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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:12:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Even in the free play of the sandbox, if one of the children starts hitting the others over the head with his shovel the parent will take him out as punishment.
I think everyone would do well to remember that.
**** that, I start placing bets. |
Azriel Geist
Teraa Matar
White-Lotus
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:13:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote:Azriel Geist wrote:Lost faith in OP after first post.
Grumpy Owly is a smart guy. You really think we should all share the sandbox? Then what would people fight over? This game is based on PvP experience. Not just combat but players trying to out-do other players. It's what eve is about. I've lost faith in the EVE community as a whole because everyone thinks the game should be on even terms for everyone. When the entire concept of the game is just the opposite.
What? I can't hear you over the RAGE. This is pretty much all I read to make my post:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Instructions refer to things like EULA/TOS etc. sorry you can't interpolate the metaphor and have to twist it that I'm not sharing this view. Could have posed a question than assumed also.
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My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
74
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:16:00 -
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Azriel Geist wrote:My Neutral Toon wrote:Azriel Geist wrote:Lost faith in OP after first post.
Grumpy Owly is a smart guy. You really think we should all share the sandbox? Then what would people fight over? This game is based on PvP experience. Not just combat but players trying to out-do other players. It's what eve is about. I've lost faith in the EVE community as a whole because everyone thinks the game should be on even terms for everyone. When the entire concept of the game is just the opposite. What? I can't hear you over the RAGE. This is pretty much all I read to make my post: Grumpy Owly wrote:
Instructions refer to things like EULA/TOS etc. sorry you can't interpolate the metaphor and have to twist it that I'm not sharing this view. Could have posed a question than assumed also.
Rage? What rage? Me and Owl were having a nice conversation about the sandbox, if you read all the posts, and you came in here inserting your useless posts. Not actually contributing anything meaningful or useful to the conversation / thread.
HTFU or GTFO troll.
...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:17:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Aslong as it's in the spirit of playing EvE as per the instructions it wont be an issue.
It's when it spills into sanctimonious excuses and politics where reasons are based on opinions and people feel they have an innaliable right to change the sandbox as a aresult of that to the exclusion of others opinion.
Sandbox in the game I think is pretty good as a result. What we need is to encourage is sharing the sandbox on the forum and curtailing arrogant opinion or insulting derogatory remarks due to a preference. Of course this excludes unreasonable or asshatttery posts, but too much in terms of falacies and selfishness is occuring to the detriment of EvE as opposed to mutual engineering of the sand so that everyone can benefit from the experience.
This kind of philanthropic philosophy will create win/win scenarios as opposed to a meta win you lose process. Fortunatley my experience of CCP in the main is that they are able to "filter" the "gimme gimme" cries out of loop.
Despite that I'm tired of the kneejerk reaction of the masses from singular extreme and suspect examples in relation to gaming complaints.
Doubt it will change of course, but you asked for views. Have to disagree with your assertion that insults and derogatory remarks need to be cut back. Part of waging a war is the psychological blow of defeat and humiliation. In a sandbox war, anything and everything is up for grabs, so long as it stays inside the sandbox. Now, I don't think that anyone should be made to insult others for any reason that they don't want to. But kicking sand in each others faces is what it is all about. The one who kicks harder wins. Funnily enough I prefer adult conversations regarding the ideas as opposed to throwing my toys out the pram when I don't get my way or see something I dont like. Novel concept eh? It could even be considered as socially nuturing, imagine that.  Thing is though, it doesn't have anything to do with "not getting my way" or "seeing something I don't like". It is entirely about psychological warfare. Grinding the enemy down so they don't want to log in. Hmm, ok, tactical warfare, thats a bit too meta for me in certain contexts. As contextually that means that you don't care about the merits of a concept proposed by those individuals and you hold a predjudicial view to it as a result. (Though this understanding is not a major revelation of course to the EvE forum users)
We prefer to leave the intellectual discussion to RL meets. That is why Goons can shoot at PL and Raiden. and grind them down and make them feel like **** in-game, then share beers with them and have a good time at fanfest.
Of course, there are still people who take the grudge outside of the game. As evidenced recently. |
Dragon Outlaw
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:38:00 -
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Not that it bothers me but, just an observation since I started playing this game 3 years ago. It is my feeling that a certain number of Eve players seem to be using the "sandbox" expression "created" by CCP as an excuse that allows them to do whatever they want and use any kind of behaviour they wish. As if it was taken for granted that CCP "thought" in advance that all possible behaviours in the game would be "acceptable" to the majority of players therefore, making every action justifiable and even desirable. |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
74
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:44:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:Not that it bothers me but, just an observation since I started playing this game 3 years ago. It is my feeling that a certain number of Eve players seem to be using the "sandbox" expression "created" by CCP as an excuse that allows them to do whatever they want and use any kind of behaviour they wish. As if it was taken for granted that CCP "thought" in advance that all possible behaviours in the game would be "acceptable" to the majority of players therefore, making every action justifiable and even desirable.
CCP has been developing Eve for 15 years. If they didnt want something in the game, it would be removed. I joined this community almost 5 years ago when I created my main. Its not like anything is new here.
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