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Val Torvis	Posted - 2008.10.02 21:47:00 - [1] Have you guys seen this? New corp forming for the sole purpose of nuking high-sec POS's. Link
samurai226	Posted - 2008.10.02 22:39:00 - [2] What! thats crazy who would nuke in teh high sec.??? Where did u hear that??
Braaage eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.02 22:41:00 - [3] There are loads already, tis nothing new. -- POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, Boosters, EA EVE Database, Character Generator & more
Val Torvis	Posted - 2008.10.02 23:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Braaage There are loads already, tis nothing new. True, there are loads of griefers. These guys seem to have a very specific plan though. =)
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2008.10.03 00:04:00 - [5] They have a sounds business plan and understand what is required so they could probably run an IPO if they gather enough pilots. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Clansworth Burning Sky Labs	Posted - 2008.10.03 01:30:00 - [6] Doesn't sound like griefers at all. They appear to be a legit pos killing mercenary group. Good lcuk to their success! (As long as they aren't hired against me ;-) New Prospector Class
Expresso Jones	Posted - 2008.10.03 03:40:00 - [7] Hell, I'd be willing to join them on my Remote Repper Amarr BS pilot Just to take some of these (closed) corp towers down to free up more slots for the active people.
Kiki Arnolds Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:00:00 - [8] Edited by: Kiki Arnolds on 03/10/2008 15:00:34 Absent a contractor, I very much doubt they will take down anything that doesn't have labs anchored. The only reason they would target lab less tower is for extortion, but I doubt someone would pay much to protect an abandoned tower. With 30 they could threaten poorly defended mediums, and reasonably defended smalls, which is what a lot of small scale highsec researchers use... ç¦
Sightless Knight Amarr Hi-Sec Cleaners	Posted - 2008.10.04 18:37:00 - [9] Oh look someone already called me a pirate. We aren't pirates. We are mercs. Hired by various people in EvE to help keep Hi-Sec clean. If someone contacts us to clean-up your corps towers you will have plenty of notice to get them in good standing (a.k.a. defensible) prior to our attack (war-dec does take 24H). If you can't defend your POS then you can hire other mercs to war-dec us during our engagement. Now, if we don't have contracts, we will consider accepting protection money from potential war targets. Sightless Knight CEO of HSC [xPOSx]
Ironnight Caldari EBS9	Posted - 2008.10.05 15:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Val Torvis Originally by: Braaage There are loads already, tis nothing new. True, there are loads of griefers. These guys seem to have a very specific plan though. =) Its not griefing, never have been, never should be, but with the new hello kitty online line of GMs you never know. btw why would anyone shoot POS in high sec, dont you know how unbelievable borring it is and in only BS size ships /emote shooting myself in the head They're like 'oh shit son, its a trap ' Doomsday[/center]
Veredhiel	Posted - 2008.10.06 10:55:00 - [11] Meh. A quick check on eve-search shows he's a fail scammer and he pretended to emoquit last year in order to bump his character auctions. Would anyone would want to spend hours bashing a POS to fill his wallet? We'll see...
Sightless Knight Amarr Hi-Sec Cleaners	Posted - 2008.10.06 13:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Veredhiel Meh. A quick check on eve-search shows he's a fail scammer and he pretended to emoquit last year in order to bump his character auctions. Would anyone would want to spend hours bashing a POS to fill his wallet? We'll see... I'm glad you looked this character up. I'm flattered. But don't confuse me with those posts. This account had been inactive for quite a long period. The character only has 12.5M SP. I do not know anything about the previous scam attempts you mentioned, but I may go look them up to see what kind of a reputation this character has. I do know that using 20+ Amarr BS to take down a POS (even in hi-sec) isn't that difficult. Using Amarr also has the added benefit of not requiring Ammo reloads. I actually stole the idea from my friend that asked that I do this. He claimed that one of the NC alliances was using this successfully during the seige down South. I don't care for politics, but I can see a good idea and run with it. As for lining my wallet. Nope. I plan on staying broke. That is what this is about. I'll gladly share the corp wallet transactional data with the corp members. And payouts will happen as soon as the contract is completed. Of course, once we are done with the first contract, we look to see if Veredhiel is in a POS holding corp. Then we will go hunt those for gits and shiggles and to show you what "hours" of POS smashing will be like. If you don't have any hi-sec POS, please set one or two up so we can show you how fun it will be. I already have 4 RR BS pilots lined up. Mostly I'm waiting for their pustulent owners to get the minimus met so they can join. Once I get a full corp I'll let you know ;). So, thanks for keeping my idea at the top of the heap. Sightless Knight CEO - HSC [xPOSx]
Veredhiel	Posted - 2008.10.06 13:32:00 - [13] Oh so easily the veil slips. Bravo. Now you are sounding more like the griefer you claim not to be. Would you have anyone believe that you are not the same "put it up for 10k and I'll pay the 3.5B buyout" fail scammer? You writing style gives you away as one and the same - not to mention the lame sig format of your previous "incarnation"... Sightless Knight CEO [.RUN.] Tip: There's no need, you see the little piccy there? <---------- Whatever. Just "meh".
