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Bai ZongTong Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.10.02 03:44:00 - [1] Somali Pirates Tell Their Side: They Want Only Money So some Somali pirates found an Ukrainian freighter in lowsec, pointed it, and are in the middle of discussing a random while tanking concord. What do you think? --- Bai ZongTong, responsible for all the lossmails in my corp.
Khraunus Amarr Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.02 03:46:00 - [2] Edited by: Khraunus on 02/10/2008 03:52:46 You didn't think pirates were just a myth, did you? I personally would welcome this sort of behaviour. If large corporations and military powers want to take control over the world, then make them work for it.
Bai ZongTong Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.10.02 04:08:00 - [3] Originally by: Khraunus You didn't think pirates were just a myth, did you? i just thought that piracy died out it sounded more like a 14-th century thing. you'd think that with all the sophisticated sensors and electronics that it is possible to avoid incidents like this. i guess i was wrong. either way... --- Bai ZongTong, responsible for all the lossmails in my corp.
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2008.10.02 04:46:00 - [4] There's hundreds of "pirate" attacks each year. Not until recently has it started to become more apparent to the rest of the world.
Noelle Fay SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.10.02 05:43:00 - [5] You just happen to think pirates = swordfights and old cannons. Today, they got speedboats and guns. Not as venturous? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke.
William DeMeo Gallente Genos Occidere deadspace society	Posted - 2008.10.02 05:46:00 - [6] Yeah Somalia has a shitload of pirates. Same goes for the south china sea and some other places. Don't worry though they'll probably just cut your throat and take your stuff. Yarr
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.02 05:56:00 - [7] As horrible as it for those who suffer the attacks the pirates do this as a living. What other way to gain some of the riches in the world of povery that these people live in? Go pirates! EVE PIRATE
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.10.02 08:27:00 - [8] There's plenty of commerce-disrupting piracy these days in the Sulu Straights. I took my name from Jolo, one of the larger towns in the area. The pirates operate small fast speedboats to board large container ships, which are often very sparsely crewed; they then take the cargo vessels to ports where they can be re-registered under a different name and flag. Your Money or Your Life: the journal of a space pirate
DIRTNAPZ	Posted - 2008.10.02 09:00:00 - [9] LOL, you thought pirates were dead in real life? Thats funny. Got a good friend thats a freighter captain, here's what he said. Somalia, this isnt the only case. E coast of africa, all through the philipines, ESPICALLY the straight of malaca, and still even in the carribean... (not so much around S.africa anymore though) its just now its alot more like that movie Capt.Ron, than it is Capt. Jack Sparrow. These guys will come up on speed boats at night as you come into harbor, with uzi's and machine guns will climb your anchor and rob the ship, most times before you ever even dock or know you are missing anything.. if they are found while robing you, the whole ship is dead or ransomed off. Guns and bombs rule the world kids.
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.02 09:39:00 - [10] Edited by: Artemis Rose on 02/10/2008 09:39:13 Modern Piracy is hardly news. In the western world, its not quite as common, but there is quite a few incidents happening in the Indian Ocean as an example. They generally don't get as much press coverage, because its hard to sell newspapers with it I suppose. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Neo Rainhart Caldari Leela's Lamas	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:51:00 - [11] Please refrain from using the W in pirates..it makes my eyes bleed
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Ka Jolo There's plenty of commerce-disrupting piracy these days in the Sulu Straights. I took my name from Jolo, one of the larger towns in the area. The pirates operate small fast speedboats to board large container ships, which are often very sparsely crewed; they then take the cargo vessels to ports where they can be re-registered under a different name and flag. Actually they ransom the vessels & crews & cargo for release. Shipping companies who owned the ransomed vessel are rather desperate to pay, as even a small general cargo ship can be valued anywhere between 1-15M USD, depending on the size, and excluding cargo value. The net losses for said companies are astronomical because they are usually on charter to (employed by) seperate companies, so not only do they have to deal with the financial strain of releasing their ship from the pirates, but also ensuring the cargo in said ship is returned/delivered to its rightful owner/original destination. The legal costs and paperwork involved are a headache for the Shipping company, so they pay up - half the reason why pirate hijackings have become so prevalant around Somali is because their targets do pay up - with very little in the way of consequence (although France recently commando'd their asses). Then of course there is the crew safety. Vessels are recorded under a unique code called an IMO number, so if a ransom is refused the pirates simply strip the ship apart and sell the scrap metal to Indian/Bangladesh demolition buyers. Moreover, while the pirates who board the hijacked vessels may only number up to a maximum of 50, the entire operation around Somalia is so large that it is responsible for a good deal of regeneration in the area - there are huge numbers of people involved; there are those that house and feed and generally look after the hostages, those responsible for the diplomatic negotiation of ransom, those responsible for the laundering of goods/vessels if the money is not paid, and those that offload the cargo of a ship into the coastal towns. Just thought I'd like to add that a broker in the shipping company I work for has actually sold the Faina (the ship with 33 T-72 tanks onboard currently being ransomed), although before it was sold to its current owners. To date this is the largest value vessel they have hijacked (although they did not anticipate its cargo). (btw Verone's sig is far more original & generally better than yours)
Atedar Kerane	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:37:00 - [13] The cargo ship had loads of weapons on board? Why didn't the crew just grab the weapons and shot them in their faces??
