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Johann Callasan	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Zelazowa Wola Thanks everyone for the informative responses. The basic gist seems to be train those skills and get a Catalyst. I'm going to try my damnedest to avoid PVP for sometime. I don't think I'll be that lucky again. You're right there, you won't EVER be that lucky again. Just one thing though - if I was in your position, I WOULDN'T invest in those skill books right away. Since you don't really know what path you're going to be following in EvE yet, vuying the advanced before you get throught he basics is a Bad Idea, ESPECIALLY since the learning skills don't pay off short-term AT ALL. It's been said that to see the full benefit of the learning skills will take a year and a half of gameplay - and really you don't know that you're going to be with us that long just yet. For your own knowledge: Attributes ONLY affect training time in this game, nothing else. The Learning sills enhance your attributes. Attributes are initially decided when you create the character. Attributes can be raised by a maximum of 17 per character (+5 basic attribute skill, +5 advanced attribute skill, +5 implant, +2 from learning level 5, which adds 2% per level to all attributes- at level V it's 10%). There is both a PRIMARY and a SECONDARY attribute for every skill in the game; how many points you get PER MINUTE is your (Primary Attribute + (Secondary Attribute/2)). Support skills usually use Intelligence primary and memory secondary. Ship flying and Gunnery skills use Perception primary and Willpower secondary. Social skills use Charisma primary and Willpoer secondary (IIRC on the secondary). Bear in mind that time training the Learning skills is time you can't train anything that will actually have use int he game, like ship support, gunnery, or tanking skills. If I was you, I'd get my ship support skills up to snuff, then my Gunnery/tanking skills to where I can run level 1s without too much issue, THEN worry about the learning skills. That way, while they train you can actualy be pewpewing the rats and doing things, rather than sitting in station (sitting in station = boring), or worse, getting owned by the rats because your skills aren't there yet. Quote: I'll be sure to go over the links you all posted and re-read all of your posts when I get some time. Farina: I'll probably take you up on that. Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 06/10/2008 12:54:51 Bullcarp removed Explanation of circumstances to clue in bullcarp-spewer removed The reasons why you left the corp are your own; don't listen to those people that would have you stay in a bad situation over some dumb reason - a 1-day-old character in a corp that provokes wardecs is REALLY in the wrong corp. You did what you needed to do - got out of the bad situation so you could continue on. AS mentioned earlier, IMHO you need to concentrate more about getting yourself and your skills up to snuff - when Level 1s become trivial for you is a sign that you're getting to where you should be :) The BIGGEST thing you should be in for level 1 missions is a destroyer (dessie). Only issue is, a dessie'll teach you bad habits for PvE, as with good skills and good fittings you don't have to move at all - warp in, target enemies, and start popping. Not goods tactics, thoose. I'd stay in frigates until you can do "Worlds Collide" without a single warpout.
