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SE10
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Posted - 2004.06.21 18:25:00 -
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To all alliances,
Here in the Science and Trade Institute (Caldari starting corp.) we wish to mine in 0.0 space. We have tried before and were able to mine quite a tidy sum. This did go quite far in helping the new players along. However, mining on the fringes of 0.0 space like we were, is quite dangerous. With a recent loss in EC-P8R due to pirate activity (nothing to do with any alliances) we believe that it may be worth attempting again to ask to mine in alliance space.
This would be a great recruitment opportunity for your alliance and could greatly improve the amount of people in your alliance, therefore allowing it to grow in strength.
The last time this question was raised on the forums, however, there were concerns about alt spies having an easy way to infiltrate alliance space. Taking these concerns in mind, we will assure any alliance that accepts us that we will take the UTMOST precautions to guarantee that these characters do not get through. Many precautions would be taken, such as how long they have been in SATI (2 or 3 months+ could be taken) and their contributions to the corporate channel. We believe we could filter them out as effectively if not MORE effectively than a player based corporation could.
If these precautions are still not thought enough, the alliance could alternatively protect us mining in open space which would still provide a great recruitment opportunity but at less risk to yourselves
This is at the moment in the planning stage, but if any alliances are interested please eve-mail me in game or post your offers.
Any information or problems with this would be welcomed. Thank you
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Alustrious
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Posted - 2004.06.21 18:30:00 -
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Heidern
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Posted - 2004.06.21 18:30:00 -
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Soooooo hows your corp hanger doing? rofl
AAAHH MY HEAD FELL OFF! |
HyperBaton
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Posted - 2004.06.21 18:43:00 -
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CFS is interested.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2004.06.21 19:13:00 -
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Why any alliance would want ANOTHER mining corp is beyond me. All they are is liabilities.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.06.21 19:39:00 -
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As sochin said what have you got to offer the alliances?
Why should they let you have there ore while they defend there space in BS's?
Those are two questions yes they may seem hard but 99% of alliances fight hard to keep there space safe they take the risk why should other benifit the reward?
So you have CFS free space and you make an agreement with them and alt person X hears about it and his real corp is going to attack say CFS he puts a n00b in takes him to there space and CFS patrol person sees him? "hey what you doing here?" n00b spy replies " Im mining with se10's state of war academy group..
Now do you think the avarage person in an alliance would know the name of everyone from this mining party? they may know a few contact names but that proberly it.
So there one easy way you can get past your screening effort.
My personal opinion is if your in an NPC corp your shouldnt be in 0.0 ( unless employment history and just changing corp ect...Also 995 of alliance and 0.0 poeple will nuke most n00b corps in frigs some are more carefull and check more then employment history.
So maybe ou should realy think about creating a corp for your gang that you have in the NPC corp? Im sure thats not what you want to hear but in all honest truth i think its the only way youll get any where to be able to mine in any alliance space, not open space like pure blind tribute ect.
..If that leadss no where then ec-p is proberly the best place youll find or maybe pf-46* but think that has more pirates then a pirates of the caribian convention.
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Slaveone
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Posted - 2004.06.21 19:52:00 -
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come to curse im sure yull get a warm reception
NOT CA. NOT AN ALT. JUST A FAN OF THE BADEST ALLIANCE IN THE GAME ;) |
Hauler Joe
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Posted - 2004.06.21 20:05:00 -
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Can I have all your stuff once your podded.
Alliances dont need miners.
Miners are only miners and they hide and dont protect anything except rocks.
Kill him when Im driving a hauler and one day you will see my guns of glory.
Mining laser strikes Ark with a 92.75 min.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.21 22:57:00 -
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SE10,
It sucks, I know, but NPC corp members = KOS to everyone in 0.0.
- N -
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Trianon Starstealer
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Posted - 2004.06.22 00:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Notferr
SE10,
It sucks, I know, but NPC corp members = KOS to everyone in 0.0.
- N -
Hope notferr forgives me for not flaming him.... but alas on this one I have to agree with him.... if your in a n00b corp in 0.0 your getting shot.
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.06.22 00:18:00 -
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If you want the good stuff inn this game you got to figth for it. Sorry dude, but i just dont see any alliance just giving you what they figth daily to protect.
Most alliances inn this game have at least 1 war going. The ore you want to come mine is the same ore that makes the ships and ammo the alliance needs to figth it's war/s
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Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day |
Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.06.22 03:12:00 -
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Ask CFS, they'll take anyone these days .
-The DarkHand
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg
Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.22 05:52:00 -
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Isn't RONA-KIA a newb corp???
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.06.22 05:55:00 -
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Notferr's drunk again 
-The DarkHand
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg
Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.22 05:57:00 -
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Just a wee-bit of the good ole Irish Tequila....
Mixed with Vodka and Tabasco...
My head hurts soooooooo danm badddd.....
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.06.22 06:16:00 -
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Quote:
we wish to mine in 0.0 space. We have tried before and were able to mine quite a tidy sum. This did go quite far in helping the new players along.
