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Jintlich
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:15:00 -
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Please read following kill mails:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12882871 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12883092 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12834288 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12832570
Since CCP don't think Tornado Boomerang Maneuver is an exploit, now one proper fitted Tornado can suicidal gnak a Freighter or JF in ANY high sec. You can load your fittings into an Ocra after you do your job, so each kill cost you only 50M isk. That means you can get profit by killing a Freighter with 100M ISK cargo. Everyone in EVE, it's time to burn high sec, taste the river of sweet tears!
The tutorial is here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83644 Standard fitting is here: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12834307 and most people think that's fair: http://eve-search.com/thread/84114-1/page/1 |
Nexx Z
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:24:00 -
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Nice kills mate, keep up the good work |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:26:00 -
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I suspect this will get deemed an exploit based on this, but that's pretty effective use of the Boomerang. Props. |
Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
47
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:42:00 -
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Wow! Nice work. Seems the fit was pushed to faster alignment, and used in 0.5/0.6 to maximize the number of shots on target.
Don't consider it an issue because the freighter pilot was obviously AFK.
It would take time to execute this with a single Tornado - a freighter under attack in this manner would have ample time to GTFO.
Perhaps I need to take a break from killing Mackinaws and try some of this. |
slitcho
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:17:00 -
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Yay for CCP approved freighter killing in highsec.
Eve has truly come a long way. |
Tikera Tissant
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:46:00 -
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To be honest it seems way too overpowered.
A single T3 BC killing a frieghter which can't retaliate, can't do nothing as its moving oh so slowly, where even if the player comes out of AFK coma and quickly clicks the "warp to" some place, he will still die.
With all do respect, that is super retarted. Harsh world and all, still, there are limits to that crap. Unless CCP decides to counter it with 3 second freighter align time... And unfit in an orca while waiting for concord to arrive? Is that even possible? I thought it was already not optional.
Also, 25K damage to kill a freighter? Unless he was already deep in hull, I call that BS (and its not API verified).
Tbh I looks like you did it in a low sec system next to it, and just finished him off in the high-sec as he jumped away. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1990
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:53:00 -
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It was AFK so I don't know why you would say it's unfair, especially since you can now autopilot to stations now. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
60
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:59:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:Don't consider it an issue because the freighter pilot was obviously AFK. Except most of these weren't even afk. That Viper Serenity guy is a multiboxing legend. Post with your monkey. |
Tikera Tissant
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:30:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:Buck Futz wrote:Don't consider it an issue because the freighter pilot was obviously AFK. Except most of these weren't even afk. That Viper Serenity guy is a multiboxing legend.
Can you explain the multi-boxing part? It seems to be just 1 ship (or another one doing a tiny bit damage). |
Longinius Spear
Double-Down Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:03:00 -
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This is truely awesome. With how easy it is to vape T1 haulers and now this on frieghters.
Should bring the High sec economy to its knees, if its deemed 'legal' by ccp and doesn't get the nurf bat.
Hmm more reliance on regional manufactureing, less viability of trade hubs... Jita prices would sky rocket because demand would stay constant and supply would deminish. Smaller trade hubs would pop up and small time manufacturing would be actually profitable. Prices of advanced products like t2 hulls, modules, capital hull parts of course would varry from region to region. You would actually need to shop and travel to find the best deal, instead of just flying to amarr and jita to get what you already know is the lowest price. I'm not sure its overal impact on a trade toon, but I'm guessing that less quantity would result in less profit... but that could go both ways.
I like this alot. Total game changer. GO GO you lovely high sec pirate skum!! hats off to your efforts in poking bears with sticks. !!
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Astro Semite
54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:04:00 -
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Tikera Tissant wrote:Grumpymunky wrote:Buck Futz wrote:Don't consider it an issue because the freighter pilot was obviously AFK. Except most of these weren't even afk. That Viper Serenity guy is a multiboxing legend. Can you explain the multi-boxing part? It seems to be just 1 ship (or another one doing a tiny bit damage).