Eshezo Old Buggers	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:24:00 - [32] Cool well, a good expirence with the Corp really because it gave you an insite to the war side.....so your question waht to do with 18m:- 1/ as you get further into EVE you will find that 18mil is'nt alot of isk but as a new pilot it certainly is and you should spend it carefully. 2/ Don;t go jumping into a shiny new ship because you can afford it (I think someone else said this) because many pilots make the mistake of thinking if they can afford soething then they have the skill to use it WRONG, SO WRONG there is much to learn in cheap ships and the great advantage is that you can afford to loose them, you would feel sick if you spent the isk on a shiny ship and lost it in another 2 days !! 3/ Try and look to invest it in something that will give you a return on your isk, ie at your stage get a few basic mining skills up and spend the isk on some good mining equipment so you can get more isk. 4/ fly safe. good luck. rgds
Johann Callasan	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:38:00 - [33] Just as a end note - The "Support Skills" I mentioned are those skills that maximize some attribute of your ship - get them trained high, any ship you fly gets that much better. As to what they are... Engineering Electronics Mechanic Energy Systems Operation Energy Management Shield Systems Operation Shield Managemwent Hull Upgrades Repair Systems Navigation Afterburner Evasive Maneuvering High Speed maneuvering That list of skills will maximize your powergrid, CPU, cap regen and size, shield regen and size, armor, hull, ship speed, maneuverability, unlocks both afterburners and MicroWarpDrives (MWDs), and maximizes the amount of repair done by both armor and hiull reppers. In Gunnery, Small Hybrid Turret unlocks hybrids for your use (you should have this right out of char creation - at anywhere from between level 3-5). Training it to 5 and training the specialty skills unlocks T2 weapons, which can use specialty or "faction" ammo for more damage/greater range. T1 weapons can never use faction ammo, be aware. Same goes for the other grades of weapons - base skill unlocks T1 and increases damage per level, specialties also increase damage and unlock t2. Other skills will come up as you come across them - just train as needed, bearing in mond that to start being effective most skills needs to be at level 3 generally - so don't just train level 1 and think that's it. Only exception I've ever come across is Anchoring :) As Gallente, you want drone skills as well - same things apply. Drone support skills are Drone navigation, Drone Durability, Drone Sharpshooting, Scout Drone operation, and Drone Interfacing. Again, specialty skills unlock t2 drones - you want the ECM Drone skill though, as instead of increasing damage it increases control range - always a Good Thing, even if you never use ECM drones. Anyway, hope this infodump helps ya
Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:08:00 - [34] reading the op's post im tempted to log on and transfer 100mill to him ^^
Amuko Amarr Disturbance Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Jacob Mei Rather surprised to see a merc corp showing compassion, hope for humanity that plays EVE afterall. You'd be surprised how many ebil pirates/mercs/random pvpers are actually cool guys, that, even if they did blow you up, as long as you're polite, they'll be polite and helpful back.
Landrassa Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company	Posted - 2008.10.06 19:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Amuko Originally by: Jacob Mei Rather surprised to see a merc corp showing compassion, hope for humanity that plays EVE afterall. You'd be surprised how many ebil pirates/mercs/random pvpers are actually cool guys, that, even if they did blow you up, as long as you're polite, they'll be polite and helpful back. Kinda goes along with the whole "smack me and i'll dec you", doesn't it? Although hypocricy is far from uncommon, lots of folks in EVE reward politeness and respect just like they brutally punish the opposite.
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.10.06 19:27:00 - [37] buy a gazllion shuttles!
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides	Posted - 2008.10.06 19:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Johann Callasan T1 weapons can never use faction ammo, be aware. WRONG. Don't take advice from idiots. T1 weapons can use faction ammo. The quoted poster was probably thinking about tech 2 ammo, which can only be used in tech 2 weapons.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.06 19:35:00 - [39] Originally by: Wet Ferret Learning skills are the worst possible thing to tell a new player to do. Actually, no, they aren't. Look, I know what you mean, The min-max moops who tell everyone in noob corps to "dock up for two months and AFK train 5+5" should be banned tbh. But really learnng skills for someone who's planning to be in the game for more than a few months are just a good idea. I usually advise new players to spend no more than 50% of their time training learnings until they have 4+4. By then they'll know whether they're in it for the long haul or not, and can make their own calculations.
Magus Nebula Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.10.07 22:25:00 - [40] Most merc corps wouldnt do that. But we felt pretty bad seeing as we held you there for like 25 minutes. and its sad that there we're at least 8 people in the surrounding area from your corp who wouldnt take on the 1 guy at the time ( near the end it of it we had 3 ships). We aren't complete arsehats (i am most of the time), the whole time you didnt say one disrespectfull thing at all. besides we we're feeling good after stealing your corps Shadow Large Control Tower and making a quick 850mil (ironicly the CEO was trying to steal everything from the corp at the time including the POS). So enjoy the 18mil and we hope to fight you later down the road, when 18mil looks like childs play to you, SALUTE o7!