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Atedar Kerane The cargo ship had loads of weapons on board? Why didn't the crew just grab the weapons and shot them in their faces?? health and safety
Orar Ironfist Digital assassins	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Bai ZongTong Originally by: Khraunus You didn't think pirates were just a myth, did you? i just thought that piracy died out it sounded more like a 14-th century thing. you'd think that with all the sophisticated sensors and electronics that it is possible to avoid incidents like this. i guess i was wrong. either way... piracy never died out it just left the publics vision. to think that just because guns and technology improved piracy died is fail tbh.
Feilamya Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:35:00 - [16] Quote: “Our concern is right now making sure that there’s a peaceful resolution to this, that this cargo does not end up in the hands of anyone who would use it in a way that would be destabilizing to the region,” Mr. Morrell told reporters at the Pentagon. He said the United States government was not involved in any negotiations with the pirates. He also said he had no information about reports that the pirates had exchanged gunfire among themselves. And they wouldn't have thought of this if the ship hadn't be hijacked by pirates? This freighter full of weapons was heading somewhere, most likely to a customer that might use the stuff "in a way that would be destabilizing to the region". And nobody gave a ** until it was hijacked. Or maybe Mr. Morrell's real concern is that the weapons might be used by the wrong side in a way that is destabilizing to the region in the wrong way**? What does "destabilizing" actually mean in a region where everything is FUBAR anyway?
Red zeon Caldari Circle of Shadows Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:44:00 - [17] well atleast they dont suicide gank as the arabs does :P
Feilamya Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Noelle Fay You just happen to think pirates = swordfights and old cannons. Today, they got speedboats and guns. Not as venturous? Just like in real life ... I mean in EVE.
Menage'a Trois	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Orar Ironfist piracy never died out it just left the publics vision. to think that just because guns and technology improved piracy died is fail tbh. That would be like saying the advent of computers has made theft for criminals impossible.. if anything it makes them more of an elite group of counter culture that is extremely good at what they do compared to the train/bank robbers of the past. The countries where this occurs as well generally don't have a budget to deal with it, let alone the fact it isn't in their best interest to take away their citizens livelyhood.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:03:00 - [20] Run away! He's got a pointy stick!!! --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!!
Bigeasy Caldari It's A Trap	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:35:00 - [21] I wonder if they will drop good loot? Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
DIRTNAPZ International House of PWNCakes	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:46:00 - [22] LOL, somalia is right on the canal too, its like they have a perma gate camp set-up just watching for nice loot to come through suez.
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.10.02 19:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Bigeasy I wonder if they will drop good loot?