He could just use an alt to bump the freighters, it's really not hard at all to prevent them from reaproaching the gate or warping out.
CCP really need to say what's considered an exploit and what's not though, and make their statement quickly. Just as with the Vindicator situation, people will start copying this tactic. Their best option here would probably be to patch it so any ship with GCC in hisec is completly unable to engage warp.
Until they're able to do something like that they need to either let people gank away, or come with a clear statement saying it's an exploit, and specifiy exactly what the exploit is, and where the boundries for what's acceptable are. |
Tikera Tissant
24
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:19:00 -
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Astro Semite wrote:Tikera Tissant wrote:Grumpymunky wrote:Buck Futz wrote:Don't consider it an issue because the freighter pilot was obviously AFK. Except most of these weren't even afk. That Viper Serenity guy is a multiboxing legend. Can you explain the multi-boxing part? It seems to be just 1 ship (or another one doing a tiny bit damage). He could just use an alt to bump the freighters, it's really not hard at all to prevent them from reaproaching the gate or warping out.
Ok that makes more sense. Thanks. |
Creetalor
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:46:00 -
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It falls in the category of avoiding concord and your not allowed to avoid outrun concord I understand highsec ganking with fleets its perfectly reasonable investment but not with a simple tier 3 and that is it. |
Takoten Yaken
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:36:00 -
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Creetalor wrote:It falls in the category of avoiding concord and your not allowed to avoid outrun concord I understand highsec ganking with fleets its perfectly reasonable investment but not with a simple tier 3 and that is it. wrong |
BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
27
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:58:00 -
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Longinius Spear wrote:This is truely awesome. With how easy it is to vape T1 haulers and now this on frieghters.
Should bring the High sec economy to its knees, if its deemed 'legal' by ccp and doesn't get the nurf bat.
Hmm more reliance on regional manufactureing, less viability of trade hubs... Jita prices would sky rocket because demand would stay constant and supply would deminish. Smaller trade hubs would pop up and small time manufacturing would be actually profitable. Prices of advanced products like t2 hulls, modules, capital hull parts of course would varry from region to region. You would actually need to shop and travel to find the best deal, instead of just flying to amarr and jita to get what you already know is the lowest price. I'm not sure its overal impact on a trade toon, but I'm guessing that less quantity would result in less profit... but that could go both ways.
I like this alot. Total game changer. GO GO you lovely high sec pirate skum!! hats off to your efforts in poking bears with sticks. !!
I agree. Here is the thing I dont think CCP will call this an exploit because the shooter WILL die. Its a matter of who he can find before Concord catches up. Its not like he is going to be able to just warp warp warp warp warp warp warp
It WILL end and he WILL die. Besides I like the idea of more trade space. Stupid bears shouldnt be auto piloting anyways. Lt. Colonel of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:25:00 -
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if u die to concord thats all that matters. u can run as long as u like. concord is there to kill u if u attack someone. it doesent matter if its 30sec's or 10mins if ur dead concord done its jobs. its a exploit to not get killed by concord but runing is ok if u die in the end. |
Brian Purkiss
Hephaestus's Forge Industrial Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:01:00 -
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They way I understand it is that escaping CONCORD is considered an exploit. So in high sec, any kill that does not involve kill rights or GCC is considered an exploit. |
Takoten Yaken
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:05:00 -
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Brian Purkiss wrote:They way I understand it is that escaping CONCORD is considered an exploit. So in high sec, any kill that does not involve kill rights or GCC is considered an exploit. wrong |
Takoten Yaken
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:06:00 -
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evading concord is committing a criminal act and not having your ship blown up
as long as your ship blows up its all good |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:17:00 -
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It won't be considered an exploit until it gets used against goons. Then it'll be a bannable offence within 2 hours. Post with your monkey. |
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:18:00 -
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how many times did you have to warp to the freighter to kill it? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:41:00 -
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Time for some Mass Attack:
"You think high-sec-carebear cares? High-sec-carebear is craaaaaazy, he don't give a ****.