Sightless Knight Amarr Hi-Sec Cleaners	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Veredhiel Oh so easily the veil slips. Bravo. Now you are sounding more like the griefer you claim not to be. Would you have anyone believe that you are not the same "put it up for 10k and I'll pay the 3.5B buyout" fail scammer? You writing style gives you away as one and the same - not to mention the lame sig format of your previous "incarnation"... Sightless Knight CEO [.RUN.] Tip: There's no need, you see the little piccy there? <---------- Whatever. Just "meh". I only claim not to be a pirate. I said nothing of about being a griefer. And I will only bring grief to those that deserve it. My approach is a bit like the mafia. I liked the old signature style and I adopeted it. Why don't you build up an alt to come play with me for a while and you can watch the wallets also. Then after 3 - 6 months I'll gladly let you come to the forums and appologize for attempting to discredit my attempt at recruitment. Sightless Knight CEO - HSC [xPOSx}
Coros Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:53:00 - [15] Intresting idea. I agree the use of Amarr battleships due no ammohaulers needed. But I wouldn't use remote repping battleship gang. Example POS is medium faction tower wich as large guns shooting up to 250 km (wich is the hard limit for firing range in eve). I would use Abaddons with fat buffer tank and high resistances. Tachyons would be my choice of lasers. Range as long as possible with T2 crystals. Then you take loads of Guardians sitting like 253 km of the POS well safe of their guns. Guardians can rep up to 70 km range. Without defending force, they could use large reppers with cap fit. So the sniping force would be as close as possible to POS and repping Guardians just over the hard limit range. I think there is some groups who can pull this off easily against any POS. This would require large force, and even ewar becomes useless when there is just too much targets. Who can pull this off?
Veredhiel	Posted - 2008.10.06 20:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Sightless Knight Then after 3 - 6 months I'll gladly let you come to the forums and appologize for attempting to discredit my attempt at recruitment. Look at the top, this is the Science and Industry forum... not a "mafia" recruiting forum. Any potential recruits directed here have been sent by your own bombastic cross-referencing from your thread. Thanks for the offer though, I'll almost certainly drop an alt in one day - the comedy value alone will be worth it.
Kiki Arnolds Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.06 22:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Coros Intresting idea. I agree the use of Amarr battleships due no ammohaulers needed. But I wouldn't use remote repping battleship gang. Example POS is medium faction tower wich as large guns shooting up to 250 km (wich is the hard limit for firing range in eve). I would use Abaddons with fat buffer tank and high resistances. Tachyons would be my choice of lasers. Range as long as possible with T2 crystals. Then you take loads of Guardians sitting like 253 km of the POS well safe of their guns. Guardians can rep up to 70 km range. Without defending force, they could use large reppers with cap fit. So the sniping force would be as close as possible to POS and repping Guardians just over the hard limit range. I think there is some groups who can pull this off easily against any POS. This would require large force, and even ewar becomes useless when there is just too much targets. Who can pull this off? Couple of issues: 1. You need alot of skills for that type of range. Sure, you can say everyone should be fully skilled before flying a battleship, but thats just not the way highsec corps work 2. Assuming the logistics pilots can fly a BS, 4 Remote Rep BS = 1 logistics, so yyou can have 20% more battleships = 20% dps if they carry remote reps. 3. At those ranges (180+) you would have rather low dps, you would need alot of people to get the job done 4. Most defense strategies use medium guns in highsec, only reason to use large would be if they knock out mediums faster than you can online replacements 5. Your sniper fleet is gonna be in alot of trouble if an enemy short range gank fleet jumps you 6. If your going to put up a real fight, you better have a large (pref domination) ç¦
Coros Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Kiki Arnolds Couple of issues: 1. You need alot of skills for that type of range. Sure, you can say everyone should be fully skilled before flying a battleship, but thats just not the way highsec corps work 2. Assuming the logistics pilots can fly a BS, 4 Remote Rep BS = 1 logistics, so yyou can have 20% more battleships = 20% dps if they carry remote reps. 3. At those ranges (180+) you would have rather low dps, you would need alot of people to get the job done 4. Most defense strategies use medium guns in highsec, only reason to use large would be if they knock out mediums faster than you can online replacements 5. Your sniper fleet is gonna be in alot of trouble if an enemy short range gank fleet jumps you 6. If your going to put up a real fight, you better have a large (pref domination) 1. Of course you need skills... 3. For example Abaddon with T2 Mega Beams and Aurora can do 440 dps 198 km range (that's optimal). That's with three optimal range rigs and two tracking comps with optimal range scripts. And one reactor control mod at lows. After that you still have two med slots and 6 low slots for tank. Or you can take little lighter tank and throw 3x T2 heat sinks there and you get 623 dps. Of course all this is done with EFT with full skills. But if you have like 8 million sp in gunnery you make pretty much nearly the same damage than with V skills. And I am sure that in all large alliances have tons of skilled pvp characters. I would take that 440 dps and heavier tank. 5. No worries of enemy gank fleet. EVE is full of 1-2 alt research corporations who has like 10 research POS all pimped hoping nobody doesn't really attack on them. But I personally don't believe that large faction tower can be destroyed with just battleships... The effective hp is just insine and the amount of guns you can put there with POS gunner alts...
