Even in the free play of the sandbox, if one of the children starts hitting the others over the head with his shovel the parent will take him out as punishment.

I think everyone would do well to remember that.

If you don't like getting bullied, stay off the playground.

People who try to turn this game soft ARE THE PROBLEM, IMO.

EVE IS HARD, EVE IS CUT THROAT. This is the main thing that makes EVE what it is and sets it apart from all the other all-you-kids-play-nice-and-share type of games

Aslong as it's in the spirit of playing EvE as per the instructions it wont be an issue.

It's when it spills into sanctimonious excuses and politics where reasons are based on opinions and people feel they have an innaliable right to change the sandbox as a aresult of that to the exclusion of others opinion.

Sandbox in the game I think is pretty good as a result. What we need is to encourage is sharing the sandbox on the forum and curtailing arrogant opinion or insulting derogatory remarks due to a preference. Of course this excludes unreasonable or asshatttery posts, but too much in terms of falacies and selfishness is occuring to the detriment of EvE as opposed to mutual engineering of the sand so that everyone can benefit from the experience.

This kind of philanthropic philosophy will create win/win scenarios as opposed to a meta win you lose process. Fortunatley my experience of CCP in the main is that they are able to "filter" the "gimme gimme" cries out of loop.

Despite that I'm tired of the kneejerk reaction of the masses from singular extreme and suspect examples in relation to gaming complaints.

Doubt it will change of course, but you asked for views.

Aslong as it's in the spirit of playing EvE as per the instructions it wont be an issue.

It's when it spills into sanctimonious excuses and politics where reasons are based on opinions and people feel they have an innaliable right to change the sandbox as a aresult of that to the exclusion of others opinion.

Sandbox in the game I think is pretty good as a result. What we need is to encourage is sharing the sandbox on the forum and curtailing arrogant opinion or insulting derogatory remarks due to a preference. Of course this excludes unreasonable or asshatttery posts, but too much in terms of falacies and selfishness is occuring to the detriment of EvE as opposed to mutual engineering of the sand so that everyone can benefit from the experience.

This kind of philanthropic philosophy will create win/win scenarios as opposed to a meta win you lose process. Fortunatley my experience of CCP in the main is that they are able to "filter" the "gimme gimme" cries out of loop.

Despite that I'm tired of the kneejerk reaction of the masses from singular extreme and suspect examples in relation to gaming complaints.

Doubt it will change of course, but you asked for views.

Even in the free play of the sandbox, if one of the children starts hitting the others over the head with his shovel the parent will take him out as punishment.

I think everyone would do well to remember that.

I was unaware EVE came with instructions....


IMO, the sandbox means do what you want. If that means cooperation for you, then that's cool. If that means ganking for someone else, that's cool too. If CCP didnt want certain things to happen in game, they remove the ability for them to happen.

EVE is a result of programming. It is not an organic living creature. It is man-made. CCP built it. So if CCP made something possible in the game, then that means they intend for someone to do it.

If CCP thought a certain action in game was bad or should not be done, they would remove the ability for that action to even take place

Instructions refer to things like EULA/TOS etc. sorry you can't interpolate the metaphor and have to twist it that I'm not sharing this view. Could have posed a question than assumed also.

Let me try and be equally destructive to your posting now with supposition: Does this mean you ignore the terms of playing EvE as a result? (Purely rhetorical of course, but also helps to demonstrate part of my previous post where people jump to conclusions to stick the knife in)

Aslong as it's in the spirit of playing EvE as per the instructions it wont be an issue.

It's when it spills into sanctimonious excuses and politics where reasons are based on opinions and people feel they have an innaliable right to change the sandbox as a aresult of that to the exclusion of others opinion.

Sandbox in the game I think is pretty good as a result. What we need is to encourage is sharing the sandbox on the forum and curtailing arrogant opinion or insulting derogatory remarks due to a preference. Of course this excludes unreasonable or asshatttery posts, but too much in terms of falacies and selfishness is occuring to the detriment of EvE as opposed to mutual engineering of the sand so that everyone can benefit from the experience.