Bring your worst, fool yourselves into acting like you really accomplished something and the general population will shrug you off like they always do and the only ones who will remember will be you as you circle jerk each other over it again and again. " Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "...as if 10,000 Goons cried out and were suddenly silenced" |
Argaral
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:58:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:how many times did you have to warp to the freighter to kill it?
I too would like to know this. Assuming your volley after resists is at least 3k, it's still in the range of 61 times. any non afk freighter pilot should have been able to counter this |
StahlWaffe
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:22:00 -
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I really like where this is going. The only thing i'm not sure yet is:
Should i get an Iteron V and Ninjaloot all those freighter wrecks, or should i get an interceptor and ***** myself on all the tornado killmails and play hero?
Hmhmhm.
I guess Iteron is way more profitable :D
also, @ argaral: Freighters aren't known for their wicked resists, and most of their raw hitpoints is their hull. So the most blows are onto 0 resists, which would take it down to 15-20 warps i guess. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:11:00 -
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[quote=Lady Spank]It was AFK so I don't know why you would say it's unfair, especially since you can now autopilot to stations now.[/quote
If you bump the freighter its not going to warp. ie AFK doesn't matter since you can catch them and bump them as they align away from a gate. If you have an orca pilot account, as increasily people do, its no trouble to also have that pilot or another pilot on the account fly a battleship for bumping duties.
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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:11:00 -
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Reflecting on the content here, I want to alert CCP that it is indeed possible to completely evade CONCORD after blowing up a target in highsec if you can continue warping for 15 minutes. I evaded CONCORD once before in my old Navy Comet (which was deemed NOT AN EXPLOIT) after I entered Yulai and got globally flagged for just being in CONCORD space. So I warped between planets for 15 minutes, getting away safely.
If a Tornado can land multiple volleys on a freighter to kill it then it can escape safely after 15 minutes of warping around which in and of itself is an exploit. So how long does it take until CONCORD should kill you? I think that's the real question here. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:14:00 -
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Argaral wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:how many times did you have to warp to the freighter to kill it? I too would like to know this. Assuming your volley after resists is at least 3k, it's still in the range of 61 times. any non afk freighter pilot should have been able to counter this
Freighter pilots cannot counter bumping. Most hits on a freighter will be for full volley size. its about 200k that needs to be dealt = 16-17 volleys.
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Argaral
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:26:00 -
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Well that info certainly is very interesting to see. |
IsTheOpOver
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Time for some Mass Attack:
"You think high-sec-carebear cares? High-sec-carebear is craaaaaazy, he don't give a ****.
Bring your worst, fool yourselves into acting like you really accomplished something and the general population will shrug you off like they always do and the only ones who will remember will be you as you circle jerk each other over it again and again. "
I can't take it anymore. You keep posting the same crap over and over in each post. Your posting was really bad before you started doing this.
I'm afraid for the first time I will have to reach for the hide posts button.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:23:00 -
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It has been said previously that evading concord is an exploit, so like said earlier, we can expect this to be nerfed.
How to fix can be simple. Just have concord warp to scene of the crime and where player lands. So if you boomerang, they warp to your safespot, and are where your target is at. Maybe we need concord interceptors that will match GCC warp to points. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1393
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:39:00 -
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This might explain the whole "Concord Death Ray" concept that is being considered at CCP right now.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Endeavour Starfleet
788
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:45:00 -
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Evading Concord is an exploit period.
Jita does need to burn but lets be real folks. These guys are heading for a ban. Don't do this. |
Msgerbs
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:28:00 -
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Jintlich wrote:CCP don't think Tornado Boomerang Maneuver is an exploit Source? |
Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:48:00 -
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If you consider this an issue, you should push for being unable to warp once you commit a concordable offense in highsec. Leave concord response times the same, just prevent warping. Just as you cannot cloak once you commit a crime in highsec. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:55:00 -
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CONCORD should warp scramble you long before they fire the omni-damage weapon. That would fix this issue. Might have some really tiny ships pulling this trick, but not tornadoes.
