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bldyannoyed
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:29:00 -
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Regardless of your opinion on all the controversy, or whether you even think there should have been any, it seems pretty clear to me that the real losers here are actually CCP
I'm actually quite ambivalent about all this. On the one hand I'm not gonna pretend to have any affection for goons and the irony of what's going on here isn't lost on me. But at the same time if the efforts of Mittens and co. actually do succeed in killing off titans as we currently know them then, regardless of their motivations, I and many others would stand up and applaud
But that's not what I'm talking about
Since Crucible CCP have shown a real dedication to getting back to what we all want. Although I couldn't be there myself I've watched all the fanfest vids and pretty much everything I saw made me look forward to 2012 as an Eve player. The gaming media that matter would have had little choice but to be enthusiastic about it and CCP would have deservedly come out of this looking pretty good. They're communicating, the devs that are in the driving seat are real Eve players, christ even Dust actually looks like it might be worth the hassle
But instead, we've got this ****
Let's face it, from the second this happened CCP couldn't win. Do nothing and they're gonna be crucified by the media who's opinion, sadly, DOES matter and more importantly the Eve playerbase backlash would take us all back to Incarnage. Take action against mittens and well, we get this, an eve playerbase backlash that takes us all back to Incarnage. CCP are now fielding bad press for something that was ultimately completely beyond their control and it's probably not gonna be long before, once again, photoshops of Eve devs burning in hell make an appearance, only this time they won't deserve it
I still love ya CC
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Starcaller Dredg
1st Contact
Fade 2 Black
14
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:32:00 -
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The only shame for CCP that I feel is allowing a bunch of douchebags to soil their stage and convention.
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
244
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:34:00 -
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A little. It would be cool if people would stop creating new threads about the subject, but i don't think that's going to happen... |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
253
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:35:00 -
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Nobody wins, everyone loses.
Sad day for all concerned. |
Cylide Askald
Jelly Baby Corporation
Fidelas Constans
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:35:00 -
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Starcaller Dredg wrote:The only shame for CCP that I feel is allowing a bunch of douchebags to soil their stage and convention.
Yeah, **** those Sony guys.
I'm running for CSM:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=836203&#post836203 |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:36:00 -
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Yeah, it really sucks CCP felt they had to bend their rules (however much you want to consider it justifiable, this is not the thread for that) and generally had to deal with this fiasco in the first place.
I just hope this media pressure from the press and Sony doesn't extend into other parts of the game. |
Banderlei Shiiba
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:36:00 -
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CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here. |
Liam Mirren
393
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:37:00 -
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Banderlei Shiiba wrote:CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.
You know what would have averted this entire thing?
"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"
or even simpler
"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"
LOL
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Zevas
Infinite Origins
Shadow Cartel
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:40:00 -
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Drama does seem to be on CCPs critical path, intentionally or otherwise. Just when we move on from one drama the next is just around the corner.
Regardless of whether it is a CCP issue or not, CCP allowed such events/actions to happen, and at the very least facilitated them. For that they must be held responsible and therefore do not get the luxury of people feeling sorry for them. |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
193
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:41:00 -
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Banderlei Shiiba wrote:CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.
You know what would have averted this entire thing?
"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"
or even simpler
"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"
Agree, manchild do need a babysitter
Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
567
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:41:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:A little. It would be cool if people would stop creating new threads about the subject, but i don't think that's going to happen.
I was excited watching the fanfest but i was left with the old question - When?
The news about a dynamic camera, tactical overview and realistic damage really got my attention but idk when or if we will see that stuff.
Yeah those are the things I really wanted to see more about, I'd love to see what the art departement showed during fanfest.
These are the things I want to hear about, not beerfarts and put downs. I hope CCP comes out with a few nice arty blogs to calm some of us with soothing nice graphics and candy (dead horse pos was featured during fanfest also).
