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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Strill on 01/10/2008 01:02:14 I love the idea, but it needs the same penalties as a normal cloak. If the penalties aren't high enough, everyone will end up using it all the time which makes things too confusing.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.05 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: ATARI BABY extremely bad idea. can you imagine big fleet fights?
i'll quit eve if that idea become real.
What in the world could this module do for fleet fights?
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.06 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Strill on 06/10/2008 02:43:46
Originally by: ATARI BABY
Originally by: Marquess Magnifico
Originally by: ATARI BABY extremely bad idea. can you imagine big fleet fights?
i'll quit eve if that idea become real.
Can I have your stuff?
sure you can have my stuff. if this idea become real, it mean i didnt understand eve concept and game mechanics. and i'm sure i'll not enjoy with chameleony pvp. than i'll make a contract my stuff to you.
chameleon cloak idea is never gonna happen! eve is situation based game. this kinda extremely surprising tricks not included.
i remember idea about jetison cans. poster thought explosive trap cans would be fun. (probabely you gonna like tis idea) but like i said. this kinda surprise tricks just **ck up combat mechanic. (ecm and cloaking completely different mathematic)
I still don't understand what it would do to fleet fights.
And explosive trap cans are completely different. The Chameleon cloak attracts or dissuades combat ships. Even if a ship falls for it, they're still fit to stand a fighting chance against it, and they have the advantage of the cloak's penalties. On top of that, even if no one fights the cloaker, they're 'hiding in plain sight' so to speak, which gives the attacker the opportunity to plan ahead and arrange counter-countermeasures.
Explosive trap cans, on the other hand, attract and instantly kill non-combat ships. The trap cans attract ships that aren't fit to stand a chance against it, and gives no penalty to the trapper.
Quote: if you cant see this it mean you dont understand something about eve.
sorry for previous short comment coz i thougt u trolling. but omg.. you are serious. that makes your idea worse than troll.
If you're just going to throw around Ad Hominem attacks rather than actually giving any reasons as to why this module would be unbalanced then you're the one who's trolling.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.06 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Strill on 06/10/2008 03:19:47
Quote: original poster just 4 month old player. do you think he know enough?
oh maybe he is just trolling alt.
Again with the Ad Hominem attacks. I'm not going to give you the dignity of a response.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: ATARI BABY intel: 30+ red camping XXX system. all hac's. ah nevermind about shiptypes guys. who knows what they have got actually. lets attack and see.
You didn't read the OP.
HINT:
Originally by: Marquess Magnifico I'd suggest that the Chameleon cloak can only make you look like the same class of ship.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.07 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Strill on 07/10/2008 01:21:56
Originally by: ATARI BABY Edited by: ATARI BABY on 06/10/2008 21:23:17
Originally by: Marquess Magnifico
Originally by: W3370Pi4 i dont like this not one bit . i have no constructive arguments since this is simply useless
Nice troll. There are plenty of uses for this cloak mentioned in this thread.
well op. can you bet on this idea?
both sides told about their idea now its time to wait and see. (no need to argue about how they told. coz i love u all)
can u really bet on this idea?
i'm 3.5 year old player and can bet.
ccp gonna make your cloak coz its really good and fit wery well on eve concept. it means i really dont undersand in 3.5 year.
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its never gonna happen.
which is mean this is really useless idea. (or ccp not make really good decisions?)
now just leave all trolling, aggressive, deconstractive posts and make it fun.
can you bet?
you can set time limit on bet.. and i'll bump this topic every month until the end of your time limit for bet.
i sens stress here and just want to make it more fun. come on.
ATARI BABY, so far you have come up with a total of one scenario where this module would supposedly be overpowered, and you didn't even respond to the person who came up with a counter-argument. All the rest of your posts has been accusing people of being ignorant or stupid. I'd love to actually hear a real argument from you that doesn't include childish accusations of us being too unenlightened to understand your reasons.
And I still wanna know what this chameleon cloak would do for fleet battles. Even if you disguise all your logistics ships as some other cruiser it's going to be obvious that they're logistics ships since no one brings any cruiser other than logistics to a fleet battle. On top of that, you would be better off just using an ordinary cloak! If you use a normal cloak no one knows that the logistics are even there at all!
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.07 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Strill on 07/10/2008 05:33:57
Originally by: ATARI BABY Strill:
i never said that cloaking device is overpowered. its pointless. useless idea. i explained my point. copying and pasting it again. 'eve is a situation based game. this kinda extremely surprising tricks not included.' we got alot of good tactical combinations in current pvp mechanic. really no need to 'what is this ship actually' trick.
I really don't see how this module is all that different from the tactics that are already available. You can already have one person sit outside in a bait ship while others wait inside a station ready to undock and attack. Likewise you can have one scout jump through a gate just before the rest of the group jumps through. All this module does is allow smaller groups to do the same thing at the cost of stats and fitting penalties.
So before you needed one person to sit in a bait ship while the rest of the group hides, now you can do that with a smaller group since the bait ship can participate in the fight as well.
And regardless of how they use the cloak, the penalties and the ship class restriction are more than enough to keep it from being so useful that everyone would want to fit it.
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