This kind of philanthropic philosophy will create win/win scenarios as opposed to a meta win you lose process. Fortunatley my experience of CCP in the main is that they are able to "filter" the "gimme gimme" cries out of loop.

Despite that I'm tired of the kneejerk reaction of the masses from singular extreme and suspect examples in relation to gaming complaints.

Doubt it will change of course, but you asked for views.

I told another mmo we forced a chairman in our game to resign and he got his mind blown when i explained it.

Have to disagree with your assertion that insults and derogatory remarks need to be cut back. Part of waging a war is the psychological blow of defeat and humiliation. In a sandbox war, anything and everything is up for grabs, so long as it stays inside the sandbox.

Now, I don't think that anyone should be made to insult others for any reason that they don't want to. But kicking sand in each others faces is what it is all about. The one who kicks harder wins.

Funnily enough I prefer adult conversations regarding the ideas as opposed to throwing my toys out the pram when I don't get my way or see something I dont like. Novel concept eh?

Yes, that is your opinion. Which you are free to have and practice.

We have ours, which we are free to have and practice.

They have theirs, which they are free to have and practice.

Thus...Sandbox...

Lost faith in OP after first post.

Grumpy Owly is a smart guy.

Thats actually a good point.

But consider this ....

Surely it is better to convince your opponent of an idea so that he can equally support it rather than just deny or invalidate that opinion? As such this ignorance or refusal to accomodate others is also equally an exclusion of sandbox principles.

Just take a second... stop crying. stop bitching, stop trolling... and look around...

No matter your stance on any of the events that have transpired since Fan Fest, this all just proves the theory of the sandbox we all love. The fact that any of this could actually happen at all, and have the impact on the game and the community like it has.

EVE > everything else


/just a thought

It's quite the conundrum isn't it? Because in order to convince your opponent of your opinion, you have to disbelieve his opinion.

It's quite the conundrum isn't it? Because in order to convince your opponent of your opinion, you have to disbelieve his opinion.

GTFO you goon alt no-name pubbie! You cold hearted, evil, tear-harvesting, carebear crybaby!

Funnily enough I prefer adult conversations regarding the ideas as opposed to throwing my toys out the pram when I don't get my way or see something I dont like. Novel concept eh?

It could even be considered as socially nuturing, imagine that.

Thing is though, it doesn't have anything to do with "not getting my way" or "seeing something I don't like". It is entirely about psychological warfare. Grinding the enemy down so they don't want to log in.

GTFO you goon alt no-name pubbie! You cold hearted, evil, tear-harvesting, carebear crybaby!

This sounds an awful lot like calling someone a fascist communist.

Thing is though, it doesn't have anything to do with "not getting my way" or "seeing something I don't like". It is entirely about psychological warfare. Grinding the enemy down so they don't want to log in.

Even in the free play of the sandbox, if one of the children starts hitting the others over the head with his shovel the parent will take him out as punishment.

I think everyone would do well to remember that.

You really think we should all share the sandbox?

Then what would people fight over? This game is based on PvP experience. Not just combat but players trying to out-do other players. It's what eve is about.


I've lost faith in the EVE community as a whole because everyone thinks the game should be on even terms for everyone. When the entire concept of the game is just the opposite.

Instructions refer to things like EULA/TOS etc. sorry you can't interpolate the metaphor and have to twist it that I'm not sharing this view. Could have posed a question than assumed also.

What? I can't hear you over the RAGE. This is pretty much all I read to make my post:

Hmm, ok, tactical warfare, thats a bit too meta for me in certain contexts.

As contextually that means that you don't care about the merits of a concept proposed by those individuals and you hold a predjudicial view to it as a result. (Though this understanding is not a major revelation of course to the EvE forum users)

Not that it bothers me but, just an observation since I started playing this game 3 years ago. It is my feeling that a certain number of Eve players seem to be using the "sandbox" expression "created" by CCP as an excuse that allows them to do whatever they want and use any kind of behaviour they wish. As if it was taken for granted that CCP "thought" in advance that all possible behaviours in the game would be "acceptable" to the majority of players therefore, making every action justifiable and even desirable.