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.10.03 00:31:00 - [24] Edited by: Ka Jolo on 03/10/2008 00:39:10 Originally by: Father Dibbles (btw Verone's sig is far more original & generally better than yours) I agree. Originally by: Father Dibbles Actually they ransom the vessels & crews & cargo for release....Vessels are recorded under a unique code called an IMO number, so if a ransom is refused the pirates simply strip the ship apart and sell the scrap metal to Indian/Bangladesh demolition buyers. Some pirates simply rob crews of their cash and the cash intended for port fees; others seize vessels for ransom; but yes, other pirates actually steal entire vessels and acquire new identities for them. Such ships are then used to load legitimate cargoes, which are promptly stolen, at which time the vessel is again re-registered; wash, rinse, repeat. Quote: Entire cargoes, ranging from costly alloys to sugar, can disappear along with the ships carrying them. These vessels then reappear as "phantom" ships with fake documents and new names, taking on fresh cargoes from unsuspecting shippers and vanishing again. Time Magazine Quote: In some cases, pirates have forced the crew off a ship and sailed it to a port, where they repaint the vessel and give it a new identity through false papers. National Geographic Quote: regardless of how your "Phantom Ship" is acquired, the next steps are to repaint her, rename her and reflag her--it being very convenient to obtain temporary registration through a registration office at either your local Panamanian or Honduran Consulate. The Law Offices of Countryman & McDaniel Your Money or Your Life: the journal of a space pirate
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:07:00 - [25] Edited by: Father Dibbles on 03/10/2008 19:14:54 Originally by: Ka Jolo Tasty Research 10/10 for effort. All articles unsourced (although usually reputable) - the only one that carried any weight was the Law reference but I think thats the root of the problem; the statement itself fails to include any reference of a particular vessel relating to repainting/re-registration (it also predates the other two articles). If you were a columnist in Time magazine or National Geographic, you would likely have faith that Lawyers would know their stuff right? However for the aforementioned reason the credibility of their statement raises an eyebrow (also that they are based at LA International Airport) - I would not bet my life savings on them knowing 100% of their stuff about shipping Piracy off the coast of Africa (I'd certainly never heard of this company until now and we have a huge list of shipping related insurance/legal companies). I'll believe the 30+ year experience of the Industry in my office over some Harvard speculation.
Stephannus Calimben the united	Posted - 2008.10.03 20:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Bigeasy I wonder if they will drop good loot? bah, i feel sorry for the guys. Stupid anti-pies are blobbing them, just like the always do. Sounds like they hot-dropped a carrier on them too! Pansies should learn how to fight fair
Lance Mercer	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Stephannus Calimben Originally by: Bigeasy I wonder if they will drop good loot? bah, i feel sorry for the guys. Stupid anti-pies are blobbing them, just like the always do. Sounds like they hot-dropped a carrier on them too! Pansies should learn how to fight fair Yeah I mean what the hell!! A few thousand pirates shouldnt be tat hard to kill I say the shipping companies just hire blackwater to d othe job.
Karentaki Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:57:00 - [28] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Atedar Kerane The cargo ship had loads of weapons on board? Why didn't the crew just grab the weapons and shot them in their faces?? health and safety Quoted for sad truth. They'd probably have to fill out a risk assessment form in triplicate before they could even open the cargo bay doors. On the other hand though, the ship full of tanks sure would make an awesome gunboat for piracy and beach assaults
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.10.04 02:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Father Dibbles I'll believe the 30+ year experience of the Industry in my office over some Harvard speculation. I'm surprised that you are resisting the idea that ships themselves are stolen and re-documented. The links I've already provided were not meant to prove my case to a dedicated skeptic, but rather examples of what I'd based my beliefs on. Here are some links that you may find more persuasive: Captain John Konrad of Unofficial Networks; includes a nifty video. A SUNY rather than Harvard man. The US Department of State. Second paragraph from the bottom: "Ports often have to deal with the phantom ship phenomenon." New Zealand Ministry of Defense. Originally by: Page 2 There are many ways of categorising piracy. This paper uses the three generic types listed below, and for reference denoted (a), (b), and (c). All three can involve physical violence up to murder (especially for types b and c). Although not mutually exclusive, they are arranged in order of increasing significance...(c) Theft of the vessel for ʺphantom shipʺ purposes. That is, to masquerade as a legal ship and take on cargo in port, for later disposal illegally. One example of this sort of piracy is the Alondra Rainbow incident; the Alondra Rainbow was first redocumented as the Global Venture, then again as the Mega Rama. Because authorities recovered the ship and prosecuted the crew, this is probably the most well-known and well-documented case.
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.10.04 12:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Ka Jolo I'm suprised that you are resisting the idea that ships themselves are stolen and re-documented. Who do I believe? The folks in the office who have been there, seen it, done it, and are telling me you are wrong, or the obscure links you provide as apparent 'examples of your beliefs' - Wall Street Journal - extensive shipping experience there - an Indian report (without sounding racist who are well known for their corruption and getting things wrong - hence why the only business they have in the trade is demolition) - as for it being the most well-know and well-documented case, I'm sure you will now provide another obscure link to lend proof to that claim. You can link till you are blue in the face, I will believe the people who have the experience. It is a very basic rule to take the stuff you read on the net with a pinch of salt - ah yes, and if you were not trying to prove your case to me, then why bother spending obvious time typing into Search engines...(books are better)! People these days are not entirely appreciative of having beliefs forced upon them nay? Really, you try too hard to convince a 'dedicated skeptic'. Pleased to hear any further interest.

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