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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.04 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Chib on 04/10/2008 12:17:50
Lets Use another example,
If the redswarm coalition had put its differences aside to finish bob off bob would not be taking nc space from them, but no the did not act cohesively while bob did and now they are paying the price for it
Does the minmatar faction have problems with UK hunting its members?
CVA are hindering the militia by shooting at any pilot wether he ate ammarrian babies or not
its one thing to be killed/kill in 0.0 and another to go hunting them in low sec
edit: before my involvement is questioned i am in armada also and in the top 10 killers for the faction past 2 weeks (i joined 2 weeks ago)
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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.05 04:59:00 -
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I fear the short sightedness lays with CVA for continuing to pursue Slackers who as stated are THE MOST effective corporation for the imperial militia
i cannot reiterate that enough NOONE i repeat NOONE has killed more minmatar than Slackers
does this not carry any weight with the powers that be in CVA?
Is there no forgive and forget? People and entities can be on one side one week then another the next for their own reasons and i think the term "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" should apply
CVA may consider itself hold providence for the amarr empire but as stated before UK have done more for the other side than CVA has done for Amarr.
You claim you hold the space giving out docking rights and allowing access to the resources of providence, I can fit an ishtar and take my pick of those resources at will and theres nothing you could do to stop me as is the case with any alliance holding space anywhere in the universe. And afterwards its a short trip to the empire to dock for the night.
So what you really offer is convienience when whats needed is pilots and ships....Today both the Gallante and the Minmatar Militiamen combined forces far outnumbering the amarrian warriors and with forces that size floating about we are supposed to watch our backs from so called loyalists because some carebear lost their mammoth etc etc
In times of war like this when the empire is battling hard for its territory CVA sits out in a lawless area participating in 0.0 alliance warefare and not that which may affect the empire surviving or falling
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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.05 06:38:00 -
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The Holding of providence holds no sway with me or anyone in the militia it seems as a way of assisting the empire
your built up stations and market is no small feat, this i know for i have build stations, developed regional markets lead an alliance and had to deal with hostiles but in the current situation the market and facilities are no benefit to amarr militia as we use amarr for shopping and in regards to gathering resources in 0.0 no alliance no matter how big can prevent an experienced pilot from taking what he/she wants
i do not support your claim to call slackers pirates either for their actions were done in lawless space where concord does not interfere, you claim them pirates but in the end theyre just targets in 0.0 space.
so until providence is claimed as sovereign amarr space under the banner of the new empress which i doubt it ever will only concord decides who pirates are and those actions are commited in low security space
so in this particular instance its you who commited piracy
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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.05 13:05:00 -
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When the day comes for armada and slackers to leave the militia will cva come to take the mantle, i doubt it
and when that day arrives you will find this precious crusade which you support from afar in tatters
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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.05 14:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Josef Odinssen
Edited by: Josef Odinssen on 05/10/2008 13:45:32
As i see it there is no way to clear this squabble without an indepedent tribunal hearing.
As a starting measure i will table the following motions based on my independent review of the evidence submitted heirein and invite clarifications/amendments and additions/retractions prior to submission to a Judicial review.
Quite simply CVA's position seems to be that former combatants and criminal outlaws should not be exscused from answering for past crimes simply by flying under a flag of convenience of a militia.
Providence is an indepedent state under stewardship of CVA that holds allegiance to the Amarr Empire, however until Providence is formally adopted as Amarr Sovereign Empire space CVA are entitled (as per Internation law treaties) to formulate a legal code, visa and travel restrictions and policing policy according to their local governorship of the region.
Any criminals who have committed offences in breach of CVA imposed law within Providence remain subjugate to punishment within Providence for those crimes until officially pardoned by CVA governors.
Any participation within a Militia force entitles combatents to certain status increases and pardons within Amarr Empire controlled space, however it is entirely at the discretion of independent (Amarr Loyal) governors to choose to extend such status pardos to their own controlled territory.
Combatents who have suffered losses due to CVA responses to incursions into their territory in response to past criminal actions have no more right to recompense for ships and lost equipment until they answer trial to the CVA governors for the losses and expenses associated with their past activities in Providence and seek pardon by way of fiscal compensation/loyal service.
As a sidenote, one principle reason i have been strongly opposed to a Militia led war is due to such squabbles being inevitable. From my prior comment it has been often a requirement to offer pirates and outlaws a choice between execution and lengthy and loyal service to the state military, however such circumstances are controlled by the state, within the confines of a militia it becomes more difficult to ascertain if combatents are truly fighting loyal to the state or are merely flying a flag or convenience to support "legalised piracy" aka privateering.
But as a point of law, irrespective of CVA's loyalty to the Amarr Empire, this is a matter of adjudication for the independent CVA governership of Providence & the plaintiff under Providence local law, and therefore no ruling should be expected from the Amarr Empire on this matter.
As a point of clarification, Militia members should not automatically assume a right of passage by virtue of flag through Independent controlled Empire allied regions.
