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Asbuster2
EnC Heavy Industries
The EnC Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:19:00 -
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Right so ive been told that a Raven is supposed to have more DPS than a Rokh. Right now my Rokh has 347 DPS with 425mm Prototype Gaus Cannons x8. However if i look at my Raven, even with tech 2 Cruise Missile Launchers it only has 267 DPS!
I can just use the Tech 2 variant of the Cruise Missile Launchers so i can increase the DPS a little bit but i dont think itll get even with my Rokh DPS.
So my Raven is using 3 Ballistic Control System II`s, and 6 Tech 2 Cruise Missile Launchers.
My Rokh on the other hand is using 8 425mm Prototype Gaus Cannons, and 3 Mag stabs.
Heck according to the guy that i got the fit from, from the Battleclinic website, i should have 600+DPS!!
So does anyone have an idea, apart from my skills, how this is possible? |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:23:00 -
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When using EFT use the drop down menu to Max Skills, not no skills and it will change for you
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okst666
Bad Request
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:24:00 -
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My incursion rokh with blasters has over 1100 dps. Just wanted to say that...
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Asbuster2
EnC Heavy Industries
The EnC Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:25:00 -
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Just checked EFT... if i put tech 2 ammo in the missile launchers i get 574ish DPS... which will be more than my Rokh but still not the 600+DPS it should have. |
BeforetheStorm90
The Sagan Clan
Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:26:00 -
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What program are you using to get your DPS info? 347 DPS on a BS is......well.....laughable. For example, I can setup a Vexor to get 464 DPS. So maybe you just want to fly that? lol |
Asbuster2
EnC Heavy Industries
The EnC Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:27:00 -
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EFT... and i set it up so it uses my skills so i have a good idea on how much DPS i should get. |
okst666
Bad Request
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:29:00 -
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@asbuster2: what says the ingame fitting screen?
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BeforetheStorm90
The Sagan Clan
Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:30:00 -
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Asbuster2 wrote:EFT... and i set it up so it uses my skills so i have a good idea on how much DPS i should get.
You said besides skills........ but it could very well be just that. If you are copying a fit. And the fit design advertises for more DPS then the only other factor is your skills.
EDIT: Also, are you counting your drone DPS? |
Asbuster2
EnC Heavy Industries
The EnC Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:32:00 -
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Well i cant check ingame atm as im at school now... but i know my Rokh has low 300s DPS which EFT shows is about right... and my Raven with the tech 1 meta 4 launchers has high 200s DPS... |
Asbuster2
EnC Heavy Industries
The EnC Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:33:00 -
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@Beforethestorm I am aware of that but according to EFT even with all level 5 skills ill still only get 575 DPS... Drones are not included in both cases |
BeforetheStorm90
The Sagan Clan
Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:39:00 -
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Asbuster2 wrote:@Beforethestorm I am aware of that but according to EFT even with all level 5 skills ill still only get 575 DPS... Drones are not included in both cases
That may be your problem right there. Drone DPS is very important. Unless the battleclinic poster specifically mentions that they are not including drone DPS, it is most likely that any DPS numbers they give will be including drones. A flight of hobs would certainly put you over 600 DPS. Plus, you can always use the 2 ogre II, 2 hammer II, 1 hob II approach inorder to fill up a 75 drone bandwith. That will provide you with a significant increase in DPS. |
Asbuster2
EnC Heavy Industries
The EnC Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:42:00 -
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He did state, and i just checked, that its 610 DPS without drones and 769DP with drones... heres the link to the fit im trying to make work
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/55911-Raven-L4-Perma-Tank.html
He did mention he assumes all level 5 skills but even then i dont get 610DPS |
BeforetheStorm90
The Sagan Clan
Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:53:00 -
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I'll admit that I don't fly Caldari and have never really cared for their ship. So my knowledge is not good in terms of specific fits. However, I do know that fitting more than 3 of any DPS boosting mods is rather pointless. Fitting 4 as that guy did provides a very negligible amount of DPS increase that can be better served by other mods. Perhaps, his program was not taking into account the stacking penalty correctly? |
Asbuster2
EnC Heavy Industries
The EnC Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:54:00 -
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Just figured it out... well kind of... i used 3 Ballistic Control System II.. he has 4 of em. But EFT shows me Raven doesnt have enough CPU to fit that 4th BCS and i replaced that with a CPU Upgrade II.
So i guess it IS my skills that i need to train up. Now just need to figure out which ones XD |
Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:34:00 -
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Just to clarify, when you say DPS do you mean Damage Per Second or Damage Per Shot? Because there's a difference.
Also, check to make sure you've not got EFT set to subtract target resists from that. Not sure if it actually can factor in resists, but it's worth a check.
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BeforetheStorm90
The Sagan Clan
Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:43:00 -
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Jace Errata wrote:Just to clarify, when you say DPS do you mean Damage Per Second or Damage Per Shot? Because there's a difference.