Talidorn Pandoras Military And Civilian Operations Group Raging Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:31:00 - [19] Since this thread has already been so derailed I have a quick question. Can the POS gunners from other corps in an alliance be allowed to use the guns/EW/etc? Thanks, Talidorn
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Coros Example POS is medium faction tower wich as large guns shooting up to 250 km (wich is the hard limit for firing range in eve). There is no hard limit on firing POS guns with a gunner, only without a gunner or in a normal ship. POS guns with a gunner can hit at over 1200km. And yes, I've done it. Quite the surprise when the ship goes pop. Manually targeted guns can also pop drones etc, basically if you are within range of a large tower properly setup with POS gunners, you're going to lose BS's no matter how good your setup is. Your only hope is to attack when they don't have any gunners online, and get it into reinforced ASAP. You basically want enough tank and ships to spread the damage so that you never have to warp in/out, and you probably want to come in close to use drones also. Amarr is ideal, as the other races all have to press 'fire' again when ammo reloads, the downside of course is if people know you're mostly amarr they can pile on the EM hardners, and make your life just a little less happy.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Talidorn Since this thread has already been so derailed I have a quick question. Can the POS gunners from other corps in an alliance be allowed to use the guns/EW/etc? Thanks, Talidorn No, it requires a corp role, and like other corp roles, they can't be given to people outside the corp. Sucks, but that's how it is. Primarily broken gameplay like this is what's driving the formation of the larger 400-500 member corps and 3000 member alliances etc. They're that much stronger than groups of smaller corps.
Kell Braugh	Posted - 2008.10.08 08:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Sightless Knight Now, if we don't have contracts, we will consider accepting protection money from potential war targets. Sightless Knight CEO of HSC [xPOSx] Logic would dictate that if you are mercs, you only attack contracted targets. If you don't have contracts, you wouldn't have targets to pay you said 'protection money'. It may make wet your bed at night from fright, but yer a pirate if this is your plan. Now suck it up and admit it or **** off. I got no quims pesay against pirates, just people who try to act like they are something they aren't - EFT screen shots are NOT an accurate example of a ship's abilities.
Esheleen	Posted - 2008.10.09 16:35:00 - [23] "I can hit at 1200km" lols, you go off grid at 400k!
Dark 'Shadow Shadow Fire Industries	Posted - 2008.10.10 02:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Esheleen "I can hit at 1200km" lols, you go off grid at 400k! Not necessarily, I flew between two stations that are 1800km apart (I was bored) and I did not leave the first stations grid until I was nearly 3/4 the way to the other station.
Kiki Arnolds Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.10 03:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark 'Shadow Originally by: Esheleen "I can hit at 1200km" lols, you go off grid at 400k! Not necessarily, I flew between two stations that are 1800km apart (I was bored) and I did not leave the first stations grid until I was nearly 3/4 the way to the other station. Indeed, grids are dynamic, you can fly 450KM in one direction, still on grid, pop off grid, reverse immediatly and fly 150KM before you are back on it again... very rarely, but I have been on grid and had targets 1000KM+ on overview ç¦
Ghoest	Posted - 2008.10.10 03:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Sightless Knight Oh look someone already called me a pirate. We aren't pirates.... blah blah blah ...Now, if we don't have contracts, we will consider accepting protection money from potential war targets. Sightless Knight CEO of HSC [xPOSx] Uhh..... Extorting is a form of piracy.
Ghoest	Posted - 2008.10.10 03:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Veredhiel Oh so easily the veil slips. Bravo. Now you are sounding more like the griefer you claim not to be. Would you have anyone believe that you are not the same "put it up for 10k and I'll pay the 3.5B buyout" fail scammer? You writing style gives you away as one and the same - not to mention the lame sig format of your previous "incarnation"... Sightless Knight CEO [.RUN.] Tip: There's no need, you see the little piccy there? <---------- Whatever. Just "meh". owned
Coros Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.10 10:41:00 - [28] Edited by: Coros on 10/10/2008 10:41:22 Originally by: Lord Fitz POS guns with a gunner can hit at over 1200km. Since when? And how can he even target that far?
Commodore Bill	Posted - 2008.10.10 15:34:00 - [29] That's one reason why manning POS batteries is so important. They're not as restricted as ships in terms of locking and shooting. If you can see it, you can lock it with your big arse POS sentry guns. Then you can shoot it and every so often even hit it, at any range. That part does tend to suprise some folk sitting in their logistics cruisers at "safe" range, especially when it never occured to them the industrial corp they're taking on has a skill requirement of Starbase Defense Management level 3.
Coros Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.10 23:30:00 - [30] Edited by: Coros on 10/10/2008 23:31:05 nm

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