect for all.



CCP has had to deal with this matter according to the rules of the game and maybe should have closed down the panel as things got out of hand.



We the players have suffered with our reputation as the CSM does represent us and then the anger that followed divided us on the forums. This only makes us out to being a rabble instead of the mature players we are.


We now need all to move on as one community (Players and CCP).

Its sad that CCP is captive of this no lifers, fat, drunk and single guys.

I never vote for this ****. Since the time I joined EVE and saw this guys on stage.

First, don't sell alchool in the Fanfest (I'm serious, people had to die in some stadiums before clubs stoped selling them and blocking the entrance from clearly visible drunked people)
Second, don't give voice to sad individuals that are showing off their cyberwilly
Third, don't give to much power to the players

The only answer I could see was a perma ban. But.... EVE is captive of this guys. You are screwed when you got no balls.

Good to see the more 'reasonable' folks posting around.

I can not agree enough with what you have stated. This could of easily been dealt with civilly, instead it degraded into an angry mob who had nothing but rage and hatred in their hearts. To see the EVE community devolve itself into mindless primates is, quite frankly, disappointing.

Now I do not approve what the Mittani did, let's get this straight, but he has done the steps he has stated he would do and has stepped down as CSM, apologized and gave compensation. Now I believe that CCP would of accepted this as a reasonable apology, but I believe that the hand of Sony and the somewhat immoral 'outcry' of punishment made them reluctantly take the decisions which was imposed upon him.

However, the damage has been done. This has now been relayed to a good number of media outlets and we are now considered 'evil brutes' who thrives in this 'dog eat dog' nature, which while true for some of us, is not true for others.

Our forums will only serve to temper the steeled opinion of the general gaming public to how we act for we have, in essence, done more damage to CCP than TheMittani could ever of done with that panel.

Regardless of your opinion on all the controversy, or whether you even think there should have been any, it seems pretty clear to me that the real losers here are actually CCP

I'm actually quite ambivalent about all this. On the one hand I'm not gonna pretend to have any affection for goons and the irony of what's going on here isn't lost on me. But at the same time if the efforts of Mittens and co. actually do succeed in killing off titans as we currently know them then, regardless of their motivations, I and many others would stand up and applaud

But that's not what I'm talking about

Since Crucible CCP have shown a real dedication to getting back to what we all want. Although I couldn't be there myself I've watched all the fanfest vids and pretty much everything I saw made me look forward to 2012 as an Eve player. The gaming media that matter would have had little choice but to be enthusiastic about it and CCP would have deservedly come out of this looking pretty good. They're communicating, the devs that are in the driving seat are real Eve players, christ even Dust actually looks like it might be worth the hassle

But instead, we've got this ****

Let's face it, from the second this happened CCP couldn't win. Do nothing and they're gonna be crucified by the media who's opinion, sadly, DOES matter and more importantly the Eve playerbase backlash would take us all back to Incarnage. Take action against mittens and well, we get this, an eve playerbase backlash that takes us all back to Incarnage. CCP are now fielding bad press for something that was ultimately completely beyond their control and it's probably not gonna be long before, once again, photoshops of Eve devs burning in hell make an appearance, only this time they won't deserve it

I still love ya CCP

Not anymore.
Holding off on doing something until AFTER Mittens had posted his apology and details of the actions he was taking (after consultation with the CSM), before then taking the action that they did (with obviously zero consultation with the CSM as we see from their posts shortly afterwards by the current delegates) was an incredibly poor show. If you were going to throw the book at him do it from the start and involve the CSM, not wait until after he's posted what actions he's taking (with the support of the current CSM) before you cut them off at the knees...

I disagree with this.

i think an easy solution for CCP is to have a 30 second delay in broadcasting the event. That way they can edit, silence or whatever with the feed

Better to employ someone to do that job for a few hours than alter the theme of Fanfest

The only shame for CCP that I feel is allowing a bunch of douchebags to soil their stage and convention.