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 22:31:00 - [41] Save the ISK, buy some skillbooks (learning!) and some more cheap, insured frigates. Having a nice cushion is the best feeling when your ship pops. You might consider joining EVE University, or check out the recruitment forum, have some discussions with other corps until you find one you get along with/want to hang out with. And good on REPO for cutting you some slack- classy move. :) Corp and Personal killboard
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.10.07 22:39:00 - [42] has anyone recomended joining the merc corp? they seem like nice guys :)
Grahv Exitus Minmatar Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.10.07 23:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Funk Babba Originally by: Zelazowa Wola Then they deposited 18mil into my wallet... Omg noob mercs! Ask and ye shall receive. Zelazowa, look for an evemail when you log on. If you're interested in what it says you can start a convo with me or send me a reply in game or here. Fly safe and Phail hard
Roale Tharan Gallente RED SUN RISING	Posted - 2008.10.08 00:17:00 - [44] Ironic the first 3 rules ur ex-corp enforces are: 1. Be respectful to other members and players on EVE. 2. No smacktalk or piracy is allowed towards other players as it tends to lead to war decs. 3. If your being offensive and someone asks you to stop please do. Still, you will find a lot of pirates/mercs/griefers are really nice people. Take Sniperwolf18 (You will see him eventually in Gallante space), we got in to a wardec with him and his corp over 3 antimatter (long story) and at the end of it, he was more than willing to give us feedback on how it went. What we need to do to improve etc. Enjoy your ISK and remember my words of wisdom "Enjoy Eve and have fun". P.s If your planning on a long Eve stay and ever need help with anything (Missions etc) drop my ingame name an evemail and ill see if i can help. "Once got caught reading a bill board in 0.3 space"
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.10.08 02:35:00 - [45] I say the best thing so far is that you didn't come on the forums whining about how they're a bunch of greifers with no life and how could they shoot a 2 day old player who was still learning the game blah blah blah pants. Welcome to EvE. --------- Friggin signature size limit. The Eve professions list
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.10.08 02:35:00 - [46] Edited by: Verx Interis on 08/10/2008 02:35:27 woohoo double post. --------- Friggin signature size limit. The Eve professions list
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.08 02:52:00 - [47] It's blindingly obvious: GO JOIN THE MERC CORP. Money comes and goes but a chance to join a quality corp that KNOWS PVP this early in the game is a rare chance. Take it, and do as others suggested with the money. A vexor will do you better than any destroyer though. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.08 03:05:00 - [48] Originally by: Kendar reading the op's post im tempted to log on and transfer 100mill to him ^^ Lol, this reminds me about Innominate Nightmare and his misadventures in 0.0.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.10.08 03:20:00 - [49] Originally by: Zelazowa Wola Any advice is greatly appreciated. I don't want to blow all this ISK without being smart about it. Join the merc corp who showed you mercy and using thier advice you can then fit out a decent insured pvp ship to gang up with your new friends then go blow up your mouthy ex-ceo. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Luxtia	Posted - 2008.10.08 05:25:00 - [50] join the merc corp and learn to fight
Magus Nebula Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.10.08 06:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Luxtia join the merc corp and learn to fight Yea even though it was nice n all for us to give him munny, he doesnt have enough SP to sign up, though maybe down the road.
Magus Nebula Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.10.08 06:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Roale Tharan Ironic the first 3 rules ur ex-corp enforces are: 1. Be respectful to other members and players on EVE. 2. No smacktalk or piracy is allowed towards other players as it tends to lead to war decs. 3. If your being offensive and someone asks you to stop please do. ironic this is what i got from thier CEO Sakura Kishimo "GOOD LUCK RANSOMING THE CORP SUCKERS SINCE I NOW HAVE ALL THE ISK/CORP STUFF WAS NICE MESSING WITH YOUR DUMB BUTTS LOLS POP SMOKE SUCKERS" Oh the irony.