I'd like to see assault frigate boomerang gangs! -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
86
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:57:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Evading Concord is an exploit period.
Jita does need to burn but lets be real folks. These guys are heading for a ban. Don't do this. I highly doubt CCP will take action against the people doing this. The game is very clearly allowing them to do it. But CCP will probably make some change to game mechanics to make it reasonably difficult or impossible to do in the future. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
327
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:27:00 -
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Jita Bloodtear wrote:If you consider this an issue, you should push for being unable to warp once you commit a concordable offense in highsec. Leave concord response times the same, just prevent warping. Just as you cannot cloak once you commit a crime in highsec.
This, or something akin, is probably the best solution, as it changes things the least. My freighter shouldn't be impregnable, but it should take more than a single Tier 3 and a bumping battleship to gank. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
59
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:03:00 -
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Oh hey look we made the forums
and fyi this takes like ******* forever to pull off lawl |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5840
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:10:00 -
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Takoten Yaken wrote:Brian Purkiss wrote:They way I understand it is that escaping CONCORD is considered an exploit. So in high sec, any kill that does not involve kill rights or GCC is considered an exploit. wrong You're quite wrong, yes.
Escaping CONCORD is always an exploit. The only way a Tornado can deliver 180k raw damage in highsec is through a) a wardec; b) kill rights; c) escaping CONCORD (or deliveing 6k DPS, which will most likely be an exploit as well).
Ranger 1 wrote:This might explain the whole "Concord Death Ray" concept that is being considered at CCP right now. It is. The end result won't exactly be that, but something similar: immediately on aggression, they will magically warpscam you; after a pre-determined time depending on sec level, you blow up (and any ships showing up is just decoration GÇö no actual shooting mechanics will be involved). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:31:00 -
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Are they doing it vs afk freighters? Because I don't know how you bump an autopiloting freighter that much in high sec. Bumping a freighter in a cruiser hull does not do anything. Maybe a nano pest can bump pretty good but bumping a freighter is nowhere near as easy as it used to be. I cannot imagine an active player could ever die to this, I bet it takes forever to kill too.
If this is still legal tomorrow I'm gonna do some testing and go nuts. Grats to the gankers, very nice! |
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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
66
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:56:00 -
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Great, so you're just going to get a CONCORD boost imposed on the rest of us that don't want to be massive bell ends. |
Jintlich
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:02:00 -
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Yes you can bump the freighter with your orca, and at the same time ready for picking loots. Once bumped, it cost a freighter minutes to realign. After the last patch, logging off can not save them because they are "engaging by others". Since they can not align, the poor freighter will not warp away automatically. You do not need to pick afk freighters. When they jump to a new system, they are 15 Km from the gate, bump them and get a kill. The only thing these poor freighter fliers may do is seeing their ships pop by gankers, or just self destruct.
All of the law-obeying players are not necessary in EVE, because pirates are sooooooooooo important. that's the rule of CCP. |
Donedy
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:19:00 -
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Can't they jump out? I mean with a cyno? (I dont know the jump range of the JF...) |
Neddy Fox
FireStar Inc Curatores Veritatis Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:34:00 -
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I've died in a freighter to the same tactics, even being active 100% and warping to zero.
Got bumped , and 5 tornados kept shooting / warping until I died. There was litterally nothing you can do against it.
I don't mind the tactics itself, but as a freighter pilot (with no means to fit anything) I petitioned to see if it was a valid tactic, and the response was that it was a valid tactic and that Concord might be slow.
How to balance this (esp. the single tornado killing a freighter) I dont know, but I feel something has to be done to avoid this unbalance.
The risk/reward is completely out of sync , now even transporting 100M worth of crap makes you a valid target, in a ship that can't defend itself. Obviously , being in a NPC corp means that you can't use instawebbing support vessels.
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Donedy
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:09:00 -
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Put guns on freighters CCP! \o/ |
Chi Ana
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:22:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:It won't be considered an exploit until it gets used against goons. Then it'll be a bannable offence within 2 hours.
Butthurt ?
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