Transversal of all regions by Naval vessels (Both state and militia) is still required to file correct paperwork with the controlling immigration and security departments prior to passage, a point the Militia should reference at their War Acadamy for correct procedures.
CVA are more than entitled to protect themselves within the confines of their sovreign territory, the issue is when they roam into Amarr sovereign low sec which is policed and defended by loyal Militia pilots
NOONE in the militia not even CVA loyal PIE can dispute Slackers contribution to the war effort, without slackers we would not be pushing the minmatar out of our space.
Human history is full of alliances of convienience and noone is asking CVA to like slackers but only to leave them alone as they spearhead the amarr militia to victory
i think i can safely say that we in the militia will always have slackers back
they command the respect of their peers and of our enemy
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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.05 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Chib on 05/10/2008 16:43:17
Originally by: Revan Neferis
And who would care if they leave or stay? Do you think that the Empress even notice it? For all that it shows, she didn't direct even a single word to capsuleers in general and the amarr militia.
Slackers and Armada are wasting their time and resources fighting a war that won't even get any notice.
CVA is correct on doing their thing.
Not to take anything away from the other hard fighting characters and corporations that fight for the Militia those corps still make up the majority of the most experienced combat pilots and if they left then amarrian sovreign space would eventually fall completely to the minmatar.
Are you telling me as a loyal amarrian you find that acceptable to lose established amarrian space to the minmatar while CVA who have established themselves on the basis of loyal amarrians sit holding providence, a lawless territory not vital to the empire.
Even if i concede to the fact that providence could bring something to the empire there is still nothing stopping CVA from declaring war on entites like heretic milita and other mainstay minmatar corporations to aid us in the fight
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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.05 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Sir, I don't know if you are insulting me or making a heartfelt compliment regarding me being a "Loyal Amarrian" * winks Last I was called a " Loyalist" was on my excommunication years ago... ah well, memories.
There is something not quite fitting there. But let me preface by saying that I do think Slackers and Armada would have a better purpose to explore and add maximum use of their expertise other then doing silly bang bangs for an Empire that doesn't even know they exist, and facing the disdain of their own.
It was a general statement rather than one aimed at you
How the Empire decides to reward its troops when the dust settles is upto them, this is not why i choose to fight, not for reward but for glory.
I chooose to fight for the amarr because they are the underdog and i wish to play my part in the victory of the fox over the wolf
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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.06 17:13:00 -
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well i close my participation in this thread by saying that any CVA pilots presenting themselves as threats to ANY militia member in MILITIA space will be engaged by any gangs i am leading
the issue has been settled and KOS has been agreed and until such times as CVA change their stance regarding this or an agreement is reached between the our 2 factions as a whole CVA can consider themselves at risk from Milita and minmatar alike in low sec
just as we expect to be should we find ourselves in providence
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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.08 11:50:00 -
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I had to poke my nose in again just to point out the irony in the minmatar and amarr militias banding together against CVA
it provides me lols :)
I do not intend to take anything away from CVA's accomplishments in Providence, they have developed and held the region for a long time. However i do find it slightly hypocritical that you can be so anti-pirate and have used pirates in your own history to help secure victory. (clarification here from CVA regarding the Establishment as i only learned this info from this communique)
Are slackers currently conducting campaigns into providence? No they are not! Will they do so in future? Probably!
Standings and relationships change as time goes on and for various different reasons being common enemys/friends, corporate action and personal agenda. No-one is asking CVA to "like" slackers but we are merely putting on the table that CVA leave them alone to conduct operations FOR the amarr militia while being a part of them.
I seriously doubt that they joined the militia to try and "escape" CVA's wrath but they did join it to fight for the empire and while doing so they are not pursuing CVA pilots in or around providence yet slackers have to tolerate you hunting them in "militia" space without you being classed as pirate yet if slackers enter your nulsec region with the laws YOU impose slackers are deemed to be pirates.
With that i Challenge the CVA diplomat here to justify if he so chooses why he can continue to condone the hunting of militia members that are NOT currently campaigning against CVA which hinders the empires war effort.
It seems to me like CVA want their cake and to eat it, if you truly are servants of the empire and the empire has deemed slackers suitable to be a part of its militia then why can't you put on hold hostile action until such times as they are no longer militia members
Furthermore there any many examples throughout eve history where one entity who has reason to grudge another has put aside their differences for their common interests before going back to shooting each other
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Chib
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Chib on 08/10/2008 14:27:46
i think you will find i put the bit in brackets asking for clarification on this as i stated that information was based on someone elses post in this thread.
AND i'm also trying to prove nothing, atm your actions so far speak for themselves
Ignore the statement i made about piracy and read the rest of the post which i think you will find is a respectful series of questions/statements aimed at CVA diplomats with no malice intended as to how they/you can justify shooting militia members who have past grief with your establishment but who are now currently working FOR amarr and are not currently campaigning against you
you chose to answer 1 paragraph out of a series which bears the least relevance to the issue at hand
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