Darrk Helmet	Posted - 2008.10.08 07:44:00 - [53] ha this story reminds me of a time we did a bit of pirating. Were not pirates but we were passing through low sec in a big gang and saw someone in a belt ratting in a moa, we decided to kill him because we were bored. Turns out he was new and We all felt so guilty we all sent him a couple of mil each. think he ended up with about 30 mil, plus his ship insurance. We havent done it since :D
shak're	Posted - 2008.10.08 08:31:00 - [54] Spend the money on skills mate. Just buy skills that you feel will help you in a general way, like CPU and powergrid skills, shield and tanking. Skills that are used for all kinds of play in eve, and not a races ship skill. Once a skill is trained, and as long as you keep your clone up to date, you are never gonna loose money on buying skills...
Bremen Saki GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.08 09:11:00 - [55] Originally by: Magus Nebula Originally by: Luxtia join the merc corp and learn to fight Yea even though it was nice n all for us to give him munny, he doesnt have enough SP to sign up, though maybe down the road. Oh, c'mon, how many SP can it possibly take to gank our noobs in Jita?
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.08 09:56:00 - [56] Originally by: Zelazowa Wola Someone from the merc corp had found me (how exactly is still beyond my scope of knowledge) and wanted 100mil to let me live. I laughed. Either luck or locator agents Any advice I was going to give has already been said...some of it more than once, so I just thought I'd say: Originally by: Zelazowa Wola I had remembered reading about a log-off tactic, but I decided against that route and chose to die with honor even though all my fancy new fittings were going with me. Good man -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Ore 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:36:00 - [57] Welcome to Eve Online. Fun isn't it. 18mil is a lot right now to you, but it isn't that much in terms of the grand scale of the game. For a beginnner its a very precious break you have been given and well done for getting it. Like everyone has said, don't blow it all at once. In eve, whatever money you have tends to scale. The more you have, the more that is spent, but the % for loss remain the same. Losing 15mil to you will be like losing 300mil to me, and its very easily done by accident, getting shot down and podded. Firstly, join the merc corp. They will teach you how to PVP well and how to setup ships well. Plus you have the security of having friends who can help you out if you get attacked on your own. Secondly, start grinding those lvl 1's and then get into lvl 2's. Whatever race you are, pick the most effective frigate (usually the most expensive) Punisher, Rifter, Kestrel or Merlin etc depending on the race. Learn how to use that ship really well for missions and stuff. Missioning really does get you the most money in eve, and you can loot rats and sell salvage aswell. I know its carebear, but once you get to lvl 4 missions and play lots you can pull in at least 60mil a day...with it going up to 200mil or so if you are really dedicated. This will pay for all the PVP fun you can have. As a rule, lvl 1's use frigates and destroyers. Lvl 2's use destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers. Lvl 3's Battlecuisers, Battleships. Lvl 4's Battleships, Command ships. Just remember that you need the skills as well as the ship, so you can't just jump in a battleship once you can fly it and do a level 4. You will die. Then move onto using a destroyer, which is basically just a big heavy frigate like a battlecruiser is a big cruiser. Don't worry about getting in a cruiser yet. As a general rule for a newbie I'd suggest this skill wise. (Remember we are just training so you can be good at frigates etc, nothing expensive) Learning skills, Gunnery/Missile Skills, navigation, Engineering/Mechanic Skills for tanking damage. This isn't very detailed, but there are so many guides on the forums and stuff you should have no problem. Oh and if you do have to pvp, use a frigate not a destroyer. They are cheaper and a bit more useful. NEVER FLY ANYTHING YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE. Generally, if you want to experience many aspects of eve you have a number of ships. 1. is your mission ship, never to be used for PVP. This is setup to do missions. It will almost always be your most expensive ship, just ask all those people who fly Navy Issue Ravens and Marauders. 2. PVP ship. Something cheap and hard hitting. as a beginner it will be a tackler or something like that. I suggest making it very cheap so if you lose it, it really won't matter and you won't blink. Even people who are VERY rich in eve often fly just really pimped out Cruisers and advanced frigates like interceptors. 3. An industrial ship, to haul stuff around. 4. A mining ship for when you need mins and want to mine. Just remember that if you are killed and lose lots of money, don't worry. EVE is a game that takes time. As you get more skills and become better at the game, money floods back. It can make you feel ill, but honestly put it all to the back of your mind and just keep playing. Always try and fly smart and safe until you can afford to be more reckless. GOOD LUCK!