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If these precautions are still not thought enough, the alliance could alternatively protect us mining in open space which would still provide a great recruitment opportunity but at less risk to yourselves
Let me see here... you want to mine the crok/ark/bist and add the isk to your own wallet? You are even suggesting the the alliance (which ore you'll steal) could protect you doing it?
You are so misguided I'm lost for words.
Like everyone else said. If there's something any alliance do NOT need it is more peeps mining without contributing to the military ops.
As it seemed to be an honest and friendly, but terribly misguided post: If you are well organized enough why not offer to guard alliance space with a large bunch of frigs for a certain time in exchange for mining rights instead?
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TIvian
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Posted - 2004.06.22 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: TIvian on 22/06/2004 07:05:39
Thank you for contacting the Curse Alliance Customer Service Department. We here at the Curse Alliance welcome you to our friendly and wide open territory. We wish you a pleasant stay and hope you and all your friends enjoy our many roid fields and tourist sites. Upon completion of your trip to our wonderful and beautiful space we are more then happy to provide you with the swiftest state of the art transportation system out of Curse. No more nasty long trips through jump gates! All you need do is contact a local Curse Rep to assist you with your transport out of Curse.
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(> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!! |
Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.06.22 07:51:00 -
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I think the message is clear now guys.
More miners is nto what 0.0 needs atm. Unless they help protect the space they mine in.
And as far as your ploy of this being an ideal recruitment opportunity goes, most alliances arent very interested in the new players that hang out in NPC corps. It again comes down to helping out defending. You need some skills for that I'm afraid. So two reason why they wont let you in: 1. mining, who needs it ? 2. new pleyers cant contribute meanigfully to an alliance yet.
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Walking Contradiction
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Posted - 2004.06.22 07:59:00 -
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I find it rather amusing to see CA flame this thread. Isn't 75% of CA miners? YES.
Don't try to deny it boys, there are a few good pvpers (Lallante & gang) and a whole ****load of miners in the CA.
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.06.22 08:13:00 -
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Only because Xirtam demanded a wheelchair made from megacyte.
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Absinthe Fueled |
Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.06.22 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Propehcy on 22/06/2004 09:31:18
WC needs a good long Ban, maybe that would teach him about the EULA and stuff, i've seen the light, SHOW HIM THE LIGHT MODS!! LAY THE LAW DOWN!!!
-The DarkHand
EDIT: Fixed grammatical error
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg
Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Hauler Joe
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Posted - 2004.06.22 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: TGIF
Only because Xirtam demanded a wheelchair made from megacyte.
Im telling!!! 
Kill him when Im driving a hauler and one day you will see my guns of glory.
Mining laser strikes Ark with a 92.75 min.
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.06.22 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Walking Contradiction
I find it rather amusing to see CA flame this thread. Isn't 75% of CA miners? YES.
Don't try to deny it boys, there are a few good pvpers (Lallante & gang) and a whole ****load of miners in the CA.
Nice to see you have an opineon on this...
Who are you again?
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Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.06.22 17:26:00 -
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I'm glad to see that it's only CA flaming this thread and not other alliances.
SE10, to answer your question, unfortunately many of these posts are correct. People in newbie corps in 0.0 space are considered to be spies and usually killed on sight.
Your best bet for being able to do this:
Head to Delve, Period Basis, Querious, or another "open" region and mine there. There are refining stations down there.
If you travel as a group and are in cruisers it will be a lot less likely that people will bother you. Also, DO NOT REFUSE CONVOS. That'll get you shot down faster than almost anything else. Be friendly and courteous in local and hopefully you'll be treated the same way.
There will be resident corps down there, and to avoid getting shot down you're going to need to follow their rules, which usually include always carrying a survey scanner and never popping the asteroids (bring them down to 100-200 units or so)
Honestly, though, the best way to be able to mine high end ore is to join a corporation in an alliance. If you guys attempt a trip like this you might be fine or it might end in disaster... 
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.22 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Notferr on 22/06/2004 20:37:30
Truer words have never been spoken. Good post Ronyo!
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.06.22 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: SE10
To all alliances,
With a recent loss in EC-P8R due to pirate activity (nothing to do with any alliances)
not true it does have to do with allaince activity, the PA use to hold EC all the time against pirates but with this NCA/NAST group attacking the PA EC-P8R is always contested. When the PA holds EC we try to stop piracy as before. NCA/NAST on the other had actually has pirates working with them.
But of course this whole PvPgasm just invites Pirates to walk freely into northern space, be they NCA allies or not. I am trully sorry for you loss in EC, would that the NCA/NAST and thier pirates back off then once again both sides would be able to combat piracy again.
But well both sides (well those on the NAST/NCA side who aren't pirates) have to focus on defending thier own space.
Perhaps NCA will stop trying to take PA space and since in reality the PA has no wish to have or hold any lesser territory such as Fade region or nasty Pure blind which is a wasteland of jaspet, then piracy can once again be squished and beaten into the previous glimmer it was.
