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Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.10.29 06:56:00 - [31] Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/10/2008 13:01:42 I'm most in favour of giving the Pilgrim extra cap / armour / fittings really. Giving it range bonuses (and therefore making it a cloaking curse) is just bad tbh. Well no one seems to think a cloaking rook, lachesis and huginn is a bad/imbalanced idea. How funny that everyone seems to think that when it comes to amarr ships. cloaking rook = falcon and have you been on the forums at all nobody cares about the arazu because apparently both gallente recons are trash and nobody complains about the rapier because it actually has to commit to a fight (it has no way of keeping itself from being locked and fired upon) __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Tefkros The Dead Pod Society Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.29 07:14:00 - [32] Edited by: Tefkros on 29/10/2008 07:14:55 EvE-O forum logic : If something can avoid being webbed and can disengage at will, it¦s a nanonoob***goship and must be nerfed. If something must fight in web range, then it sucks and must be fixed. (Deimos, anynone?) Make up your damn minds. Wah wah complain that Pilgrim kills only cruises and noobs, but the Rapier that webs from 40km away, the Arazu that scrams, the Falcon that jams, can kill WHAT EXACTLY? PS. I fly both Rapiers and Pilgrims
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2008.10.29 09:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/10/2008 13:01:42 I'm most in favour of giving the Pilgrim extra cap / armour / fittings really. Giving it range bonuses (and therefore making it a cloaking curse) is just bad tbh. Well no one seems to think a cloaking rook, lachesis and huginn is a bad/imbalanced idea. How funny that everyone seems to think that when it comes to amarr ships. cloaking rook = falcon and have you been on the forums at all nobody cares about the arazu because apparently both gallente recons are trash and nobody complains about the rapier because it actually has to commit to a fight (it has no way of keeping itself from being locked and fired upon) Rapier commit? What exactly can't a rapier escape from with its dual webs? Rapier is the very definition of not commiting to fights.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.10.29 09:59:00 - [34] Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/10/2008 13:01:42 I'm most in favour of giving the Pilgrim extra cap / armour / fittings really. Giving it range bonuses (and therefore making it a cloaking curse) is just bad tbh. Well no one seems to think a cloaking rook, lachesis and huginn is a bad/imbalanced idea. How funny that everyone seems to think that when it comes to amarr ships. cloaking rook = falcon and have you been on the forums at all nobody cares about the arazu because apparently both gallente recons are trash and nobody complains about the rapier because it actually has to commit to a fight (it has no way of keeping itself from being locked and fired upon) Rapier commit? What exactly can't a rapier escape from with its dual webs? Rapier is the very definition of not commiting to fights. Well, at least you can lock and shoot a rapier, and if it can point you you can point it too. It's definitely the recon ship I least mind seeing if I'm not in a nanoship, but then again if I'm not in a nanoship I'm probably in a pulse boat at which point I can shoot it anyway :P __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Plave Okice Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.10.29 10:06:00 - [35] I'd be happy to see the Pilgrims stats boosted a little but god don't take away it's neut bonus and it has no need of a range bonus. Having been playing on sisi with the Pilgrim quite a lot I'm more than happy with how it will fare post patch, it's one of the few ships in Eve with a quite unique role and making it a cloaking curse would be a waste and would destroy the usefulness of the Curse. I wouldn't complain about some more cap and armour of course but rather than change the ship, change the way you fly it, it's an awesome solo boat.
Serafina Palacios Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Plave Okice I'd be happy to see the Pilgrims stats boosted a little but god don't take away it's neut bonus and it has no need of a range bonus. Having been playing on sisi with the Pilgrim quite a lot I'm more than happy with how it will fare post patch, it's one of the few ships in Eve with a quite unique role and making it a cloaking curse would be a waste and would destroy the usefulness of the Curse. I wouldn't complain about some more cap and armour of course but rather than change the ship, change the way you fly it, it's an awesome solo boat. /agree. I like the pilgrim there is no other force recon that gives a greater O **** reaction when it decloaks beside you. (falcon can't kill anything and somehow they don't scare me) but a bit cap! would surely help and some armour to as the only way to survive is with a armour tank but a bit more buffer wouldn't hurt. but still it is the only force recon who i see killing turret based bs. -----SIG----- Serafina Palacios former Major in the Republic cadre. now wanted for treason, teft of carde ships and documents and murder of cadre personnel.
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.29 12:14:00 - [37] I dont want a range bonus; a bit more armour hp or resist and having its cap back would be nice. Remember this is a cap warfare ship, yet it sucks with cap, mainly because of neuts.
Johann Jeneau Gallente Cricas Portuguese Korp	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Depp Knight I dont want a range bonus; a bit more armour hp or resist and having its cap back would be nice. Remember this is a cap warfare ship, yet it sucks with cap, mainly because of neuts. This. More Armour HP/Resist, more cap and more pg/cpu, at least cpu, i want to fit a recon probe launcher with recon lv.5 without having to fit faction mods or/and cpu implants, or a stupid fit please I like my steaks bloody as hell
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:10:00 - [39] wow 2nd page and i made it in before a dumb merin "pilgrim's role as a cov ops hauler is just fine" post! ...although i guess blockade runners have that role taken now, don't they...
Bunny Trader	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:56:00 - [40] Originally by: Johnny Ringo Wouldn't it be more consistent, and make the Pilgrim more useable, if the neut amount bonus on the Pilgrim were replaced with a neut range bonus? Go and die in a fire (in game). The last thing the Pilgrim needs is its ammount bonus nerfed. I'd much rather nerf the TD bonus than the ammount bonus, because in the end, all you get for sacrificing the ammount bonus is a Sentinel with a cloak, or a BS with a Large Neut and a cloak.
Bazman Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.10.29 17:07:00 - [41] When the speed changes come through, you will find that the Pilgrim becomes one of the better cloaked gankers in the game. All it needs is oppertunity which will be more plentiful come the speed change :P -----
Lili Lu Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships	Posted - 2008.10.29 17:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Terianna Eri @ susceptability to missile boats: Uh... the pilgrim will always be vulnerable to missile boats imho. It's a capless, tracking-independent weapon system with good range and high alpha to shoot drones - the kind of thing that will give a pilgrim trouble unless you drastically change the way the ship works. In return, you get to fit 2x TD and lol hard at any single person with guns who deigns to try to hit you. Yeah, you Amarr just take the missiles at close range up the ars . . . And while doing that you can laugh hard at any single turret ship because we know that only Caldari should have extreme range and ew that that can remove multiple ships of all types from a fight, and thus be practically invunerable and not have to fly in the thick of a fight like all the other recons.
Updyke Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.29 19:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Plave Okice I wouldn't complain about some more cap and armour of course but rather than change the ship, change the way you fly it, it's an awesome solo boat. ^ this. Pilgrim is a short range boat, iso giving it same range as curse, either boost armour or dps (MOAR DRONE BONII!!!) kthxbye. [PS: Pilgrim is definitely in dire need of a boost. Takes forever to kill anything, which isn't good if you're flying solo and have to gtfo before the victim's friends arrive.]

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