Illwill Bill Minmatar Scandinavian Carebears AB	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:43:00 - [58] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Welcome to Eve Online. Fun isn't it. 18mil is a lot right now to you, but it isn't that much in terms of the grand scale of the game. For a beginnner its a very precious break you have been given and well done for getting it. Like everyone has said, don't blow it all at once. In eve, whatever money you have tends to scale. The more you have, the more that is spent, but the % for loss remain the same. Losing 15mil to you will be like losing 300mil to me, and its very easily done by accident, getting shot down and podded. Firstly, join the merc corp. They will teach you how to PVP well and how to setup ships well. Plus you have the security of having friends who can help you out if you get attacked on your own. Secondly, start grinding those lvl 1's and then get into lvl 2's. Whatever race you are, pick the most effective frigate (usually the most expensive) Punisher, Rifter, Kestrel or Merlin etc depending on the race. Learn how to use that ship really well for missions and stuff. Missioning really does get you the most money in eve, and you can loot rats and sell salvage aswell. I know its carebear, but once you get to lvl 4 missions and play lots you can pull in at least 60mil a day...with it going up to 200mil or so if you are really dedicated. This will pay for all the PVP fun you can have. As a rule, lvl 1's use frigates and destroyers. Lvl 2's use destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers. Lvl 3's Battlecuisers, Battleships. Lvl 4's Battleships, Command ships. Just remember that you need the skills as well as the ship, so you can't just jump in a battleship once you can fly it and do a level 4. You will die. Then move onto using a destroyer, which is basically just a big heavy frigate like a battlecruiser is a big cruiser. Don't worry about getting in a cruiser yet. As a general rule for a newbie I'd suggest this skill wise. (Remember we are just training so you can be good at frigates etc, nothing expensive) Learning skills, Gunnery/Missile Skills, navigation, Engineering/Mechanic Skills for tanking damage. This isn't very detailed, but there are so many guides on the forums and stuff you should have no problem. Oh and if you do have to pvp, use a frigate not a destroyer. They are cheaper and a bit more useful. NEVER FLY ANYTHING YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE. Generally, if you want to experience many aspects of eve you have a number of ships. 1. is your mission ship, never to be used for PVP. This is setup to do missions. It will almost always be your most expensive ship, just ask all those people who fly Navy Issue Ravens and Marauders. 2. PVP ship. Something cheap and hard hitting. as a beginner it will be a tackler or something like that. I suggest making it very cheap so if you lose it, it really won't matter and you won't blink. Even people who are VERY rich in eve often fly just really pimped out Cruisers and advanced frigates like interceptors. 3. An industrial ship, to haul stuff around. 4. A mining ship for when you need mins and want to mine. Just remember that if you are killed and lose lots of money, don't worry. EVE is a game that takes time. As you get more skills and become better at the game, money floods back. It can make you feel ill, but honestly put it all to the back of your mind and just keep playing. Always try and fly smart and safe until you can afford to be more reckless. GOOD LUCK! This post contains a well-written and informative response to the original poster's query, and further debate is unneccesary.
Doctor Remulak	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:23:00 - [59] I'd suggest taking 10m of that money and get into some trading. You can do something simple but profitable like buying skillbooks Empire and flying them out to lowsec in a shuttle for sale. Same can be done with implants. In a shuttle you will be relatively (but not completely) safe from destruction anywhere but 0.0. Just scout out the route first and see what prices are, what items are needed, what kind of traffic there is (you dont want to put something up for sale and it will take 3 months to sell it). If you do your homework, you can parlay that 10m into much more.
Solasta Kovacs Total Mayhem. Send More Paramedics	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:10:00 - [60] Id take extreme care over trading skillbooks in a shuttle. 1- you wont necessariyl know whats going to seel well and where- and 2- all it takes is one Smartbombing asshat near a gate and your shuttle is toast.

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