Until then be careful out there, the NCA/Nast group uses m0o, evol and RKK all of which have members that openly support and participate in piracy...heck i think m0o invented it :)
if you run afoul of pirates and see some CTEKers near you run to them, we will try to help you as much as possible.
peace out
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.22 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Notferr on 22/06/2004 21:14:23
Originally by: Mitchello
Originally by: SE10
To all alliances,
With a recent loss in EC-P8R due to pirate activity (nothing to do with any alliances)
not true it does have to do with allaince activity, the PA use to hold EC all the time against pirates but with this NCA/NAST group attacking the PA EC-P8R is always contested. When the PA holds EC we try to stop piracy as before. NCA/NAST on the other had actually has pirates working with them.
But of course this whole PvPgasm just invites Pirates to walk freely into northern space, be they NCA allies or not. I am trully sorry for you loss in EC, would that the NCA/NAST and thier pirates back off then once again both sides would be able to combat piracy again.
But well both sides (well those on the NAST/NCA side who aren't pirates) have to focus on defending thier own space.
Perhaps NCA will stop trying to take PA space and since in reality the PA has no wish to have or hold any lesser territory such as Fade region or nasty Pure blind which is a wasteland of jaspet, then piracy can once again be squished and beaten into the previous glimmer it was.
Until then be careful out there, the NCA/Nast group uses m0o, evol and RKK all of which have members that openly support and participate in piracy...heck i think m0o invented it :)
Yeah... Right....
PA worked HARD to save the innocent women and children in ECP and never fired a hostile round at anyone that had not been ex-communicated from the Church of Concord. They are all uber-Jedi. NAST is the Devil, and we eat babies.
Blow me.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Terminus
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Posted - 2004.06.22 21:13:00 -
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While some of the responses to SE were meant to be honestly helpful and we do appreciate your candorand advice, I get the feeling that the rest of you think a bunch of noobs are trying to fly their Ibis' into 0.0 and expect the powers that be to protect and sanction their actions in exchange for "developing potential new recruits".
There are quite enough of us who have been in for over a year and go into 0.0 regularly anyway. Defending Alliance/Corp space would be only proper recompence for access, and we would consider it our duty to do so. We're more than capable of handling ourselves while offering protection and hopefully some experience to new players who do not immediately jump into a player corp. Those of us who chose to remain in school forever, (and quite frankly the real world sucks so I see no reason not to stay in school and drink beer for the rest of my existence...wish I could for real!) have made an effort to help new players along for some time now.
We ran two SATI mines a week for a few months, with the experienced players donating their share to the newer players. As the rapid influx of new players we saw after EnB has begun to taper off, we are planning on organizing low sec mine ops for those players who have been in for a few months. This is as much for them as it is to give those of us with tenure something to do.
SE's intent was to politely ask for permission for us to allow these players to see a bit more of Eve and also allow a corp/alliance actively seeking recruits a bit of good PR. Civility and manner does not equal stupidity and obsequiousness.
If you're currently in a life or death struggle for existence, then no... You're probably not interested in having a few dozen bs and cruisers having access to materials you need to try and dodge the sword hanging over your head. That's understandable and you're obviously not who we're looking for....
It might be just a pipe dream, but it never hurts to ask. There are perhaps 15 of us who will most likely stay in SATI no matter what, but the rest will end up joining somewhere. And as for starter corp members never entering 0.0, I seem to recall doing that a year ago.... oops. My bad.
...quietly walks off while humming the SATI school song....
"Isk, isk, isk, glorious Isk!"
"Beer, beer, beer glorious Beer!"
Kegger at the frat house tonight... it's bikini night for the incoming freshmen sorority rush!
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Sun Wu
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Posted - 2004.06.22 21:17:00 -
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PA should perhaps not try to hold EC to keep it safe before they can hold their own regions. Just a tip, trying to be helpful here... and no, getting a blob once every couple days is not holding a region.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.06.22 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Wu
PA should perhaps not try to hold EC to keep it safe before they can hold their own regions. Just a tip, trying to be helpful here... and no, getting a blob once every couple days is not holding a region.
Well kind of the point of holding EC is to kill pirates who hit miner's cans and Indies, I'm sure you are quite familiar with that.
NAST/NCA doesn't go after you guys because you (like a few other pirate groups) are allied with them, working together to annoy the PA.
Bravo you have made it harder for decent honest folk to mine in EC, congrats. I'll send a big plate of cookies over to you and always consider why some people play this game _just_ to cause trouble. I mean EVE has so much available to play with...I just can't ever understand :/ but I'm slow so please forgive me and all I wanted was to hoard for stations anyway.
Here is a tip for you, stand and fight when the odds are even. and also if you didn't want to challenge giant blobs of battleships then why are you in Venal? that is kind of why alliances rock, we have massive industry and huge fleets...to kill pirates mostly...
Besides we deal with you guys being log on kings and hunting down and sniping at miners and occasionally taking a station when no one is around. So in fairness you should take a massive fleet jumping on you and blowing you up...or you could just stop complaining (gee and maybe i should too lol)
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