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Banderlei Shiiba
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:42:00 -
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TuonelanOrja wrote:Agree, manchild do need a babysitter
Drunk people certainly do, especially if they're representing your company in what is apparently an official venue. Doubly so when you know the subject matter of their presentation beforehand. |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
140
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:44:00 -
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Banderlei Shiiba wrote:CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.
You know what would have averted this entire thing?
"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"
or even simpler
"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"
First goon post I've seen that acknowledges the actual problem. Interesting.
Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Kiandoshia
Gnampf Inc.
24
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:44:00 -
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Why would anyone feel bad? =p They are more or less responsible for anything that happened.
Then again, what actually happened? xD |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:47:00 -
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Ehhhhhhh, I've grown to really appreciate the input/effort the active CCP devs have been putting in. So yeah, I do feel a bit bad for them.
Bad situation that was made overly public and they had to take action for a contingency for which they most likely had no plan. They're aware that the EULA is being stretched a bit, and it sets precedent...but with all that bad press, there was no way to avoid doing *something*
From the outside, it seems huge...but as Mittani himself said, he rarely actually logs in. He laid some foundations in CSM 6 and will more than likely be able to get back on CSM 8. Most of the members in CSM 7 besides him are solid candidates, hopefully they'll continue rocking iterations. (Yes, players want this, yes, yes god yes. No, players don't want that, wtf?) Hopefully we can all just...y'know..move on in a few weeks. Edit: and yeah, it sucks he was thrown under the bus. It does. I really doubt CCP felt comfortable with that decision, but I kinda feel like their hands were tied, in part because of the various online news outlets out there that pounced on it.
Finally, it's a vidya game, and CCP's livelihood. I imagine they were on a bit of a high note following Crucible, most the players were happy and they seemed excited about the unveiling of Dust and Inferno. I really, really doubt they were expecting srs bizness and like 60+ separate threads about this bullshit. |
Sucateira
Space Ambientalists
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:58:00 -
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Its sad that CCP is captive of this no lifers, fat, drunk and single guys.
I never vote for this ****. Since the time I joined EVE and saw this guys on stage.
First, don't sell alchool in the Fanfest (I'm serious, people had to die in some stadiums before clubs stoped selling them and blocking the entrance from clearly visible drunked people)
Second, don't give voice to sad individuals that are showing off their cyberwilly
Third, don't give to much power to the players
The only answer I could see was a perma ban. But.... EVE is captive of this guys. You are screwed when you got no balls. |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen
Test Alliance Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:00:00 -
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I feel bad that some people felt like they needed to take this to the ~gaming media~ |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
83
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:03:00 -
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+1 to CCP. They are trying their hardest and 300k subs cannot lie
Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Banderlei Shiiba
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:04:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:First goon post I've seen that acknowledges the actual problem. Interesting.
There's no one "problem" here, there's several, and they all happened to collide at once. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
29
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:04:00 -
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I feel bad they didn't deal with it sooner rather than wait till it got so big.
I feel bad that the punishments they dish out don't seem commensurate to the crime more to who you are.
Tal
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
378
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:04:00 -
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Yeah, I feel sorry for CCP, they were ****** if they do, ****** if they don't. And hands tied with the EULA/TOS.
However the biggest losers in all this are the common goons. Their propaganda effort was a terrible failure. Their futile, parroting downplay shitpoasting made them look like real sociopaths before the banning, and now the guys who "enjoy pubbie tears and want to destroy the game for others" cry far more than I've ever seen a poor, ganked carebear noob cry.
I used to have respect for the Goonswarm and thought they got a kind of cool thing going, but that's been swept away by the staggering amount idiocy they've managed to spill on the forums during these days.
Ironically the man who caused all this and betrayed his constituency walked away from the shitstorm pretty much unscathed. Guess that's how it goes, when a clever man leads a bunch of fools.
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Mallikanth
L V B Industries
57
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:07:00 -
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I too feel sorry for CCP who put up and continue to put up a fantastic product (Why else would any of us keep playing it?).
The drama in the game helps sell it.
The drama out of the game often helps destroy it.