Also, check to make sure you've not got EFT set to subtract target resists from that. Not sure if it actually can factor in resists, but it's worth a check.
Damage per shot is always referred to as Volley. Furthermore, if his volly was only 300 or so then he would be having far worse problems then anyone has any right to have. lol
Also, EFT shouldn't need to deal with any target resists at all. The only number being dealt with is pure DPS. |
Asbuster2
EnC Heavy Industries
The EnC Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:46:00 -
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No EFT does and cannot subtract target resists as far as i can see.
After some re-checking if EFT got my right skills, i found out that it didnt. So after updating my skills on that, i now see that my Raven with the tech 2 Cruise Missile Launchers will have 412 DPS.
Jace, Damage Per Second.
Total volley damage is 3858 so its respectable :) |
DeltaW7
FACTS on EVE
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:29:00 -
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The difference is, he is using T2 missiles, with that fit (all lvl 5 skills) and using T2 fury missiles you get 611 dps (without drones) |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:38:00 -
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Asbuster2 wrote:Right so ive been told that a Raven is supposed to have more DPS than a Rokh. Right now my Rokh has 347 DPS with 425mm Prototype Gaus Cannons x8. However if i look at my Raven, even with tech 2 Cruise Missile Launchers it only has 267 DPS!
Well there's your problem.
A Raven does indeed have more DPS than a Rokh... IF it's a torp Raven versus a blaster Rokh. A torp raven is one of the few ships which can make it over the 1,000DPS bar without having to splash for faction mods.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:39:00 -
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Don't forget that using Cruise launchers gets you that smexy +100km fuckshitup zone.
EDIT: Is **** no longer censored?
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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:39:00 -
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BeforetheStorm90 wrote:What program are you using to get your DPS info? 347 DPS on a BS is......well.....laughable. For example, I can setup a Vexor to get 464 DPS. So maybe you just want to fly that? lol
It's a mission bird. Shield tanked with a couple of BCS in lows, no faction or specialized ammo. Quite common on Ravens. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:50:00 -
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File -> Preferences -> Include reload time in DPS.
With reload factored in, DPS is 579. Without reload time, DPS is 611. (Skills at V, no drones.)
Dammit, if CCP hadn't nerfed the Comet's blinking light, I could now be flying around in Jita in my "Whaaaaaambulance!"
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Jhoria Englside
Hedron Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:54:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Don't forget that using Cruise launchers gets you that smexy +100km fuckshitup zone.
EDIT: Is **** no longer censored?
more like 100km tickle zone. cruise suck |
Kiandoshia
Gnampf Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:54:00 -
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Asbuster2 wrote:Just checked EFT... if i put tech 2 ammo in the missile launchers i get 574ish DPS... which will be more than my Rokh but still not the 600+DPS it should have.
The problem is, you are not plugging in the effects of 5% implants for missiles, nor are you using Estamel BCS >_> Also, make sure you use 3 T2 damage rigs and faction drones.
EFT is great. |
Jed Mosley
Aideron Robotics
Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:01:00 -
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A few things you want to keep in mind for Battleclinic fits
1. They are always using lvl 5 skills, unless otherwise stated
2. Expect the fit to be incorporating implants that either make the fit actually fit or give some more dandy dps
3. Implants are dandy, look into them
4. Ravens suck
5.Ok last one was a joke, but seriously drones add a bunch of dps.
If you are actually considering a raven then i recommend that fit, but if you are actually getting some 270dps from it then youre doing it wrong, train more missile support skills, train the cruise missile spec skill to 4 and then we will talk also battleship 4 will help a buttload.
Drone interfacing 4 and t2 drones if you havent already.
Just saying.
oh yeah and this ofcourse
Rokh fitting
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Asbuster2
EnC Heavy Industries
The EnC Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.02 09:02:00 -
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Yeha right now my Raven is all set to go.. took it out on a level 4 mission and guess what? It didnt do crap for damage with tech 2 fury missiles! It has better DPS than my Rokh now but it has problems killing BCs even.... Ended up getting my Rokh to do the mission.
Im thinking perhaps EVE-Survival gave me the wrong damage type for my missiles or perhaps my missile skills still arent high enough... either way im gonna try it again to see if it was any of that.
@Stitcher ... I didnt know Torps on the Raven could get it such high DPS. However in this case its a Tech 2 Cruise Missile Launcher Raven vs a Tech 1 meta level 4 Railgun Rokh. I personally prefer my Rokh this way and its been good to me so far. |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
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Posted - 2012.04.02 09:29:00 -
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Rokh needs to have it's Shield Resistance bonus swapped for a Hybrid Damage bonus.
CCP has kind of hinted at this in a devblog. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.02 09:36:00 -
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Sunviking wrote:Rokh needs to have it's Shield Resistance bonus swapped for a Hybrid Damage bonus.
CCP has kind of hinted at this in a devblog.
Suuuure ... range and damage. And then let's put some tracking in the mix, while we are at it. |
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