Unfortunately I feel that the later often gets more publicity
I also feel sorry for Alex (If I may be so bold as to use the first name of someone I don't really know) as he clearly enjoyed (Enjoys?) his time in Eve as The Mittani. I hope he continues to do so after all this, but free from any constraints of being CSM Chairman and to revel in his role as CEO.
Let now all play Eve and enjoy the game and get all this behind us. Time to move on, Ladies & Gents (and everyone else)
O7
Believe in what they do, not what they say.
Occasionally posts stuff as @Hamerhead
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TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
193
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:08:00 -
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Banderlei Shiiba wrote:TuonelanOrja wrote:Agree, manchild do need a babysitter
Drunk people certainly do, especially if they're representing your company in what is apparently an official venue. Doubly so when you know the subject matter of their presentation beforehand.
Other members did fine(well except that wizard's girlfriend, seliine, selaane or something...).
Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
250
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:10:00 -
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CCP is, simply put, a drama magnet.
That in part is due to their close proximity to their player base - they actively engage with it, and recruit from it. That may, or may not, be a good thing depending upon your perspective.
CCP has in general engaged most significantly with its most ardent supporters but the company probably recognises there is a risk in doing so - the line between fan, fanaticism and out right mental instability is, as ever, a thin one. Could CCP do a better job in this respect? Almost certainly but I dont see much evidence of either a corporate culture in that regard or in the structure and responsibilities of their staff.
Having said this, CCP Unifex strikes me as a sensible and pragmatic person and one who is capable of sharing in the passion of the game its player base has, whilst restraining himself from the impulse to over hype and under deliver. Perhaps that 'roller coaster' environment will change as a result.
C. |
Banderlei Shiiba
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:11:00 -
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TuonelanOrja wrote:Other members did fine(well except that wizard's girlfriend, seliine, selaane or something...).
So what do you take away from that? That it was inconceivable that a drunk person could/would say something mind-numbingly ********? Or that it was a minor miracle that only one did? |
MIkhail Illiad
Fevered Imaginings
DSM FOUNDATION
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:17:00 -
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Banderlei Shiiba wrote:CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.
You know what would have averted this entire thing?
"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"
or even simpler
"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"
I approve of this level headed view from a goon.
I do feel for CCP tho, its never fun to be caught up in a s**tstorm =/
But yeah just look over the slides next year CCP would have only taken 5 minutes and this could have been easily avoided, doesn't help that someone ~snitched~ and went to the media tho instead of going through the correct channels and creating a threadnaught 
On a one man mission against asshatery!-á |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
54
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:19:00 -
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I feel bad it happened to them just when they are headin in the right direction with the game. On the other hand they are the ones who created the hard drinking htfu culture/image in the first place (which i love them for) so really its their own fault. |
Banderlei Shiiba
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:20:00 -
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MIkhail Illiad wrote:But yeah just look over the slides next year CCP would have only taken 5 minutes and this could have been easily avoided, doesn't help that someone ~snitched~ and went to the media tho instead of going through the correct channels and creating a threadnaught
They did look over the slides this year, as per their own devblog on the subject. They were fine with him making fun of the guy, but not with his Q&A comments. It's one of the big reasons you see threads asking for clarification on what constitutes harassment. |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
54
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:20:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Banderlei Shiiba wrote:CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.
You know what would have averted this entire thing?
"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"
or even simpler
"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone" First goon post I've seen that acknowledges the actual problem. Interesting.
You clearly haven't been reading many posts then.
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TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
193
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:26:00 -
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Banderlei Shiiba wrote:MIkhail Illiad wrote:But yeah just look over the slides next year CCP would have only taken 5 minutes and this could have been easily avoided, doesn't help that someone ~snitched~ and went to the media tho instead of going through the correct channels and creating a threadnaught They did look over the slides this year, as per their own devblog on the subject. They were fine with him making fun of the guy, but not with his Q&A comments. It's one of the big reasons you see threads asking for clarification on what constitutes harassment.
So, everything was perfectly fine until wizard opened hes mouth.
Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
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